@Walt said:
Well it was my birthday and I heard heritage was good so I bought two boxes. Hit two autographs (Muncy and Story) and an SSP Acuna Jr. french back. Nice stuff, but the good old days are gone. You used to get 4 chrome cards a box and now with the odds, you get 5 chromes a case. Good luck to all!
Last time I did Heritage in force was 2007. The reg chromes were printed to like 1958 or whatever to match the year being highlighted. Now they are less than 1,000 printed. MUCH TOUGHER .... out of all that retail I busted yesterday I pulled two regular chromes. One refractor. Then the purple hot box.
Maybe because not many have been ripping yet, but I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about Topps including ALL of the superstars and desirable players within the 400s on the checklist, where the SPs reside. Last year, the odds were 1 SP every 3 packs, or 8 per box, or 96 per case. If those odds are the same this year, you will at best get only one of the star you're looking for PER CASE. If lady luck is not with you, you could rip a whole case and never see a Trout or Acuna or Soto.
I jumped in an ordered a couple of boxes directly from Topps. Once you add in shipping and tax, I don't think I saved any money. $85 a box at Topps, versus $95 box at Blowout or Dave & Adam. (I don't believe they charge for tax or shipping so it was a wash). I bought a couple of the "2019 Heritage Baseball Online Exclusive Box", which were $22 each. I think they come with an extra pack (9 versus 8). Just seems like I spent a lot of money.... for what I am getting... got my fingers crossed... haha
@countdouglas said:
Maybe because not many have been ripping yet, but I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about Topps including ALL of the superstars and desirable players within the 400s on the checklist, where the SPs reside. Last year, the odds were 1 SP every 3 packs, or 8 per box, or 96 per case. If those odds are the same this year, you will at best get only one of the star you're looking for PER CASE. If lady luck is not with you, you could rip a whole case and never see a Trout or Acuna or Soto.
I think 8 SP per box has been the standard, hasn't it? When there were only 75 in the set, it was possible to get the whole set in one case... I thought the SP's were getting squeezed out by all the other chase cards. Even making the subsets like the "Then and Now", "Flashbacks"....tougher to complete.
The SP hit ratio is fine. Just like I remember it. Problem is there are 100 of them on top of the subsets. It's the CHROMES that are getting squeezed out by production.
@softparade said:
I don’t know the significance of Purple Chromes yet (they aren’t numbered) but I just ripped a 8 pack retail box that had a purple chrome in EVERY pack.
Is the purple an exclusive to the retail store you got them at? I think they are
It's not the SP ratio that is the problem, it's the fact that the entire SP checklist is made up of All-Stars and superstars and rookie cup cards. Every player that you literally want to actually own is an SP. Meanwhile, middle relievers and backup infielders will clog up your collection at a ratio of 7:1 or whatever it is compared to the number of Trout or Ohtani or Harper or Bryant or....name any star, and I bet they're in the 400s on the checklist.
@countdouglas said:
It's not the SP ratio that is the problem, it's the fact that the entire SP checklist is made up of All-Stars and superstars and rookie cup cards. Every player that you literally want to actually own is an SP. Meanwhile, middle relievers and backup infielders will clog up your collection at a ratio of 7:1 or whatever it is compared to the number of Trout or Ohtani or Harper or Bryant or....name any star, and I bet they're in the 400s on the checklist.
Means nothing to me as I build a master set so I want just one of all of them. But I get it.
@countdouglas said:
It's not the SP ratio that is the problem, it's the fact that the entire SP checklist is made up of All-Stars and superstars and rookie cup cards. Every player that you literally want to actually own is an SP. Meanwhile, middle relievers and backup infielders will clog up your collection at a ratio of 7:1 or whatever it is compared to the number of Trout or Ohtani or Harper or Bryant or....name any star, and I bet they're in the 400s on the checklist.
OK, yeah I agree. They are trying to "artificially" create value by making the superstars SP's. Kind of turning them into chase cards. But is that new?
In the end I stress over the which base card makes my set. > @Mick65 said:
@countdouglas said:
It's not the SP ratio that is the problem, it's the fact that the entire SP checklist is made up of All-Stars and superstars and rookie cup cards. Every player that you literally want to actually own is an SP. Meanwhile, middle relievers and backup infielders will clog up your collection at a ratio of 7:1 or whatever it is compared to the number of Trout or Ohtani or Harper or Bryant or....name any star, and I bet they're in the 400s on the checklist.
OK, yeah I agree. They are trying to "artificially" create value by making the superstars SP's. Kind of turning them into chase cards. But is that new?
No. It's the opposite of what Donruss did in 1988 LOL
@Stone193 said:
I've been collecting Heritage since it started.
I never know what to expect - I guess that makes it fun.
I will say tho - last year - every time me and Mary went to Target, if they had a few blasters? I was in.
Problem? I definitely overspent. This year? I'm watching myself.
I have a blaster case coming, will hit more retail on top of yesterdays start and then I hope I can rely on trading. BUT .... BUT... it looks like the reg Chrome set is out of the question now .... that sucks because I have it from 2005, 2006, and 2007.
I pulled six candy top lids (YAWN) from my Target haul yesterday. Now I know why I didn't hit a auto or even one relic. They aren't in those candy lid version blaster boxes.
@softparade said:
I pulled six candy top lids (YAWN) from my Target haul yesterday. Now I know why I didn't hit a auto or even one relic. They aren't in those candy lid version blaster boxes.
They are in the stated odds on the back of the box, but not advertised on the front as they are the regular blasters
@softparade said:
Anybody in to these candy lid Target inserts? I have six of them for early trade. Please PM
I would love to take them off your hands. All chromes except for the Rangers will be available. Case is sitting next to me. Will stop at Wal Mart on the way home for some retail. Hit Target at lunch.
In memory of great heritage threads from years past I will do a live break of my case box by box.
Box 1 of 12
1970 buyback box topper
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 2
BF - 1
NF - 1
Chrome - 0
Refractor - 0
Black border - Jason Kipnis
Scratch off - Freddie Freeman
Danny Jansen Blue Auto
In memory of great heritage threads from years past I will do a live break of my case box by box.
Box 2 of 12
1970 buyback box topper - unopened
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 1
BF - 1
NF - 2
Chrome - 1
Refractor - 0
Black border - Greg Bird
Scratch off - Khris Davis
Danny Jansen Blue Auto - AGAIN Really Topps?
@ZTarg said:
In memory of great heritage threads from years past I will do a live break of my case box by box.
Box 2 of 12
1970 buyback box topper - unopened
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 1
BF - 1
NF - 2
Chrome - 1
Refractor - 0
Black border - Greg Bird
Scratch off - Khris Davis
Danny Jansen Blue Auto - AGAIN Really Topps?
Seriously-2 boxes, 2 Jansen Autos . Those crazy Topps guys.
Seems that since Nick is posting as he goes like we all used to......I'll post 1st 3 boxes combined:
25 SP's
2 action-tucker , Arenado
3 scratch offs
3 CC-Price, DeGrom. Encarcianon
refractor/570-Mikolas
chrome/999-Altuve
black border-Cesar Hernandez
12 NAP
4 TN
4 News FB
4 BB FB
Also:
1 Super-TRout
2 buybacks
Box 3 of 12
1970 buyback box topper - unopened
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 2
BF - 1
NF - 1
Chrome - 0
Refractor - 1
Action Variation - Danny Jansen I guess I got the Danny Jansen hot case
Scratch off - Francisco Lindor
Christian Yelich bat relic
Box 4:
Rhys Hopkins poster
8 SP
Sean Newcomb black border
Cain scratch off
Torres French text
McCovey postage stamp
4 NAP
2 TN , 1 with a trashed corner
1 News FB
1 BB fb
Also Dave (magellan) take a look at your 25 SPs from your first 3 boxes. Topps is pretty good about 8 per box, so one of those 25 might be a variation (ie. action, trade, error, etc....)
@ZTarg said:
Also Dave (magellan) take a look at your 25 SPs from your first 3 boxes. Topps is pretty good about 8 per box, so one of those 25 might be a variation (ie. action, trade, error, etc....)
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Last time I did Heritage in force was 2007. The reg chromes were printed to like 1958 or whatever to match the year being highlighted. Now they are less than 1,000 printed. MUCH TOUGHER .... out of all that retail I busted yesterday I pulled two regular chromes. One refractor. Then the purple hot box.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
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Maybe because not many have been ripping yet, but I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about Topps including ALL of the superstars and desirable players within the 400s on the checklist, where the SPs reside. Last year, the odds were 1 SP every 3 packs, or 8 per box, or 96 per case. If those odds are the same this year, you will at best get only one of the star you're looking for PER CASE. If lady luck is not with you, you could rip a whole case and never see a Trout or Acuna or Soto.
I jumped in an ordered a couple of boxes directly from Topps. Once you add in shipping and tax, I don't think I saved any money. $85 a box at Topps, versus $95 box at Blowout or Dave & Adam. (I don't believe they charge for tax or shipping so it was a wash). I bought a couple of the "2019 Heritage Baseball Online Exclusive Box", which were $22 each. I think they come with an extra pack (9 versus 8). Just seems like I spent a lot of money.... for what I am getting... got my fingers crossed... haha
I think 8 SP per box has been the standard, hasn't it? When there were only 75 in the set, it was possible to get the whole set in one case... I thought the SP's were getting squeezed out by all the other chase cards. Even making the subsets like the "Then and Now", "Flashbacks"....tougher to complete.
The SP hit ratio is fine. Just like I remember it. Problem is there are 100 of them on top of the subsets. It's the CHROMES that are getting squeezed out by production.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
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It's not the SP ratio that is the problem, it's the fact that the entire SP checklist is made up of All-Stars and superstars and rookie cup cards. Every player that you literally want to actually own is an SP. Meanwhile, middle relievers and backup infielders will clog up your collection at a ratio of 7:1 or whatever it is compared to the number of Trout or Ohtani or Harper or Bryant or....name any star, and I bet they're in the 400s on the checklist.
Means nothing to me as I build a master set so I want just one of all of them. But I get it.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Should be a fun rip session over a few beers tonight 😁
OK, yeah I agree. They are trying to "artificially" create value by making the superstars SP's. Kind of turning them into chase cards. But is that new?
In the end I stress over the which base card makes my set. > @Mick65 said:
No. It's the opposite of what Donruss did in 1988 LOL
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I've been collecting Heritage since it started.
I never know what to expect - I guess that makes it fun.
I will say tho - last year - every time me and Mary went to Target, if they had a few blasters? I was in.
Problem? I definitely overspent. This year? I'm watching myself.
I have a blaster case coming, will hit more retail on top of yesterdays start and then I hope I can rely on trading. BUT .... BUT... it looks like the reg Chrome set is out of the question now .... that sucks because I have it from 2005, 2006, and 2007.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
The chromes used to be way easier Dan.
I don't even try anymore.
Yeah I'm begrudgingly coming to that realization.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Had to grab a few target exclusive boxes as well
I pulled six candy top lids (YAWN) from my Target haul yesterday. Now I know why I didn't hit a auto or even one relic. They aren't in those candy lid version blaster boxes.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
They are in the stated odds on the back of the box, but not advertised on the front as they are the regular blasters
The eagle (my case) has landed. I repeat, the eagle (my case) has landed.
Hi Mike.
Here's a nce picture in honor of the return of my buddy Zep33.
Mine has too there ole tzarg.
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
Anybody in to these candy lid Target inserts? I have six of them for early trade. Please PM
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
My eagle is still flying around. Haven't made it to the LCS yet and the two nearest Walmarts had zippo.
Kris
My 1971 Topps adventure - Davis Men in Black
haha, the old pyramid of Heritage
I would love to take them off your hands. All chromes except for the Rangers will be available. Case is sitting next to me. Will stop at Wal Mart on the way home for some retail. Hit Target at lunch.
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
In memory of great heritage threads from years past I will do a live break of my case box by box.
Box 1 of 12
1970 buyback box topper
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 2
BF - 1
NF - 1
Chrome - 0
Refractor - 0
Black border - Jason Kipnis
Scratch off - Freddie Freeman
Danny Jansen Blue Auto
In memory of great heritage threads from years past I will do a live break of my case box by box.
Box 2 of 12
1970 buyback box topper - unopened
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 1
BF - 1
NF - 2
Chrome - 1
Refractor - 0
Black border - Greg Bird
Scratch off - Khris Davis
Danny Jansen Blue Auto - AGAIN Really Topps?
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Retail Round 2. And probably my last big retail purchase.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Seriously-2 boxes, 2 Jansen Autos
. Those crazy Topps guys.
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
Seems that since Nick is posting as he goes like we all used to......I'll post 1st 3 boxes combined:
25 SP's
2 action-tucker , Arenado
3 scratch offs
3 CC-Price, DeGrom. Encarcianon
refractor/570-Mikolas
chrome/999-Altuve
black border-Cesar Hernandez
12 NAP
4 TN
4 News FB
4 BB FB
Also:
1 Super-TRout
2 buybacks
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
Box 3 of 12
1970 buyback box topper - unopened
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 2
BF - 1
NF - 1
Chrome - 0
Refractor - 1
Action Variation - Danny Jansen I guess I got the Danny Jansen hot case
Scratch off - Francisco Lindor
Christian Yelich bat relic
Couldn't give me the Trout or Judge case Topps?
I ordered 2 hobby boxes a few weeks ago. I opened one today. It was a hot box...so...
NAP: 4
T&N:1
BF: 2
NF:1
Chrome: 1 (Benintendi)
Scratch off: Kershaw
Freddy Freeman Patch Relic
Purple Chrome: 24
Box 4 of 12
1970 buyback box topper - unopened
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 1
BF - 2
NF - 1
Chrome - 0
Refractor - 1
French back - Matt Carpenter
Action Variation - Shohei Ohtani
Scratch off - Jose Altuve
Dellin Betances jersey relic
Box 4:
Rhys Hopkins poster
8 SP
Sean Newcomb black border
Cain scratch off
Torres French text
McCovey postage stamp
4 NAP
2 TN , 1 with a trashed corner
1 News FB
1 BB fb
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
Box 5:
8 SP
1 Action-Altuve
1 Refractor/570-Acuna
1 Sratch off-Kershaw
1 CC-Bryant
4 NAP
1 TN
2 News FB
1 BB FB
1 buyback topper
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
I'm feeling some ink for you in box 6 or 7 Dave. I just hope it better than Danny Jansen.
Acuna Walmart exclusive Walmart Cloth Sticker pretty cool
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Missed this post - hiya Mike!!
Also Dave (magellan) take a look at your 25 SPs from your first 3 boxes. Topps is pretty good about 8 per box, so one of those 25 might be a variation (ie. action, trade, error, etc....)
Box 5 of 12
1970 Super box topper - Shohei Ohtani
Short Prints - 8
NAP - 4
T&N - 1
BF - 2
NF - 1
Chrome - 1 Judge
Refractor - 0
Action Variation - Kris Bryant
Scratch off - Yadier Molina
Scooter Gennett jersey relic
I stopped at the closest Walmart and Target today - nothing.
Will check again tomorrow - just out of curiosity?
Judge Walmart Exclusive Cloth Sticker. I like
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I'll double check, thanks Nick.
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
That's a nice looking piece of cloth. What's going on with the bottom right corner? I'd hate for you to say it's flawed.
Andy