Vapor blasted (matte) is the finish on the collector version of the ATB 5 oz quarters. These are definitely not that.
They are proof-like.
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US Mint Releases Statement on Inconsistent Finishes for America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins
July 27, 2011 By Michael Zielinski
Coin Update contributor Louis Golino recently wrote an article providing the known information on the 2010-P Grand Canyon Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins that some collectors and dealers had received with unusual surface finishes. The US Mint has provided a statement explaining the inconsistencies encountered.
All numismatic versions of the America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Coins are vapor blasted after the coins have been struck. This process involves using water vapor and ceramic media mix and is similar to sandblasting, but water vapor is used instead of compressed air. The process is supposed to provide a uniform, protective finish on each coin.
Some coins have been received by collectors which have a “light finish” or which completely lack the finish on one or both sides of the coin.
The statement from the United States Mint on this situation follows:
From photographs we have received, and reports from coin grading services, it is apparent that several varieties of America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins exist with differing or missing vapor blast finishes. We are looking into the cause of the inconsistency in finishes, examining each step in the post-production process when vapor blasting is applied. We are committed to restoring the consistency for which United States Mint products are known worldwide.
While we have ordered new equipment to execute automated vapor blasting on the America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins, we are currently using the process originally used for our 3-inch medals. That equipment required retro-fitting and readjustment for the process, and has required additional maintenance due to the higher volume and substantially increased wear of this program.
The new equipment will allow us to move from the manual, batch process to more closely integrate the vapor blasting application into the overall production line for the coin.
@Akbeez said: @BackroadJunkie might I suggest editing this threads subject line to question the Kennedy? Most of the Kennedy experts probably don't know about this issue. Would like to get a definitive answer.
I changed the title, but I'm not believing anyone until I get my own sets in my greedy little paws for comparison.
My proof set should arrive at the same time to compare the Sac...
I said I was putting an SLQ in my quarter slot, but I've got a nice 1909 liberty head that will do, I think. Something from a time that going into space was science-fiction...
(I did check to see if I had a 1919 SLQ, but didn't, so I'll use a 110 year old coin instead. Heh.)
BAM! Thanks BJ! I think you will be among questioning!
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@Tetromibi said:
Still looks like the standard uncirculated half to me...same as last few years.
Will let the experts verify though...
I agree. I'm not sure what people are trying to talk themselves into here. As demonstrated by the "W cent", the Mint does know how to promote. Why would they go to the trouble of creating a special process and not indicate it in any way? If nothing else, the listing would indicate a mintage limit if it were a special process or die.
Please note the description of the Kennedy half dollar here exactly matches the description in the rocketship listing. The same description that has sent some of you off into wild speculation.
The Kennedy half dollar in the spaceship is simply a regular old uncirculated D mint coin.
Please note the description of the Kennedy half dollar here exactly matches the description in the rocketship listing. The same description that has sent some of you off into wild speculation.
Don’t ruin our buzz! Wild speculation is what makes it fun!
Please note the description of the Kennedy half dollar here exactly matches the description in the rocketship listing. The same description that has sent some of you off into wild speculation.
Don’t ruin our buzz! Wild speculation is what makes it fun!
Sorry.
What I meant to say is: Clearly that is going to be the key to the Kennedy set with only 50,000 coins minted. I'm going to buy 100 rocketships right now!
Please note the description of the Kennedy half dollar here exactly matches the description in the rocketship listing. The same description that has sent some of you off into wild speculation.
Don’t ruin our buzz! Wild speculation is what makes it fun!
Sorry.
What I meant to say is: Clearly that is going to be the key to the Kennedy set with only 50,000 coins minted. I'm going to buy 100 more rocketships right now!
I got my two sets...they are the same as the 2014 P&D 50th Ann. set. I asked a few pages earlier if all the halves since 2015 exhibit the '1964' relief. I seem to remember they did but I wasn't sure. After checking @hemispherical's link, I answered my own question...the 'circulating' halves since 2015 do have the higher relief, aka '1964'. So, nothing special here. It was fun while it lasted.
@ricko said:
OK..not the AH version... not interested now... Cheers, RickO
Sorry what is AH? I want to be able to tell my 6 year old Grandbaby Izzy she will think it’s a special rare version. Plus it glows in the dark. Tyia
Plus I sort of hurt the spaceship getting the coins out. I will need to get it in the shop for my tech’s . Or maybe some scotch tape will get the fix done!
Well that's a booner-buster. Had no idea that high relief's have been struck since 2014. I don't have any recent Kennedy's other than the enhanced and reverse proofs to compare. These are very nice PL strikes at any rate!
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I got an email on March 1 stating that a Fed Ex label had been printed for shipping my two units but the package is not yet in transit. Anyone else still waiting?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
I got an email on March 1 stating that a Fed Ex label had been printed for shipping my two units but the package is not yet in transit. Anyone else still waiting?
Yes. What I know is that if it orginates from the Olive Branch, MS site it take almost a week longer than if it comes out of the Memphis, TN site.
@grote15 said:
I got an email on March 1 stating that a Fed Ex label had been printed for shipping my two units but the package is not yet in transit. Anyone else still waiting?
Yes. What I know is that if it orginates from the Olive Branch, MS site it take almost a week longer than if it comes out of the Memphis, TN site.
Thanks for your response! The label says the package is originating from Memphis, TN.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
I got an email on March 1 stating that a Fed Ex label had been printed for shipping my two units but the package is not yet in transit. Anyone else still waiting?
Yes. What I know is that if it orginates from the Olive Branch, MS site it take almost a week longer than if it comes out of the Memphis, TN site.
Thanks for your response! The label says the package is originating from Memphis, TN.
Mine has been on the road for over a week now from Olive Branch and not projected for delivery until next week. Seems like it is stopping at every mini-hub along the way.
You will probably get yours from Memphis before I get mine.
@spotthedog said:
Shouldn't these 50 cent pieces qualify for "first strikes" designation from pcgs, and be the only ones that qualify for it?
Yes and not sure, but doubt it. Guessing the first strike timer will start when they release the rolls/bags or unc sets (too lazy to look to see which comes first).
Pcgs should be able to clarify for sure one way or the other.
@spotthedog said:
Shouldn't these 50 cent pieces qualify for "first strikes" designation from pcgs, and be the only ones that qualify for it?
Yes and not sure, but doubt it. Guessing the first strike timer will start when they release the rolls/bags or unc sets (too lazy to look to see which comes first).
Pcgs should be able to clarify for sure one way or the other.
That is a very good question, but the first 50C Kennedy came out on 3 Jan 19 with the 2019 Birth set, and is recogized for FS (for the set).
IMO. FS is based upon the “sets” the Mint produces. Which makes sense, if any company limits FS for the very first coin of the year then all coins (1C, 5C, 10C, 25C, 50C) in the Birth set is FS and nothing else... no more revenue stream.
What IS the very first issue/release of a coin is the $1 PF Sac. Issue date of 28 Feb 19. The 2019 PF set was 1 Mar 19.
IMO. This is probably why ATC wants the rocketship in the Mint shipping packaging for their rocketship designation.
Pcgs should be able to clarify for sure one way or the other.
That is a very good question, but the first 50C Kennedy came out on 3 Jan 19 with the 2019 Birth set, and is recogized for FS (for the set).
IMO. FS is based upon the “sets” the Mint produces. Which makes sense, if any company limits FS for the very first coin of the year then all coins (1C, 5C, 10C, 25C, 50C) in the Birth set is FS and nothing else... no more revenue stream.
What IS the very first issue/release of a coin is the $1 PF Sac. Issue date of 28 Feb 19. The 2019 PF set was 1 Mar 19.
IMO. This is probably why ATC wants the rocketship in the Mint shipping packaging for their rocketship designation.
Collecting labels may be the most expensive part of the hobby...with the lowest chance of long term return
So true! But it is a diversion and keeps the “hobby” chugging along. Someone has to make profit. Either in $$ or personal satisfaction.
I have NO PROBLEM with label collectors as long as they are realistic about what they are doing. I feel the same about mail order fancy packages and the like.
I also believe people should EXPECT to lose money on the hobby.
I think the only trouble arises when expectations are not met.
So true! But it is a diversion and keeps the “hobby” chugging along. Someone has to make profit. Either in $$ or personal satisfaction.
I have NO PROBLEM with label collectors as long as they are realistic about what they are doing. I feel the same about mail order fancy packages and the like.
I also believe people should EXPECT to lose money on the hobby.
I think the only trouble arises when expectations are not met.
I don’t disagree. Just having fun collecting medal “disks” with designs; and with or without a rectangular mylar dressing.
My preference is the “yellow” ones with an atomic weight of 196.966570.
@jclovescoins said:
Neat looking set and for $10 limited downside methinks
Agree. This set will make for instant last minute gifts for this year. I got a few extras and have plans for my brother and sister in-laws as gag type gifts (they are non-collectors so they will not notice the switch outs, either).
Of course my primary goal is a gift for the grandkid and niece.
@Hemispherical said:
I got a few extras and have plans for my brother and sister in-laws as gag type gifts (they are non-collectors so they will not notice the switch outs, either).
When it comes to the switch out let me know how you did it. I had to bend the cardboard to pop the plastic insert. Of course it does not look the same now.
@Hemispherical said:
I got a few extras and have plans for my brother and sister in-laws as gag type gifts (they are non-collectors so they will not notice the switch outs, either).
When it comes to the switch out let me know how you did it. I had to bend the cardboard to pop the plastic insert. Of course it does not look the same now.
Mine should be here on Monday... 11 days wandering through the FEDEX “Smart” system.
Comments
What if the planchets were "vapor blasted", or some procedure like that?
Vapor blasted (matte) is the finish on the collector version of the ATB 5 oz quarters. These are definitely not that.
They are proof-like.
An old article about vapor blasting.
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US Mint Releases Statement on Inconsistent Finishes for America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins
July 27, 2011 By Michael Zielinski
Coin Update contributor Louis Golino recently wrote an article providing the known information on the 2010-P Grand Canyon Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins that some collectors and dealers had received with unusual surface finishes. The US Mint has provided a statement explaining the inconsistencies encountered.
All numismatic versions of the America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Coins are vapor blasted after the coins have been struck. This process involves using water vapor and ceramic media mix and is similar to sandblasting, but water vapor is used instead of compressed air. The process is supposed to provide a uniform, protective finish on each coin.
Some coins have been received by collectors which have a “light finish” or which completely lack the finish on one or both sides of the coin.
The statement from the United States Mint on this situation follows:
From photographs we have received, and reports from coin grading services, it is apparent that several varieties of America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins exist with differing or missing vapor blast finishes. We are looking into the cause of the inconsistency in finishes, examining each step in the post-production process when vapor blasting is applied. We are committed to restoring the consistency for which United States Mint products are known worldwide.
While we have ordered new equipment to execute automated vapor blasting on the America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins, we are currently using the process originally used for our 3-inch medals. That equipment required retro-fitting and readjustment for the process, and has required additional maintenance due to the higher volume and substantially increased wear of this program.
The new equipment will allow us to move from the manual, batch process to more closely integrate the vapor blasting application into the overall production line for the coin.
http://news.coinupdate.com/us-mint-releases-statement-on-inconsistent-finishes-for-america-the-beautiful-five-ounce-silver-uncirculated-coins/
I changed the title, but I'm not believing anyone until I get my own sets in my greedy little paws for comparison.
My proof set should arrive at the same time to compare the Sac...
I said I was putting an SLQ in my quarter slot, but I've got a nice 1909 liberty head that will do, I think. Something from a time that going into space was science-fiction...
(I did check to see if I had a 1919 SLQ, but didn't, so I'll use a 110 year old coin instead. Heh.)
BAM! Thanks BJ! I think you will be among questioning!
Still looks like the standard uncirculated half to me...same as last few years.
Will let the experts verify though...
I agree. I'm not sure what people are trying to talk themselves into here. As demonstrated by the "W cent", the Mint does know how to promote. Why would they go to the trouble of creating a special process and not indicate it in any way? If nothing else, the listing would indicate a mintage limit if it were a special process or die.
https://catalog.usmint.gov/kennedy-2018-half-dollar-200-coin-bag-18KA.html?cgid=kennedy-half-dollars#start=1
Please note the description of the Kennedy half dollar here exactly matches the description in the rocketship listing. The same description that has sent some of you off into wild speculation.
The Kennedy half dollar in the spaceship is simply a regular old uncirculated D mint coin.
US Mint’s John F. Kennedy Half-Dollar Images from 2002 to 2019.
Observations:
-Differences between mints
-Differences in some years
-Someone with better eyes can analyze 👁
https://www.usmint.gov/news/image-library/john-f-kennedy-half-dollar
Don’t ruin our buzz! Wild speculation is what makes it fun!
Sorry.
What I meant to say is: Clearly that is going to be the key to the Kennedy set with only 50,000 coins minted. I'm going to buy 100 rocketships right now!
ftfy
I got my two sets...they are the same as the 2014 P&D 50th Ann. set. I asked a few pages earlier if all the halves since 2015 exhibit the '1964' relief. I seem to remember they did but I wasn't sure. After checking @hemispherical's link, I answered my own question...the 'circulating' halves since 2015 do have the higher relief, aka '1964'. So, nothing special here. It was fun while it lasted.
Hey I just bought 1000 of these! Just kidding but here is a pic of one got mine in today
Here is the other one.
The black background makes the coins “pop”.
Thank you Hemispherical I been working on my picture taking but still have a long way to go.
OK..not the AH version... not interested now...
Cheers, RickO
Sorry what is AH?
I want to be able to tell my 6 year old Grandbaby Izzy she will think it’s a special rare version. Plus it glows in the dark. Tyia
Plus I sort of hurt the spaceship getting the coins out. I will need to get it in the shop for my tech’s . Or maybe some scotch tape will get the fix done!
AH = Accented Hair
Accented hair yep that is a special. I don’t think my Grandbaby will care about that. Thank you.
Well that's a booner-buster.
Had no idea that high relief's have been struck since 2014. I don't have any recent Kennedy's other than the enhanced and reverse proofs to compare. These are very nice PL strikes at any rate!
I got an email on March 1 stating that a Fed Ex label had been printed for shipping my two units but the package is not yet in transit. Anyone else still waiting?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Yes. What I know is that if it orginates from the Olive Branch, MS site it take almost a week longer than if it comes out of the Memphis, TN site.
Thanks for your response! The label says the package is originating from Memphis, TN.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Mine has been on the road for over a week now from Olive Branch and not projected for delivery until next week. Seems like it is stopping at every mini-hub along the way.
You will probably get yours from Memphis before I get mine.
Shouldn't these 50 cent pieces qualify for "first strikes" designation from pcgs, and be the only ones that qualify for it?
Yes and not sure, but doubt it. Guessing the first strike timer will start when they release the rolls/bags or unc sets (too lazy to look to see which comes first).
Pcgs should be able to clarify for sure one way or the other.
Hopefully that decision will happen soon.
That is a very good question, but the first 50C Kennedy came out on 3 Jan 19 with the 2019 Birth set, and is recogized for FS (for the set).
IMO. FS is based upon the “sets” the Mint produces. Which makes sense, if any company limits FS for the very first coin of the year then all coins (1C, 5C, 10C, 25C, 50C) in the Birth set is FS and nothing else... no more revenue stream.
What IS the very first issue/release of a coin is the $1 PF Sac. Issue date of 28 Feb 19. The 2019 PF set was 1 Mar 19.
IMO. This is probably why ATC wants the rocketship in the Mint shipping packaging for their rocketship designation.
Collecting labels may be the most expensive part of the hobby...with the lowest chance of long term return
I wonder why no one did comparison photos of the birth set snd the rocketship set?(out of the capsules).
Birthday Halves are Proof, Rocket ones are uncirculated.
Well there you go, a comparison, thanks @Tetromibi I did not check further into it... not to mention I did not get any of those sets.
@jmlanzaf
So true! But it is a diversion and keeps the “hobby” chugging along. Someone has to make profit. Either in $$ or personal satisfaction.
I have NO PROBLEM with label collectors as long as they are realistic about what they are doing. I feel the same about mail order fancy packages and the like.
I also believe people should EXPECT to lose money on the hobby.
I think the only trouble arises when expectations are not met.
I don’t disagree. Just having fun collecting medal “disks” with designs; and with or without a rectangular mylar dressing.
My preference is the “yellow” ones with an atomic weight of 196.966570.
It’s killing me! it takes for ever to get stuff from the mint out west and no I’m not paying expedited shipping noooooooo
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
Then learn to suffer the consequences
That's usually my complaint in Hawaii but I got mine yesterday. Very surprised.
Here are the raw pics of the Kennedy half from the rocketship.
I bought 600 of them
You'll be glad you did. Maybe.
Neat looking set and for $10 limited downside methinks
Is your real name Kim?
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
I fired a few in my time, but never had that happen.
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Agree. This set will make for instant last minute gifts for this year. I got a few extras and have plans for my brother and sister in-laws as gag type gifts (they are non-collectors so they will not notice the switch outs, either).
Of course my primary goal is a gift for the grandkid and niece.
I think that rocket was made in China.
When it comes to the switch out let me know how you did it. I had to bend the cardboard to pop the plastic insert. Of course it does not look the same now.
Mine should be here on Monday... 11 days wandering through the FEDEX “Smart” system.