@BackroadJunkie said:
I could start the 2019 thread now, since that's what we're talking about, and all the 2019 Innobuck web pages exist. Any > > preferences?
@7over8 said:
2000 being held for returns is far more than usual
Actually, I mentioned 3 different places they could be. I meant pending returns, not possible returns. The overmintage for this item was probably in the thousands. Those would be the coins held for "possible" returns. They would sell all 75,000 and any returns would be handled from the overmintage. But there seems to be some timing issues in the reporting of numbers we see, so it is possible that a pending return would be deducted from sales but not put on sale until the physical units were accounted for...or not. I was speculating that would be one of at least 3 places where the "missing" 2000 units could currently be.
I remain curious as to what the other Reverse Proofs are going to have for mintages. Given that the first one is coming out in November, are they going to do the same thing they did with the 2018? Are they going to Mint a fixed number and then release them, maybe into 2020?
@jmlanzaf said:
I remain curious as to what the other Reverse Proofs are going to have for mintages. Given that the first one is coming out in November, are they going to do the same thing they did with the 2018? Are they going to Mint a fixed number and then release them, maybe into 2020?
Looks that way. Do not know when the process starts for each State but they have to provide the designs. Then go through the CAC and CFAC
process.
If they (Mint) are following the same timeline as the Intro coins and these four States... takes away for them State governments to change. Then these will be stuck to start in the last calendar quarter every year.
@Hemispherical said:
If they (Mint) are following the same timeline as the Intro coins and these four States... takes away for them State governments to change. Then these will be stuck to start in the last calendar quarter every year.
This year's coins are being released late because the law was introduced so late last year. Idiots Members in congress probably don't realize how long the process takes. (The CFA/CCAC were considering designs for the 2019 innobucks at the same time they were looking at 2020 designs for the commems. A year late in the process.)
They're already reviewing design candidates for 2020, so I suspect the 2020 innobucks will follow a schedule more like the presibucks, one per quarter starting next year or 2021...
@Hemispherical said:
If they (Mint) are following the same timeline as the Intro coins and these four States... takes away for them State governments to change. Then these will be stuck to start in the last calendar quarter every year.
This year's coins are being released late because the law was introduced so late last year. Idiots Members in congress probably don't realize how long the process takes. (The CFA/CCAC were considering designs for the 2019 innobucks at the same time they were looking at 2020 designs for the commems. A year late in the process.)
They're already reviewing design candidates for 2020, so I suspect the 2020 innobucks will follow a schedule more like the presibucks, one per quarter starting next year or 2021...
Not sure how many were available. They limited to 5 sets per order still. Was able to get 7 orders in. There were two orders scattered in between my orders. No guarantee those were for the same coin though.
@BigA said:
Wouldn't the registry pics be right after slabbing? .....or are they added at any random date after the fact
From the FAQ:
At what point in the process are the photographs taken?
Photography can take place at any point in the grading process but always before the coin is encapsulated to ensure absolute clarity in the photography process.
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@ReadyFireAim said:
Spots already???...Interesting (BTW this is a 70)
(as seen in someone's registry set)
Composition as posted at the Mint’s site for the AI:
Could it be an alloy mix issue?
Washing of the planchet
Sneeze/cough?
I’ve seen a spot or two in OGP PF AIs but never sent them in for grading.
Since the spots are only on one side or the coin, your third option is probably the case. Employees should be wearing masks - especially when dealing with proof surfaces. Which grading company did this?
While carefully handled examples of these small dollars since 2000 are beautiful (and even tone beautifully), they are overly vulnerable to environmental conditions. (e.g. the ones circulating in Ecuador)
The metallurgical content on this series should be changed to something more durable.
75,000 mintages for each of the upcoming reverse proofs.
What do you guys think of that?
I'll offer my opinion up front - continued fragmentation of the coin market, resulting in lower and lower demand overall, nevermind the demographics and trends away from coin usage & paper money.
Does it seem a little like a Franklin Mint subscription service (only without the precious metal content)?
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
Do you think that there's 65,000 to 75,000 collectors willing to ride out a series like this, along with all the other stuff being served up every year?
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
Do you think that there's 65,000 to 75,000 collectors willing to ride out a series like this, along with all the other stuff being served up every year?
No. But when do they get off the train? Look at state quarters.
Do you think that there's 65,000 to 75,000 collectors willing to ride out a series like this, along with all the other stuff being served up every year?
IMO, I do not think the collector base is that large. Many that were bought were for gifts and the “newness” of the coin. How many of these gift recipients becoming an AI series collector is the big question mark. But (of course there’s a ‘but’) the RPF Intro coin did sellout. Who bought them?
The pop report does not show extensive slabbing. This leads me to believe most AI collectors are doing an album fill. I recall @WALLE had made his own album, too, since there are none available. This may have changed.
I am on the fence collecting the full series. Maybe the PF and/or RPF...?
Comments
I'm more interested in the mintage limits, if any.
I like the now idea
My Saint Set
Designs and ML.
Must be my timing. Have not been able to get any during my AM checks.
Or forum members got quicker fingers now that the trick is out there.
Probably very true.
At least I managed to get 5 in the cart on the last opening. Now await the next to complete the checkout.
They already released the designs, didn't they?
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
188645
08/25/2019
Sales are creeping along.
Literally 1 (ONE) set showed up this morning
There still seems to be 2000+ available—-what’s going on here USM?
Could be in the gift shops or show stock. Could be on hold pending returns of items. It is not at all unusual
An observation.
Some are willing to pay a premium for the AI PR and AI RP rather than go through the Mint.
No idea why, other than maybe had a previous “difficult” experience?
2000 being held for returns is far more than usual
Actually, I mentioned 3 different places they could be. I meant pending returns, not possible returns. The overmintage for this item was probably in the thousands. Those would be the coins held for "possible" returns. They would sell all 75,000 and any returns would be handled from the overmintage. But there seems to be some timing issues in the reporting of numbers we see, so it is possible that a pending return would be deducted from sales but not put on sale until the physical units were accounted for...or not. I was speculating that would be one of at least 3 places where the "missing" 2000 units could currently be.
The quicker these go SO the better.
Well, that's usually true...unless you like checking for them at 7:30 every morning. LOL
Too true!
18GE 2018 AI $1 REV PRF COIN 72,830 +119
and so we creep closer...
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
189373
09/01/2019
Less than 750 this week.
18GE 2018 AI $1 REV PRF COIN 74,836 +2,006
So close for the reverse PRs sellout.
While the PRs keep on keeping on...
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
189896
09/08/2019
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
190600
09/15/2019
Just how many of these did they make last year? A FOIA is needed.
If the bags (which are sold out) are an indicator then about 290K PRs were made?
18GBA 2018 AI $1 100-COIN BAG (P) 2935
09/15/2019
18GBE
2018 AI $1 100-COIN BAG (D) 2954
09/15/2019
The limiting factor for AI collectors are the Reverse Proofs with a 75K limit, but doubtful there are that many collectors.
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
191318
09/22/2019
I remain curious as to what the other Reverse Proofs are going to have for mintages. Given that the first one is coming out in November, are they going to do the same thing they did with the 2018? Are they going to Mint a fixed number and then release them, maybe into 2020?
Looks that way. Do not know when the process starts for each State but they have to provide the designs. Then go through the CAC and CFAC
process.
If they (Mint) are following the same timeline as the Intro coins and these four States... takes away for them State governments to change. Then these will be stuck to start in the last calendar quarter every year.
IMO
This year's coins are being released late because the law was introduced so late last year. Idiots Members in congress probably don't realize how long the process takes. (The CFA/CCAC were considering designs for the 2019 innobucks at the same time they were looking at 2020 designs for the commems. A year late in the process.)
They're already reviewing design candidates for 2020, so I suspect the 2020 innobucks will follow a schedule more like the presibucks, one per quarter starting next year or 2021...
That’ll be a relief for some... I guess.
Thanks for the timeline update @BackroadJunkie.
18GA
2018 AI $1 PROOF COIN
191823
09/29/2019
18GE
2018 AI $1 REV PRF COIN
74794
09/29/2019
FY funding ran out, last update for the Intro AIs.
It took what seemed like forever ( a month and 1/2?) but they actually showed up this morning. Anyone else get an order(s) in?
Was doing a few morning checks, and got sidetracked (bad timing).
Start the caffeine before an event that needs timing.
How many did you see/get?
Not sure how many were available. They limited to 5 sets per order still. Was able to get 7 orders in. There were two orders scattered in between my orders. No guarantee those were for the same coin though.
Dang!
Hopefully more will come up.
What are ya'll talking about? The reverse proofs?
Yes.
Finally Sold Out ! Next.
Spots already???...Interesting (BTW this is a 70)
(as seen in someone's registry set)
My Saint Set
Wow, that's interesting. Could those possibly have appeared after slabbing?
Wouldn't the registry pics be right after slabbing? .....or are they added at any random date after the fact
From the FAQ:
At what point in the process are the photographs taken?
Photography can take place at any point in the grading process but always before the coin is encapsulated to ensure absolute clarity in the photography process.
—————
Composition as posted at the Mint’s site for the AI:
Composition: 6% Zinc, 3.5% Manganese, 2% Nickel, Balance Copper
Could it be an alloy mix issue?
Washing of the planchet
Sneeze/cough?
I’ve seen a spot or two in OGP PF AIs but never sent them in for grading.
@Hemispherical said:
Since the spots are only on one side or the coin, your third option is probably the case. Employees should be wearing masks - especially when dealing with proof surfaces. Which grading company did this?
While carefully handled examples of these small dollars since 2000 are beautiful (and even tone beautifully), they are overly vulnerable to environmental conditions. (e.g. the ones circulating in Ecuador)
The metallurgical content on this series should be changed to something more durable.
@rip_f
At 100+ coins for this series it’s going to be “fun” seeing all the different “characteristics” when it’s complete.
Those are stars. It's the extra special nighttime Innobuck.
That might be tough. The formulation was specific to match the electro-magnetic signature of the cupro-nickel Suzibuck.
Vending machines, donchaknow...
75,000 mintages for each of the upcoming reverse proofs.
What do you guys think of that?
I'll offer my opinion up front - continued fragmentation of the coin market, resulting in lower and lower demand overall, nevermind the demographics and trends away from coin usage & paper money.
Does it seem a little like a Franklin Mint subscription service (only without the precious metal content)?
I knew it would happen.
Will be very interesting if each of the RPF coins sellout.
What is the initial HHL for the Delaware?
HHL = 5.
Do you think that there's 65,000 to 75,000 collectors willing to ride out a series like this, along with all the other stuff being served up every year?
I knew it would happen.
No. But when do they get off the train? Look at state quarters.
_when do they get off the train?_when do they get off the train?
About that time when their eyes blur over and they ask themselves, "What am I doing?"
My best estimate is around 1-2 years after retirement.
I knew it would happen.
IMO, I do not think the collector base is that large. Many that were bought were for gifts and the “newness” of the coin. How many of these gift recipients becoming an AI series collector is the big question mark. But (of course there’s a ‘but’) the RPF Intro coin did sellout. Who bought them?
The pop report does not show extensive slabbing. This leads me to believe most AI collectors are doing an album fill. I recall @WALLE had made his own album, too, since there are none available. This may have changed.
I am on the fence collecting the full series. Maybe the PF and/or RPF...?