Any luck finding the 2018 reverse proofs. The folks at the mint can’t stop laughing every time I enquire about it especially a release date 🙀jzyskowski I know this is a sore subject but was hoping those missing 1000 $2 rocket ships might be there 😂
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Any luck finding the 2018 reverse proofs. The folks at the mint can’t stop laughing every time I enquire about it especially a release date 🙀jzyskowski I know this is a sore subject but was hoping those missing 1000 $2 rocket ships might be there 😂
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Any luck finding the 2018 reverse proofs. The folks at the mint can’t stop laughing every time I enquire about it especially a release date 🙀jzyskowski I know this is a sore subject but was hoping those missing 1000 $2 rocket ships might be there 😂
No other details, but we're looking at an August 14 release date.
Since it is a 2018 coin then the longest it can sell for is through the end of the following year of mintage. In this case end of 2019. So there is only 4 1/2 months of sales? Unless some type of exception occurs.
Forgive my ignorance, but I knew nothing about this coin prior to seeing this thread...
That being said, are they going to be issued as part of a proof set of multiple coins...or do they need to be purchased separately...which would be a royal pain from a storage point of view.
@RichR said:
Forgive my ignorance, but I knew nothing about this coin prior to seeing this thread...
Lucky you. It hurts my sensibilities thinking of a 57 brassbuck series minted for collectors only. I guess they need to do something with those dollar presses....
That being said, are they going to be issued as part of a proof set of multiple coins...or do they need to be purchased separately...which would be a royal pain from a storage point of view.
Which are you talking about?
Proofs will come in sets, but the reverse proof coins will be stand alone. (As will both Intro coins.)
So, yep. A full set of reverse proof coins will be like 57 proof sets. It would be nice if they just sold them in capsules...
The intro coin (2018) came out as PRs and in bags and rolls. As of late, there seems to be 2018 reverse PR due to be released in Aug 2019. So that means there will be a little over four months for these to be available if the Mint follows the usually year of coin plus the following year for availability. Won’t know until more info is released by the Mint.
I'm drawing a blank on this, but I know forum members here can provide an answer to this trivia - when was the last time that a Mint coin debuted in a calendar year different from the date on the coin, and the coin was dated the previous year? Seems odd that they just didn't put 2019 dates on these coins.
@ernie11 said:
I'm drawing a blank on this, but I know forum members here can provide an answer to this trivia - when was the last time that a Mint coin debuted in a calendar year different from the date on the coin, and the coin was dated the previous year? Seems odd that they just didn't put 2019 dates on these coins.
It's been a while.
We came close with the 2015 Limited Edition Silver Proof set, which would probably been issued in 2016 due to packaging problems, except the 30th Anniversary ASE laws prevented it. So the entire set was canceled that year.
The reason they didn't put a 2019 date on it, is because the law specifically stated the Intro coin was a 2018 coin. It's the only year that coin could have been issued.
I am hoping for an official explanation on the RP Intro Innobuck. I suspect we'll see something as we get closer to the August release date...
@Hemispherical said:
Prepping for four months of availability of the 2018 RPR AI.
It’ll be weirdly fun!
Where are you getting this info? They're going to sell that puppy until the cows come home.
I'm pretty sure the two year limit was a policy change, and not a law, especially since the Mint is still selling 2017 products on their web site...
Yes, 2017 “regular” coins.
The AI is a “commem.” I’m going to have to read sec 5113, Title 31. Since the AI law was an amended insert.
It's not a commem. 31 U.S. Code § 5112 (which is what I assume you meant) is the specifications For U.S. Coinage. It covers all coins.
Now, if you should have a beef with anything, it's this:
(ii)First coin.—Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), if the Secretary finds that it is feasible and cost-effective, the Secretary may mint and issue a $1 coin in 2018 to introduce the series of coins described in this subsection, that—...
As far as I know, the Mint doesn't have authority to issue the coin in 2019. The law hasn't been amended as far as I can find.
Now, I suppose their response will be they did release the coin in 2018. The RP version is still the same coin, just with a different finish. (Which is a valid point.)
I'd still like to know when they struck the things, though. I'm sure someone will file a FOIA...
@Hemispherical said:
No end dates. But four states have to be minted each year.
Yeah, that's why it's funny to see all four with TBD dates this late in the year. We're either going to see them being released about 4-6 weeks apart, or there's going to be a innobuck fest at some point where they all go on sale at once. That'd be fun...
@ernie11 said:
I'm drawing a blank on this, but I know forum members here can provide an answer to this trivia - when was the last time that a Mint coin debuted in a calendar year different from the date on the coin, and the coin was dated the previous year? Seems odd that they just didn't put 2019 dates on these coins.
@Hemispherical said:
Glad there is a ML/PL the Proof $1 just keeps on and not in a good way.
Going to get some because I got some of the other that keeps on.
The first step to recovery is to recognize there is a problem...
HHL of 5 has been added.
Thank goodness. Well, that's still 4 more than I was going to get... Okay, maybe I'll get two, in two separate orders, and save one for my brown box collection. (And thank goodness for the loyalty program...)
It boggles my mind that given the number of proofs they've sold, this could actually sell out, especially with a relatively low entry price. Compare this coin to the NA C&C set, which is $6 more just for the FRN. Both are special finish coins based on coins minted only to collectors in the first place. (Chew on that last sentence for a while.) Not a first day or even first week sellout, but they'll probably sell out.
I am still leaning in the direction of doing a RP set, but 57 of these folders is like a shoebox full.
5 months left in the year, and all of the 2019 Innobucks are still TBD. This is getting close to joke territory...
Also predict sellout due to number of PR already sold, number of sets in the registry (ies), a product limit (PL), and a PL not in the six digit range.
Expect an initial strong demand of 70s that will peak, drop, and level-out as usual.
@BackroadJunkie said:
I am hoping for an official explanation on the RP Intro Innobuck. I suspect we'll see something as we get closer to the August release date...
Good on this guy. He filed a FOIA on the RP Innobuck. See the response.
@BackroadJunkie said:
I am hoping for an official explanation on the RP Intro Innobuck. I suspect we'll see something as we get closer to the August release date...
Good on this guy. He filed a FOIA on the RP Innobuck. See the response.
069468xx @ 12:00
069502xx @ 12:21
3,400 orders in 21 minutes = No sellout today. We shall see how tommorow works out with the Liberty High Relief Silver, and Gold.
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@Texast said:
069468xx @ 12:00
069502xx @ 12:21
3,400 orders in 21 minutes = No sellout today. We shall see how tommorow works out with the Liberty High Relief Silver, and Gold.
Silver might, although probably not instantly - it's a MEDAL, after all. Too many gold, I think.
My first order: 069468xx @ 12:00 PM
My last order: 069600xx @:8:50 PM
13,200 Orders since Noon EDT
Even if everyone ordered 5, and all the orders were for this item it would still be a long way from a sellout. It appears that these will be available for a long time.
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@Texast said:
My first order: 069468xx @ 12:00 PM
My last order: 069600xx @:8:50 PM
13,200 Orders since Noon EDT
Even if everyone ordered 5, and all the orders were for this item it would still be a long way from a sellout. It appears that these will be available for a long time.
Depends. When the lift the HHL, it doesn't take too many market makers to sell 20,000 units.
@Texast said:
My first order: 069468xx @ 12:00 PM
My last order: 069600xx @:8:50 PM
13,200 Orders since Noon EDT
Even if everyone ordered 5, and all the orders were for this item it would still be a long way from a sellout. It appears that these will be available for a long time.
Well lets see....max mintage 75k
13,000 x 5 = 65k ( most liberal figure)
Might be a sell out in a couple of days or no later than Sunday
BTW..just got an email from the Mint: "Your recent order USM069477xx has shipped" Wow.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
@Texast said:
My first order: 069468xx @ 12:00 PM
My last order: 069600xx @:8:50 PM
13,200 Orders since Noon EDT
Even if everyone ordered 5, and all the orders were for this item it would still be a long way from a sellout. It appears that these will be available for a long time.
Well lets see....max mintage 75k
13,000 x 5 = 65k ( most liberal figure)
Might be a sell out in a couple of days or no later than Sunday
BTW..just got an email from the Mint: "Your recent order USM069477xx has shipped" Wow.
Yes, all 3 of my orders shipped already. Let's hope they can count this time. I've had 2 packages this year that was short an item. If it happens again...smh...
@Texast said:
My first order: 069468xx @ 12:00 PM
My last order: 069600xx @:8:50 PM
13,200 Orders since Noon EDT
Even if everyone ordered 5, and all the orders were for this item it would still be a long way from a sellout. It appears that these will be available for a long time.
Well lets see....max mintage 75k
13,000 x 5 = 65k ( most liberal figure)
Might be a sell out in a couple of days or no later than Sunday
BTW..just got an email from the Mint: "Your recent order USM069477xx has shipped" Wow.
Are you sure 10,000 of those orders aren't for Christmas ornaments?
@Texast said:
My first order: 069468xx @ 12:00 PM
My last order: 069600xx @:8:50 PM
13,200 Orders since Noon EDT
Even if everyone ordered 5, and all the orders were for this item it would still be a long way from a sellout. It appears that these will be available for a long time.
Well lets see....max mintage 75k
13,000 x 5 = 65k ( most liberal figure)
Might be a sell out in a couple of days or no later than Sunday
BTW..just got an email from the Mint: "Your recent order USM069477xx has shipped" Wow.
Guys like me are screwing up your math...
My two orders were for three coins. I'll open the single, the two others are headed for my brown box collection.
Both have shipped, and both are in the hands of FedEx, not just a label generated. Say's they'll be here by Tuesday. Not holding my breath on that one...
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Why didn't they have a leg with nylons on? Or perhaps a bank robber wearing a nylon mask? Now those would have gotten some attention!
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2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
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05/26/2019
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2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
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06/02/2019
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06/09/2019
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2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
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Any luck finding the 2018 reverse proofs. The folks at the mint can’t stop laughing every time I enquire about it especially a release date 🙀jzyskowski I know this is a sore subject but was hoping those missing 1000 $2 rocket ships might be there 😂
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Thought you were being a smart guy, didn't ya?
Aaaand, the 2018 RP Intro coin hit the schedule.
American Innovation 2018 $1 Reverse Proof Coin - Introductory
No other details, but we're looking at an August 14 release date.
Since it is a 2018 coin then the longest it can sell for is through the end of the following year of mintage. In this case end of 2019. So there is only 4 1/2 months of sales? Unless some type of exception occurs.
Ya did! My cat even warned me. But did I listen? No 🙀thanks that’s why I come here love getting politely corrected jzyskowski
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
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2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
182025
06/30/2019
Forgive my ignorance, but I knew nothing about this coin prior to seeing this thread...
That being said, are they going to be issued as part of a proof set of multiple coins...or do they need to be purchased separately...which would be a royal pain from a storage point of view.
Lucky you. It hurts my sensibilities thinking of a 57 brassbuck series minted for collectors only. I guess they need to do something with those dollar presses....
Which are you talking about?
Proofs will come in sets, but the reverse proof coins will be stand alone. (As will both Intro coins.)
So, yep. A full set of reverse proof coins will be like 57 proof sets. It would be nice if they just sold them in capsules...
@RichR
More info here, but it’s out of date in reference to the Intro coin: https://www.usmint.gov/learn/coin-and-medal-programs/american-innovation-dollar-coins
The intro coin (2018) came out as PRs and in bags and rolls. As of late, there seems to be 2018 reverse PR due to be released in Aug 2019. So that means there will be a little over four months for these to be available if the Mint follows the usually year of coin plus the following year for availability. Won’t know until more info is released by the Mint.
I'm drawing a blank on this, but I know forum members here can provide an answer to this trivia - when was the last time that a Mint coin debuted in a calendar year different from the date on the coin, and the coin was dated the previous year? Seems odd that they just didn't put 2019 dates on these coins.
It's been a while.
We came close with the 2015 Limited Edition Silver Proof set, which would probably been issued in 2016 due to packaging problems, except the 30th Anniversary ASE laws prevented it. So the entire set was canceled that year.
The reason they didn't put a 2019 date on it, is because the law specifically stated the Intro coin was a 2018 coin. It's the only year that coin could have been issued.
I am hoping for an official explanation on the RP Intro Innobuck. I suspect we'll see something as we get closer to the August release date...
Prepping for four months of availability of the 2018 RPR AI.
It’ll be weirdly fun!
Where are you getting this info? They're going to sell that puppy until the cows come home.
I'm pretty sure the two year limit was a policy change, and not a law, especially since the Mint is still selling 2017 products on their web site...
Yes, 2017 “regular” coins.
The AI is a “commem.” I’m going to have to read sec 5113, Title 31. Since the AI law was an amended insert.
No end dates. But four states have to be minted each year.
Complete code with amendments, good read...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5112
It's not a commem. 31 U.S. Code § 5112 (which is what I assume you meant) is the specifications For U.S. Coinage. It covers all coins.
Now, if you should have a beef with anything, it's this:
As far as I know, the Mint doesn't have authority to issue the coin in 2019. The law hasn't been amended as far as I can find.
Now, I suppose their response will be they did release the coin in 2018. The RP version is still the same coin, just with a different finish. (Which is a valid point.)
I'd still like to know when they struck the things, though. I'm sure someone will file a FOIA...
Yeah, that's why it's funny to see all four with TBD dates this late in the year. We're either going to see them being released about 4-6 weeks apart, or there's going to be a innobuck fest at some point where they all go on sale at once. That'd be fun...
“ISSUANCE OF COINS COMMEMORATING FOUR INNOVATIONS OR INNOVATORS DURING EACH OF 14 YEARS.”
This first year for the states is going to be wild. Airplane dropping tooth brushes on trees filled with peaches watched by someone with a telescope!
Trying to gauge demand. Raw PRs are low. Slabbed 70s still have some draw.
These RPR, just don’t know but keeping a 2018 coin going into 2020 is going to be weird. Along with a flood of x4 2019 State AIs.
Then 2020 reminds me of the Mayflower non-“commem” silver/gold.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1021280/release-of-a-coin-in-a-later-year-than-on-the-coin#latest
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
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07/07/2019
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2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
183125
07/14/2019
Images released, web page populated....
2018 American Innovation $1 Reverse Proof Introductory Coin (18GE)
They will be $9.95 when they go on sale on August 14.
Update: >Household Order Limit: 5
Glad there is a ML/PL the Proof $1 just keeps on and not in a good way.
Going to get some because I got some of the other that keeps on.
Thanks for the update @BackroadJunkie!
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
183705
07/21/2019
See, it still keeps on going.
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
184113
07/28/2019
HHL of 5 has been added.
The first step to recovery is to recognize there is a problem...
Thank goodness. Well, that's still 4 more than I was going to get... Okay, maybe I'll get two, in two separate orders, and save one for my brown box collection. (And thank goodness for the loyalty program...)
It boggles my mind that given the number of proofs they've sold, this could actually sell out, especially with a relatively low entry price. Compare this coin to the NA C&C set, which is $6 more just for the FRN. Both are special finish coins based on coins minted only to collectors in the first place. (Chew on that last sentence for a while.) Not a first day or even first week sellout, but they'll probably sell out.
I am still leaning in the direction of doing a RP set, but 57 of these folders is like a shoebox full.
5 months left in the year, and all of the 2019 Innobucks are still TBD. This is getting close to joke territory...
Also predict sellout due to number of PR already sold, number of sets in the registry (ies), a product limit (PL), and a PL not in the six digit range.
Expect an initial strong demand of 70s that will peak, drop, and level-out as usual.
IMO
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2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
184544
08/04/2019
Who keeps buying these? Must be the Mint’s gift shop?
Good on this guy. He filed a FOIA on the RP Innobuck. See the response.
coincommunity.com: Upcoming 2018 Reverse Proof American Innovation Coin
So, the product is within the law. I'm good with that.
Good stuff @BackroadJunkie!
Wasn’t released back then because of government shutdown. The non-essential employee who files the federal registry documents was not working.
Bump, 'cause it goes on sale today at Noon...
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2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
185167
08/11/2019
Good thing the RPR has a limit because the PR just keeps on going.
In and out.
USM069466xx and
USM069470xx
likewise...69477xx
Pretty light traffic it seems on the old Mint Website:
1st order 6946XXX at 12:01
3rd order 6947xxx at 12:02
Total of 800 order numbers in the 90 seconds or so
069468xx @ 12:00
069502xx @ 12:21
3,400 orders in 21 minutes = No sellout today. We shall see how tommorow works out with the Liberty High Relief Silver, and Gold.
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Silver might, although probably not instantly - it's a MEDAL, after all. Too many gold, I think.
USM06947xxx
Too easy today..... USM0069471XX 12:02 I thought these would be more popular.
My first order: 069468xx @ 12:00 PM
My last order: 069600xx @:8:50 PM
13,200 Orders since Noon EDT
Even if everyone ordered 5, and all the orders were for this item it would still be a long way from a sellout. It appears that these will be available for a long time.
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
Depends. When the lift the HHL, it doesn't take too many market makers to sell 20,000 units.
Well lets see....max mintage 75k
13,000 x 5 = 65k ( most liberal figure)
Might be a sell out in a couple of days or no later than Sunday
BTW..just got an email from the Mint: "Your recent order USM069477xx has shipped" Wow.
Yes, all 3 of my orders shipped already. Let's hope they can count this time. I've had 2 packages this year that was short an item. If it happens again...smh...
Are you sure 10,000 of those orders aren't for Christmas ornaments?
Guys like me are screwing up your math...
My two orders were for three coins. I'll open the single, the two others are headed for my brown box collection.
Both have shipped, and both are in the hands of FedEx, not just a label generated. Say's they'll be here by Tuesday. Not holding my breath on that one...