@stevek said:
Another "great" day for Saquon Barkley
21 carries for 43 yards
Perhaps the Giants should use him as trade bait to move up in the draft and select a quarterback. LOL
He's also the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards & catch 80 receptions.
Yea, And the Giants "improved" from 3 wins last season to 5 wins this season.
Giants fans must be jubilant over Barkley's stats. LOL
He's had 1886 total yards & 14tds with a game to go. Had it been a rookie QB, he would still be holding Eli's clipboard.
Philly should trade Wentz for Barkley before Wentz falls into complete obscurity next season.
Who in their right mind would trade Barkley for Wentz??!!
I was being sarcastic. Wentz is damaged goods at this point.
Wrong again Eric. Wentz had a pretty good year stat wise coming off an ACL tear along with the back problems.
Wentz will heal up in the off season and have a great, HOF caliber season in 2019.
Leave Wentz off your fantasy football team at your own peril.
Too bad statwise never translated into the win column. The guy has been in the NFL for three seasons and two of those ended on IR with two different injuries. Better make sure Foles doesn't leave before Wentz rookie contract ends.
@stevek said:
Another "great" day for Saquon Barkley
21 carries for 43 yards
Perhaps the Giants should use him as trade bait to move up in the draft and select a quarterback. LOL
He's also the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards & catch 80 receptions.
edit: by next week that could be 1200 & 90.
Yea, and by next week the Giants may still have only 5 wins, but for sure a year lost on grooming a future quarterback.
It's comical how fans like you and Grote have no discernible clue how to use the draft to properly set-up a successful winning football team.
Dude you are so clueless. There was no way any rookie QB was going into that Giants organization with no RB and a crap offensive line and winning 3 games let alone 5.
You can save whatever long winded lecture on "what it takes to have a successful winning football team" that we all know you're about to type because I've already said too much here. I'm not getting into a Giants debate with you.
Another clueless football fan not understanding the draft. Contact the Giants...they could use you to be another "yes" man for their front office as they wallow in mediocrity. LOL
Mediocrity..like winning the SB and not making the playoffs the following year? Lose at Washington next week and the Eagles finish 3rd in their division.
The Eagles starting superstar QB was coming off a brutal ACL tear. Come on now, stop being silly.
@stevek said:
Another "great" day for Saquon Barkley
21 carries for 43 yards
Perhaps the Giants should use him as trade bait to move up in the draft and select a quarterback. LOL
He's also the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards & catch 80 receptions.
Yea, And the Giants "improved" from 3 wins last season to 5 wins this season.
Giants fans must be jubilant over Barkley's stats. LOL
He's had 1886 total yards & 14tds with a game to go. Had it been a rookie QB, he would still be holding Eli's clipboard.
Philly should trade Wentz for Barkley before Wentz falls into complete obscurity next season.
Who in their right mind would trade Barkley for Wentz??!!
The Eagles would NOT make that trade in a million years. Case closed.
I know. They will keep Wentz and let Foles go ...
That is the likely scenario. But the Eagles could keep both. We shall see how it all plays out.
Unless Foles is still under contract, I don't know how they can do that.
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@stevek said:
Another "great" day for Saquon Barkley
21 carries for 43 yards
Perhaps the Giants should use him as trade bait to move up in the draft and select a quarterback. LOL
He's also the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards & catch 80 receptions.
edit: by next week that could be 1200 & 90.
Yea, and by next week the Giants may still have only 5 wins, but for sure a year lost on grooming a future quarterback.
It's comical how fans like you and Grote have no discernible clue how to use the draft to properly set-up a successful winning football team.
Dude you are so clueless. There was no way any rookie QB was going into that Giants organization with no RB and a crap offensive line and winning 3 games let alone 5.
You can save whatever long winded lecture on "what it takes to have a successful winning football team" that we all know you're about to type because I've already said too much here. I'm not getting into a Giants debate with you.
Another clueless football fan not understanding the draft. Contact the Giants...they could use you to be another "yes" man for their front office as they wallow in mediocrity. LOL
Mediocrity..like winning the SB and not making the playoffs the following year? Lose at Washington next week and the Eagles finish 3rd in their division.
The Eagles starting superstar QB was coming off a brutal ACL tear. Come on now, stop being silly.
Yeah so was the Texans superstar QB who is a mobile QB and still had a great season. You can only keep blaming the "brutal injury" for so long. I'm sure that next season we'll hear about how bad his back injury is when they finish 7-9.
All I'm saying is don't let Foles leave.
@stevek said:
Another "great" day for Saquon Barkley
21 carries for 43 yards
Perhaps the Giants should use him as trade bait to move up in the draft and select a quarterback. LOL
He's also the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards & catch 80 receptions.
Yea, And the Giants "improved" from 3 wins last season to 5 wins this season.
Giants fans must be jubilant over Barkley's stats. LOL
He's had 1886 total yards & 14tds with a game to go. Had it been a rookie QB, he would still be holding Eli's clipboard.
Philly should trade Wentz for Barkley before Wentz falls into complete obscurity next season.
Who in their right mind would trade Barkley for Wentz??!!
I was being sarcastic. Wentz is damaged goods at this point.
Wrong again Eric. Wentz had a pretty good year stat wise coming off an ACL tear along with the back problems.
Wentz will heal up in the off season and have a great, HOF caliber season in 2019.
Leave Wentz off your fantasy football team at your own peril.
Too bad statwise never translated into the win column. The guy has been in the NFL for three seasons and two of those ended on IR with two different injuries. Better make sure Foles doesn't leave before Wentz rookie contract ends.
I'm not sticking my head in the sand that the injuries aren't a problem.
Frankly, like a good horse trainer does with a top notch fragile thoroughbred, Doug Pederson must learn to properly use Wentz as needed and not put unnecessary wear and tear on his body. I have strongly criticized Pederson about this since Wentz's first year in the league.
Bottom line, thru thick and thin, Carson Wentz is the Eagles future, not Nick Foles, despite Foles heroics last season and so far this season.
@stevek said:
Another "great" day for Saquon Barkley
21 carries for 43 yards
Perhaps the Giants should use him as trade bait to move up in the draft and select a quarterback. LOL
He's also the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards & catch 80 receptions.
Yea, And the Giants "improved" from 3 wins last season to 5 wins this season.
Giants fans must be jubilant over Barkley's stats. LOL
He's had 1886 total yards & 14tds with a game to go. Had it been a rookie QB, he would still be holding Eli's clipboard.
Philly should trade Wentz for Barkley before Wentz falls into complete obscurity next season.
Who in their right mind would trade Barkley for Wentz??!!
I was being sarcastic. Wentz is damaged goods at this point.
Wrong again Eric. Wentz had a pretty good year stat wise coming off an ACL tear along with the back problems.
Wentz will heal up in the off season and have a great, HOF caliber season in 2019.
Leave Wentz off your fantasy football team at your own peril.
Too bad statwise never translated into the win column. The guy has been in the NFL for three seasons and two of those ended on IR with two different injuries. Better make sure Foles doesn't leave before Wentz rookie contract ends.
I'm not sticking my head in the sand that the injuries aren't a problem.
Frankly, like a good horse trainer does with a top notch fragile thoroughbred, Doug Pederson must learn to properly use Wentz as needed and not put unnecessary wear and tear on his body. I have strongly criticized Pederson about this since Wentz's first year in the league.
Bottom line, thru thick and thin, Carson Wentz is the Eagles future, not Nick Foles, despite Foles heroics last season and so far this season.
Steve, I never understood your continued hype on Wentz. He was/is not that good. Heck, Daz has better stats and he is just average at best. You need to move on from Wentz....really.
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen. I think Wentz will heal up and have a great season next year. But if he doesn't, then he doesn't.
We all should understand that without Carson Wentz, the Eagles wouldn't have won the Super Bowl last season. And even if Wentz never throws another TD pass, that Super Bowl championship to me makes his draft pick worth it.
Frankly, since Wentz didn't "win" the Super Bowl game, i think that helps him to still be hungry, work hard, heal up, and progress to next season, so that he can win one, or two, or three in the future that he can then call his own.
Foles will be the prize this off season . Plenty of teams need a QB and are willing to overpay for one , if he has a strong finish the piggie banks are getting busted open in 4 or 5 cities
@stevek said:
Another "great" day for Saquon Barkley
21 carries for 43 yards
Perhaps the Giants should use him as trade bait to move up in the draft and select a quarterback. LOL
He's also the first rookie in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards & catch 80 receptions.
Yea, And the Giants "improved" from 3 wins last season to 5 wins this season.
Giants fans must be jubilant over Barkley's stats. LOL
He's had 1886 total yards & 14tds with a game to go. Had it been a rookie QB, he would still be holding Eli's clipboard.
Philly should trade Wentz for Barkley before Wentz falls into complete obscurity next season.
Who in their right mind would trade Barkley for Wentz??!!
I was being sarcastic. Wentz is damaged goods at this point.
Wrong again Eric. Wentz had a pretty good year stat wise coming off an ACL tear along with the back problems.
Wentz will heal up in the off season and have a great, HOF caliber season in 2019.
Leave Wentz off your fantasy football team at your own peril.
Too bad statwise never translated into the win column. The guy has been in the NFL for three seasons and two of those ended on IR with two different injuries. Better make sure Foles doesn't leave before Wentz rookie contract ends.
I'm not sticking my head in the sand that the injuries aren't a problem.
Frankly, like a good horse trainer does with a top notch fragile thoroughbred, Doug Pederson must learn to properly use Wentz as needed and not put unnecessary wear and tear on his body. I have strongly criticized Pederson about this since Wentz's first year in the league.
Bottom line, thru thick and thin, Carson Wentz is the Eagles future, not Nick Foles, despite Foles heroics last season and so far this season.
Steve, I never understood your continued hype on Wentz. He was/is not that good. Heck, Daz has better stats and he is just average at best. You need to move on from Wentz....really.
Hype? Come on now. Wentz was the likely league MVP last season before he got injured. What more can I say?
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
@bronco2078 said:
Foles will be the prize this off season . Plenty of teams need a QB and are willing to overpay for one , if he has a strong finish the piggie banks are getting busted open in 4 or 5 cities
I would never root against Nick Foles after what he did for the Eagles, and I won't root against him unless he's playing the Eagles. And you're probably right, some team out there may bust their piggy bank to sign him. But I have to say, based on Foles past performance, that he will not be a good 16 game starting QB in this league.
@bronco2078 said:
Foles will be the prize this off season . Plenty of teams need a QB and are willing to overpay for one , if he has a strong finish the piggie banks are getting busted open in 4 or 5 cities
I would never root against Nick Foles after what he did for the Eagles, and I won't root against him unless he's playing the Eagles. And you're probably right, some team out there may bust their piggy bank to sign him. But I have to say, based on **Wentz's ** past performance, that he will not be a good 16 game starting QB in this league.
Foles took them to the playoffs the one season before he broke his collarbone and got traded by the Chipster. Wentz is yet to bring any big prize home.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
@bronco2078 said:
Foles will be the prize this off season . Plenty of teams need a QB and are willing to overpay for one , if he has a strong finish the piggie banks are getting busted open in 4 or 5 cities
I would never root against Nick Foles after what he did for the Eagles, and I won't root against him unless he's playing the Eagles. And you're probably right, some team out there may bust their piggy bank to sign him. But I have to say, based on **Wentz's ** past performance, that he will not be a good 16 game starting QB in this league.
@bronco2078 said:
Foles will be the prize this off season . Plenty of teams need a QB and are willing to overpay for one , if he has a strong finish the piggie banks are getting busted open in 4 or 5 cities
I would never root against Nick Foles after what he did for the Eagles, and I won't root against him unless he's playing the Eagles. And you're probably right, some team out there may bust their piggy bank to sign him. But I have to say, based on **Wentz's ** past performance, that he will not be a good 16 game starting QB in this league.
See it works both ways
Apples and oranges.
Right , one guy won a super bowl , the other guy has done nothing , and has to stay out of direct sunlight
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
I liked McNabb - I stated that earlier.
"lovechild"...you really are a funny guy. 🤣
You're officially Carson's baby mama going forward....Case Closed
@bronco2078 said:
Foles will be the prize this off season . Plenty of teams need a QB and are willing to overpay for one , if he has a strong finish the piggie banks are getting busted open in 4 or 5 cities
I would never root against Nick Foles after what he did for the Eagles, and I won't root against him unless he's playing the Eagles. And you're probably right, some team out there may bust their piggy bank to sign him. But I have to say, based on **Wentz's ** past performance, that he will not be a good 16 game starting QB in this league.
See it works both ways
Apples and oranges.
Right , one guy won a super bowl , the other guy has done nothing , and has to stay out of direct sunlight
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
I liked McNabb - I stated that earlier.
"lovechild"...you really are a funny guy. 🤣
You're officially Carson's baby mama going forward....Case Closed
Then what does that make you officially to Tom Brady?
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
I liked McNabb - I stated that earlier.
"lovechild"...you really are a funny guy. 🤣
You're officially Carson's baby mama going forward....Case Closed
Then what does that make you officially to Tom Brady?
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
I liked McNabb - I stated that earlier.
"lovechild"...you really are a funny guy. 🤣
You're officially Carson's baby mama going forward....Case Closed
Then what does that make you officially to Tom Brady?
Please, don't even say it. LOL
I don't confess my undying love for Brady like you do with Carson, thats for sure.
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
I liked McNabb - I stated that earlier.
"lovechild"...you really are a funny guy. 🤣
You're officially Carson's baby mama going forward....Case Closed
Then what does that make you officially to Tom Brady?
Please, don't even say it. LOL
I don't confess my undying love for Brady like you do with Carson, thats for sure.
Come on, you were jealous when Gisele married Tom...admit it. LOL
@DIMEMAN said:
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen.
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
I liked McNabb - I stated that earlier.
"lovechild"...you really are a funny guy. 🤣
You're officially Carson's baby mama going forward....Case Closed
Then what does that make you officially to Tom Brady?
Please, don't even say it. LOL
did you see Ted 2?
If there's no -ski on the end of the root word then we'd just be idiots saying nonsense.
if im an Eagles fan and Nick Foles leaves town, i would be ready to fight. go ahead, let him walk. let the best fit for your team go play for someone else and pin your hopes on a guy who is already injury-prone. Philly's execution on offense enters another realm when Foles plays. if you can't see that after the Super Bowl, last week and this week, then it's time for you to stop embarrassing yourself by continuing to blather for the entire world to see.
@BillJones said:
Foles took them to the playoffs the one season before he broke his collarbone and got traded by the Chipster. Wentz is yet to bring any big prize home.
@BillJones said:
Foles took them to the playoffs the one season before he broke his collarbone and got traded by the Chipster. Wentz is yet to bring any big prize home.
The Chipster was a real loser...wasn't he.
The man was a one trick pony who could never make adjustments when the rest of the league figured out his offensive schemes. His theory was that stubbornness could overcome reality. It didn't.
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@galaxy27 said:
if im an Eagles fan and Nick Foles leaves town, i would be ready to fight. go ahead, let him walk. let the best fit for your team go play for someone else and pin your hopes on a guy who is already injury-prone. Philly's execution on offense enters another realm when Foles plays. if you can't see that after the Super Bowl, last week and this week, then it's time for you to stop embarrassing yourself by continuing to blather for the entire world to see.
@BillJones said:
Foles took them to the playoffs the one season before he broke his collarbone and got traded by the Chipster. Wentz is yet to bring any big prize home.
The Chipster was a real loser...wasn't he.
The man was a one trick pony who could never make adjustments when the rest of the league figured out his offensive schemes. His theory was that stubbornness could overcome reality. It didn't.
he beat the patriots from behind and cost us a superbowl when we lost home advantage and lost to denver in denver
@galaxy27 said:
if im an Eagles fan and Nick Foles leaves town, i would be ready to fight. go ahead, let him walk. let the best fit for your team go play for someone else and pin your hopes on a guy who is already injury-prone. Philly's execution on offense enters another realm when Foles plays. if you can't see that after the Super Bowl, last week and this week, then it's time for you to stop embarrassing yourself by continuing to blather for the entire world to see.
I can understand that point of view from a non-Eagles fan standpoint and not knowing the history of Nick Foles.
That being said, virtually all Eagles fans feel the exact same way as I do about the Wentz-Foles situation. In reality, it's a very easy call.
And let's tell it like it is...Andy Reid is one of the best evaluators of quarterback talent in this modern era, that is a fact. And Reid with the Chiefs released Nick Foles after the 2016 season. Case closed.
@galaxy27 said:
if im an Eagles fan and Nick Foles leaves town, i would be ready to fight. go ahead, let him walk. let the best fit for your team go play for someone else and pin your hopes on a guy who is already injury-prone. Philly's execution on offense enters another realm when Foles plays. if you can't see that after the Super Bowl, last week and this week, then it's time for you to stop embarrassing yourself by continuing to blather for the entire world to see.
I can understand that point of view from a non-Eagles fan standpoint and not knowing the history of Nick Foles.
That being said, virtually all Eagles fans are mentally handicapped
And let's tell it like it is...Andy Reid is one of the most over rated also rans who finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory year after year
@galaxy27 said:
if im an Eagles fan and Nick Foles leaves town, i would be ready to fight. go ahead, let him walk. let the best fit for your team go play for someone else and pin your hopes on a guy who is already injury-prone. Philly's execution on offense enters another realm when Foles plays. if you can't see that after the Super Bowl, last week and this week, then it's time for you to stop embarrassing yourself by continuing to blather for the entire world to see.
I can understand that point of view from a non-Eagles fan standpoint and not knowing the history of Nick Foles.
That being said, virtually all Eagles fans are mentally handicapped
And let's tell it like it is...Andy Reid is one of the most over rated also rans who finds a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory year after year
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Reid is a great evaluator of quarterback talent.
And if Reid wins a Super Bowl as head coach, he is likely a lock for the Hall of Fame, despite his faults.
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Mahomes was expected to go late first round,not at 10. That wasn't luck that they got him there,they gave up a first rounder the following year to make sure they moved up quick enough to draft him. They jumped up 17 spots for him.
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Reid the GM could be a genius at talent evaluation but Reid the coach still loses the damn game. So its a paradox , if Reid the GM was so friggin smart why would he let Reid the coach keep his job? Answer is Both andys blow
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Mahomes was expected to go late first round,not at 10. That wasn't luck that they got him there,they gave up a first rounder the following year to make sure they moved up quick enough to draft him.
Yea, the usual "pundits" expected him to go late first round. They are as clueless as some of the GM's in the NFL.
Reid obviously figured some other team was just getting ready to grab Mahomes or he wouldn't have traded up.
There is always luck involved in the NFL draft, but luck favors the prepared.
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Reid the GM could be a genius at talent evaluation but Reid the coach still loses the damn game. So its a paradox , if Reid the GM was so friggin smart why would he let Reid the coach keep his job? Answer is Both andys blow
I don't disagree with your basic premise. However the fact is that Andy Reid is currently at #8 on the all time list of NFL head coaches with the most wins, and still going strong...and that's not chopped liver.
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Mahomes was expected to go late first round,not at 10. That wasn't luck that they got him there,they gave up a first rounder the following year to make sure they moved up quick enough to draft him.
Yea, the usual "pundits" expected him to go late first round. They are as clueless as some of the GM's in the NFL.
Reid obviously figured some other team was just getting ready to grab Mahomes or he wouldn't have traded up.
There is always luck involved in the NFL draft, but luck favors the prepared.
you say "pundit" like its a bad thing. Everyone on this forum is at best two steps below a pundit. Pundit is a paying gig , forum experts would need to pay people to take their advice
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Mahomes was expected to go late first round,not at 10. That wasn't luck that they got him there,they gave up a first rounder the following year to make sure they moved up quick enough to draft him.
Yea, the usual "pundits" expected him to go late first round. They are as clueless as some of the GM's in the NFL.
Reid obviously figured some other team was just getting ready to grab Mahomes or he wouldn't have traded up.
There is always luck involved in the NFL draft, but luck favors the prepared.
you say "pundit" like its a bad thing. Everyone on this forum is at best two steps below a pundit. Pundit is a paying gig , forum experts would need to pay people to take their advice
I agree with ya on that one. LOL
Although Grote is probably around ten steps below. But that's perfectly understandable considering he's been drinking the chemical polluted New York water supply for so many years.
@erikthredd said:
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Mahomes was expected to go late first round,not at 10. That wasn't luck that they got him there,they gave up a first rounder the following year to make sure they moved up quick enough to draft him.
Yea, the usual "pundits" expected him to go late first round. They are as clueless as some of the GM's in the NFL.
Reid obviously figured some other team was just getting ready to grab Mahomes or he wouldn't have traded up.
There is always luck involved in the NFL draft, but luck favors the prepared.
you say "pundit" like its a bad thing. Everyone on this forum is at best two steps below a pundit. Pundit is a paying gig , forum experts would need to pay people to take their advice
I agree with ya on that one. LOL
Although Grote is probably around ten steps below. But that's perfectly understandable considering he's been drinking the chemical polluted New York water supply for so many years.
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i've tossed this around in a jocular manner, but now it's time to get serious. i think Philly's season ends next weekend. i do not think my team is going to deliver a belated Christmas present. i expect Minny to morph into rabid dogs at home with their season on the line. the Bears do in fact have something to play for, but relatively speaking, their motivation will be lukewarm in comparison. and it doesn't help that the game was flexed to the 3:25 CT window, because that's when the Rams will be simultaneously playing the Niners. if LA hops on them early and turns on the jets, the Bears will catch wind. next thing you know, 100% effort will gradually decline. you might even see starters slowly but surely making their way to the sideline. had they kept it a noon game, the inducement would be there throughout because of the unknown later in the day.
i could wildly shake my partisan pom-poms and say we're going to go on the road and smash the Vikes, but a) that's not who i am, and b) that's not at all what i'm feeling. i sincerely hope i'm wrong, because i want the resident Eagles fan who created this thread to have a vested interest come playoff time.
Yes, I would like to see the Eagles get into their “one and out” play-off game, but LA will probably jump on the 49ers early and take the incentive away for the Bears to bear down and win it. About all the Bears will be playing for will be to get a one up on regional rival, but getting ready for their playoff run is far more important.
And if the truth be told, the Eagles kind of don’t deserve to be there. The LA and Houston games gave them some legitimacy, but the two games lost to the Cowboys and other fumbled opportunities make them less than a championship quality team.
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@galaxy27 said:
i've tossed this around in a jocular manner, but now it's time to get serious. i think Philly's season ends next weekend. i do not think my team is going to deliver a belated Christmas present. i expect Minny to morph into rabid dogs at home with their season on the line. the Bears do in fact have something to play for, but relatively speaking, their motivation will be lukewarm in comparison. and it doesn't help that the game was flexed to the 3:25 CT window, because that's when the Rams will be simultaneously playing the Niners. if LA hops on them early and turns on the jets, the Bears will catch wind. next thing you know, 100% effort will gradually decline. you might even see starters slowly but surely making their way to the sideline. had they kept it a noon game, the inducement would be there throughout because of the unknown later in the day.
i could wildly shake my partisan pom-poms and say we're going to go on the road and smash the Vikes, but a) that's not who i am, and b) that's not at all what i'm feeling. i sincerely hope i'm wrong, because i want the resident Eagles fan who created this thread to have a vested interest come playoff time.
Astute analysis, which unfortunately I happen to agree with.
The Eagles had an extraordinary run of good luck last season, but this season the luck is evening out, and probably running out next Sunday.
So this thread will likely be coming to an end soon after next Sunday's games, and I sincerely wish to say that I deep down inside have no complaints about this season. The fantastic 2017 Eagles season is still fresh, and I've come to the realization that the Eagles may not win the Super Bowl every season.
Winning the Super Bowl every other season would be fine.
So here's to the Eagles in 2019, back, hungry again, Carson Wentz healthy again, the team healthy again, hopefully Doug Pederson and the coaching staff smarter and wiser, grab a few free agents to fill some needs, and onward to victory.
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Too bad statwise never translated into the win column. The guy has been in the NFL for three seasons and two of those ended on IR with two different injuries. Better make sure Foles doesn't leave before Wentz rookie contract ends.
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The Eagles starting superstar QB was coming off a brutal ACL tear. Come on now, stop being silly.
Unless Foles is still under contract, I don't know how they can do that.
Sorry Steve......I would take Foles and Barkley over Wentz in a heartbeat. I don't see him doing that great next year.
Yeah so was the Texans superstar QB who is a mobile QB and still had a great season. You can only keep blaming the "brutal injury" for so long. I'm sure that next season we'll hear about how bad his back injury is when they finish 7-9.
All I'm saying is don't let Foles leave.
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I'm not sticking my head in the sand that the injuries aren't a problem.
Frankly, like a good horse trainer does with a top notch fragile thoroughbred, Doug Pederson must learn to properly use Wentz as needed and not put unnecessary wear and tear on his body. I have strongly criticized Pederson about this since Wentz's first year in the league.
Bottom line, thru thick and thin, Carson Wentz is the Eagles future, not Nick Foles, despite Foles heroics last season and so far this season.
Steve, I never understood your continued hype on Wentz. He was/is not that good. Heck, Daz has better stats and he is just average at best. You need to move on from Wentz....really.
Since Wentz cannot stay healthy nor be counted on to stay on the field they probably will keep Foles
This kid Wentz has more guts and heart than almost any NFL player I've ever seen. I think Wentz will heal up and have a great season next year. But if he doesn't, then he doesn't.
We all should understand that without Carson Wentz, the Eagles wouldn't have won the Super Bowl last season. And even if Wentz never throws another TD pass, that Super Bowl championship to me makes his draft pick worth it.
Frankly, since Wentz didn't "win" the Super Bowl game, i think that helps him to still be hungry, work hard, heal up, and progress to next season, so that he can win one, or two, or three in the future that he can then call his own.
Foles will be the prize this off season . Plenty of teams need a QB and are willing to overpay for one , if he has a strong finish the piggie banks are getting busted open in 4 or 5 cities
Hype? Come on now. Wentz was the likely league MVP last season before he got injured. What more can I say?
Lmao you sound like you want to have his lovechild. McNabb throwing four TDs on a broken ankle took more guts and heart than anything Wentz has done to this point.
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I would never root against Nick Foles after what he did for the Eagles, and I won't root against him unless he's playing the Eagles. And you're probably right, some team out there may bust their piggy bank to sign him. But I have to say, based on Foles past performance, that he will not be a good 16 game starting QB in this league.
See it works both ways
Foles took them to the playoffs the one season before he broke his collarbone and got traded by the Chipster. Wentz is yet to bring any big prize home.
I liked McNabb - I stated that earlier.
"lovechild"...you really are a funny guy. 🤣
Apples and oranges.
Right , one guy won a super bowl , the other guy has done nothing , and has to stay out of direct sunlight
Come on Chiefs...win one tonight one time for stevek to at least have a backup plan in case the Vikings win next Sunday.
You're officially Carson's baby mama going forward....Case Closed
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Yea, and Doug Williams was a great quarterback.
Then what does that make you officially to Tom Brady?
Please, don't even say it. LOL
did you see Ted 2?
I don't confess my undying love for Brady like you do with Carson, thats for sure.
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Come on, you were jealous when Gisele married Tom...admit it. LOL
If there's no -ski on the end of the root word then we'd just be idiots saying nonsense.
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if im an Eagles fan and Nick Foles leaves town, i would be ready to fight. go ahead, let him walk. let the best fit for your team go play for someone else and pin your hopes on a guy who is already injury-prone. Philly's execution on offense enters another realm when Foles plays. if you can't see that after the Super Bowl, last week and this week, then it's time for you to stop embarrassing yourself by continuing to blather for the entire world to see.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
The Chipster was a real loser...wasn't he.
The man was a one trick pony who could never make adjustments when the rest of the league figured out his offensive schemes. His theory was that stubbornness could overcome reality. It didn't.
Hate to say it Steve, but g27 is right.
he beat the patriots from behind and cost us a superbowl when we lost home advantage and lost to denver in denver
I can understand that point of view from a non-Eagles fan standpoint and not knowing the history of Nick Foles.
That being said, virtually all Eagles fans feel the exact same way as I do about the Wentz-Foles situation. In reality, it's a very easy call.
And let's tell it like it is...Andy Reid is one of the best evaluators of quarterback talent in this modern era, that is a fact. And Reid with the Chiefs released Nick Foles after the 2016 season. Case closed.
The thing is...…...I never cared for Reid either...….sorry.
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Reid is a great evaluator of quarterback talent.
And if Reid wins a Super Bowl as head coach, he is likely a lock for the Hall of Fame, despite his faults.
Andy Reid didn't re-sign Nick Foles then traded up in the draft for Pat Mahomes in the same offseason. Its safe to say those two moves were connected and the right move for the Chiefs organization.
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Of course Reid had his eye on Pat Mahomes. However since the Chiefs had to trade-up to get the 10th pick in the draft being Mahomes, there was no certainty at all before the draft that the Chiefs would be able to get him.
So releasing Nick Foles in retrospect seems to equate with taking Mahomes. But it certainly had a lot more to do with Reid's negative evaluation of Nick Foles and luckily being able to draft Mahomes at #10 when the other deadhead GM's passed on him.
Mahomes was expected to go late first round,not at 10. That wasn't luck that they got him there,they gave up a first rounder the following year to make sure they moved up quick enough to draft him. They jumped up 17 spots for him.
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Reid the GM could be a genius at talent evaluation but Reid the coach still loses the damn game. So its a paradox , if Reid the GM was so friggin smart why would he let Reid the coach keep his job? Answer is Both andys blow
Yea, the usual "pundits" expected him to go late first round. They are as clueless as some of the GM's in the NFL.
Reid obviously figured some other team was just getting ready to grab Mahomes or he wouldn't have traded up.
There is always luck involved in the NFL draft, but luck favors the prepared.
I don't disagree with your basic premise. However the fact is that Andy Reid is currently at #8 on the all time list of NFL head coaches with the most wins, and still going strong...and that's not chopped liver.
you say "pundit" like its a bad thing. Everyone on this forum is at best two steps below a pundit. Pundit is a paying gig , forum experts would need to pay people to take their advice
I agree with ya on that one. LOL
Although Grote is probably around ten steps below. But that's perfectly understandable considering he's been drinking the chemical polluted New York water supply for so many years.
Andy Reid can't help out the Eagles tonight with a win after all the nice compliments I gave him in this thread? 😠
It's now down to the Eagles winning their game and the Vikings losing their game next Sunday.
Oh well, if the Eagles don't get there, at least I've got the Cowboys and Patriots to root against in the playoffs.🤷
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Looks like Nick Foles might save the Eagles season again
i've tossed this around in a jocular manner, but now it's time to get serious. i think Philly's season ends next weekend. i do not think my team is going to deliver a belated Christmas present. i expect Minny to morph into rabid dogs at home with their season on the line. the Bears do in fact have something to play for, but relatively speaking, their motivation will be lukewarm in comparison. and it doesn't help that the game was flexed to the 3:25 CT window, because that's when the Rams will be simultaneously playing the Niners. if LA hops on them early and turns on the jets, the Bears will catch wind. next thing you know, 100% effort will gradually decline. you might even see starters slowly but surely making their way to the sideline. had they kept it a noon game, the inducement would be there throughout because of the unknown later in the day.
i could wildly shake my partisan pom-poms and say we're going to go on the road and smash the Vikes, but a) that's not who i am, and b) that's not at all what i'm feeling. i sincerely hope i'm wrong, because i want the resident Eagles fan who created this thread to have a vested interest come playoff time.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I don't want the Eagles in the playoffs for obvious reasons.
Yes, I would like to see the Eagles get into their “one and out” play-off game, but LA will probably jump on the 49ers early and take the incentive away for the Bears to bear down and win it. About all the Bears will be playing for will be to get a one up on regional rival, but getting ready for their playoff run is far more important.
And if the truth be told, the Eagles kind of don’t deserve to be there. The LA and Houston games gave them some legitimacy, but the two games lost to the Cowboys and other fumbled opportunities make them less than a championship quality team.
Astute analysis, which unfortunately I happen to agree with.
The Eagles had an extraordinary run of good luck last season, but this season the luck is evening out, and probably running out next Sunday.
So this thread will likely be coming to an end soon after next Sunday's games, and I sincerely wish to say that I deep down inside have no complaints about this season. The fantastic 2017 Eagles season is still fresh, and I've come to the realization that the Eagles may not win the Super Bowl every season.
Winning the Super Bowl every other season would be fine.
So here's to the Eagles in 2019, back, hungry again, Carson Wentz healthy again, the team healthy again, hopefully Doug Pederson and the coaching staff smarter and wiser, grab a few free agents to fill some needs, and onward to victory.