I had a confirmed order from yesterday morning (Thursday), with expedited shipping and credit card tapped...and the order was cancelled minutes ago without explanation.
The one that I ordered on my friend's account this morning is still listed as processing. Clearly there were some for sale this morning as I got one on my friend's account.
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
I had a confirmed order from yesterday morning (Thursday), with expedited shipping and credit card tapped...and the order was cancelled minutes ago without explanation.
The one that I ordered on my friend's account this morning is still listed as processing. Clearly there were some for sale this morning as I got one on my friend's account.
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
Clearly you don't buy much from the Mint. The behavior of this is very typical. It might be weeks or months before they are finally sold out - even if no further coins come up for sale in the interim.
I would also point out that you are assuming facts not in evidence. The coins coming up for sale may have been canceled days earlier, or not canceled at all simply found to have payment problems that could not be resolved. They are still a couple hundred short of sell out, so it's not clear where those coins are in the process.
I still have two processing from a LONG time ago. And one that UPS messed up and returned to the mint without me authorizing. So that one will probably be available one morning, lol.
Thanks to member
Cucamomgacoin. (Mark)
And for the BST forum. Got it !
I had two brothers, my wife , a sister and myself logged in , or on the phone at release time, to no avail.
One per household ....for some other household. I get it.
I had a confirmed order from yesterday morning (Thursday), with expedited shipping and credit card tapped...and the order was cancelled minutes ago without explanation.
The one that I ordered on my friend's account this morning is still listed as processing. Clearly there were some for sale this morning as I got one on my friend's account.
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
Clearly you don't buy much from the Mint. The behavior of this is very typical. It might be weeks or months before they are finally sold out - even if no further coins come up for sale in the interim.
I would also point out that you are assuming facts not in evidence. The coins coming up for sale may have been canceled days earlier, or not canceled at all simply found to have payment problems that could not be resolved. They are still a couple hundred short of sell out, so it's not clear where those coins are in the process.
I bet that a number of the longtime form numbers active on the moderns threads will get a kick out of your assuming that I haven't bought much from the mint.
I've been on the forum for over 10 years. I've primarily had an interest in modern coins. Ive purchased hundreds of thousands of dollars of modern issues from the Mint. As I recall a number of very popular issues have been marked sold out more quickly than this one has. Obviously I assume the few that are offered each morning are from orders canceled for one reason or another. I was simply stating that I would have figured that by now given the interest in this series that it would have settled out and then sold out. It'll be interesting to see how soon that happens.
Nice video, very educational and I like the calmness of his presentation. I too would wonder why someone would send this to NGC for a 70 that would be considered the value of a PCGS 69.
@MilesWaits said:
Nice video, very educational and I like the calmness of his presentation. I too would wonder why someone would send this to NGC for a 70 that would be considered the value of a PCGS 69.
NGC 70's are not selling for the price of PCGS 69's. That's just not true.
I had a confirmed order from yesterday morning (Thursday), with expedited shipping and credit card tapped...and the order was cancelled minutes ago without explanation.
mbers active on the moderns threads will get a kick out of your assuming that I haven't bought much from the mint.
I've been on the forum for over 10 years. I've primarily had an interest in modern coins. Ive purchased hundreds of thousands of dollars of modern issues from the Mint. As I recall a number of very popular issues have been marked sold out more quickly than this one has. Obviously I assume the few that are offered each morning are from orders canceled for one reason or another. I was simply stating that I would have figured that by now given the interest in this series that it would have settled out and then sold out. It'll be interesting to see how soon that happens.
Well then, I'm surprised you haven't noticed. They are rarely that quick to go sold out. They often stay unavailable for a fairly long time before going "sold out".
@Raufus said:
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
I suspect (and it's only a guess on my part), that these small numbers that go up for sale are returns from the shipping company (not from a customer) because of no forwarding addresses, attempted deliveries but returned after no one is available to sign for the package after X attempts, undeliverable as addressed, or other delivery problems.
I assume the Mint would e-mail the customer for verification, but if they don't hear from them, puts them back in inventory. (I am also assuming non-deliveries like these aren't considered returns, because they were never in customer hands.) This would happen over the period of a couple of weeks (or longer if the shipment was overseas.)
I had a confirmed order from yesterday morning (Thursday), with expedited shipping and credit card tapped...and the order was cancelled minutes ago without explanation.
The one that I ordered on my friend's account this morning is still listed as processing. Clearly there were some for sale this morning as I got one on my friend's account.
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
Clearly you don't buy much from the Mint. The behavior of this is very typical. It might be weeks or months before they are finally sold out - even if no further coins come up for sale in the interim.
I would also point out that you are assuming facts not in evidence. The coins coming up for sale may have been canceled days earlier, or not canceled at all simply found to have payment problems that could not be resolved. They are still a couple hundred short of sell out, so it's not clear where those coins are in the process.
You should maybe take a step back from the computer once in a while and review your posts. You often come off impolite and combative, seemingly for no reason at all. I dont know if that is your intention, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice.
@Raufus has been an active member here for years, buying and commenting on most every issue the Mint has to offer. I dont recall your username until recently, so who is actually making assumptions here?
I think he had a valid point. The mint is canceling confirmed orders without rhyme or reason and then selling them the next day. Those are the facts. I can attest to them if you need "evidence." Though we are not in a courtroom. I had two confirmed orders canceled, and then I watched a friend order two the next day and they shipped! No problems with my credit card, and the coins were not going to an address I used previously.
It is just nonsensical US Mint behavior, which I believe we are all in complete agreement.
Nice to get the coins that I got, but it burns me to see later orders honored after my previously confirmed orders are nuked.
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Okay some here are buying more then one coin from the mint we all know that. but let's not get mad at the mint that is doing there job in keeping there word about the HHL.
If you get caught trying to get more then one you are just not as good as the guy that has not been caught. But at least the mint is trying to make every one happy by keeping there word on the HHL.
Some are mad for getting canceled after they have there one it's not the mints problem it the buyers problem the guy or girl trying to get more then one, The mint is not going to tell you how they know you are doing it so maybe one needs to ask the guy that is getting more then one how they are doing it so next time they know how not to get caught if your not happy with your 1 or the HHL.
I have 10 but I paid for them over the mint price and have 1 that's been in my cart for a week now that I cant get done missing the time every day due to work. So I did not get one from the mint so be happy that some of you got more then 1 before getting caught. Maybe I'll get my one now or maybe not that's life.
@Type2 said:
Wow the pop's show 48 PR-69's and over 500 in PR-70 I see the price dropping very soon.
Don't foreseen any drop or much drop, if at all.
Last year's Palladium Eagle has over 3600 graded as PCGS MS70 and the price is still holding steady.
So 15000 MS minted last year with 3600 units graded at $2000 to $2300 todays price in less you have PR like or some crazy label. But now 15000 minted PR with only 554 graded the price will go up? I don't know about that it tells me that there is a lot of them out there to be graded and the price will fall as soon as they hit the market it will be 2 more weeks till we see if they hit the market and see the drop.
I had a confirmed order from yesterday morning (Thursday), with expedited shipping and credit card tapped...and the order was cancelled minutes ago without explanation.
The one that I ordered on my friend's account this morning is still listed as processing. Clearly there were some for sale this morning as I got one on my friend's account.
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
Clearly you don't buy much from the Mint. The behavior of this is very typical. It might be weeks or months before they are finally sold out - even if no further coins come up for sale in the interim.
I would also point out that you are assuming facts not in evidence. The coins coming up for sale may have been canceled days earlier, or not canceled at all simply found to have payment problems that could not be resolved. They are still a couple hundred short of sell out, so it's not clear where those coins are in the process.
You should maybe take a step back from the computer once in a while and review your posts. You often come off impolite and combative, seemingly for no reason at all. I dont know if that is your intention, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice.
@Raufus has been an active member here for years, buying and commenting on most every issue the Mint has to offer. I dont recall your username until recently, so who is actually making assumptions here?
I think he had a valid point. The mint is canceling confirmed orders without rhyme or reason and then selling them the next day. Those are the facts. I can attest to them if you need "evidence." Though we are not in a courtroom. I had two confirmed orders canceled, and then I watched a friend order two the next day and they shipped! No problems with my credit card, and the coins were not going to an address I used previously.
It is just nonsensical US Mint behavior, which I believe we are all in complete agreement.
Nice to get the coins that I got, but it burns me to see later orders honored after my previously confirmed orders are nuked.
You may be inferring something i'm not implying.
The delayed "sold out" is very common even after they stop selling them, which they haven't.
The cancellations bug me BUT it is pure speculation that the coin sold today was canceled yesterday. There is a stream of hundreds of these things coming and going. The coin sold today might have been days or weeks in process.
@jwitten said:
I still have two processing from a LONG time ago. And one that UPS messed up and returned to the mint without me authorizing. So that one will probably be available one morning, lol.
A friend of mine had that also. They noted package refused and sent it back. Buyer is livid. The mint said they will addd them to the waiting list email.
I see L&C Coins have the 69s listed for $2,350.00 and the 70s listed for $3,150.00 on their web site for sale. Don’t see any raw one for sale.
The 70s are pre sale but not the other
@jwitten said:
I still have two processing from a LONG time ago. And one that UPS messed up and returned to the mint without me authorizing. So that one will probably be available one morning, lol.
A friend of mine had that also. They noted package refused and sent it back. Buyer is livid. The mint said they will addd them to the waiting list email.
You mean the waiting list email that often comes out at 9 a.m. after the coins sold out at 7:30 a.m.?
When I speculated that the Eagles may now be gone or extremely close to it...this was the background on my cancelled order:
A “clean” account was used with all original info, including name, email, mailing and shipping addresses, and CC INFO.
The order was confirmed and the CC hit within minutes (with no issues). And on the following day, the order was cancelled. This hasn’t happened to one of my orders in at least 5 years and never after a CC approval.
@Type2 said:
Wow the pop's show 48 PR-69's and over 500 in PR-70 I see the price dropping very soon.
Don't foreseen any drop or much drop, if at all.
Last year's Palladium Eagle has over 3600 graded as PCGS MS70 and the price is still holding steady.
So 15000 MS minted last year with 3600 units graded at $2000 to $2300 todays price in less you have PR like or some crazy label. But now 15000 minted PR with only 554 graded the price will go up? I don't know about that it tells me that there is a lot of them out there to be graded and the price will fall as soon as they hit the market it will be 2 more weeks till we see if they hit the market and see the drop.
You would think that's the case but the MS70s from last year kept jumping up in price every month or 2 till early this summer since released. Even thou "mass" quantities are being graded as such.
@Raufus said:
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
I suspect (and it's only a guess on my part), that these small numbers that go up for sale are returns from the shipping company (not from a customer) because of no forwarding addresses, attempted deliveries but returned after no one is available to sign for the package after X attempts, undeliverable as addressed, or other delivery problems.
I assume the Mint would e-mail the customer for verification, but if they don't hear from them, puts them back in inventory. (I am also assuming non-deliveries like these aren't considered returns, because they were never in customer hands.) This would happen over the period of a couple of weeks (or longer if the shipment was overseas.)
Anyone want to file a FOIA?
Thanks. It would certainly make sense that this could account for some of them.
I had a confirmed order from yesterday morning (Thursday), with expedited shipping and credit card tapped...and the order was cancelled minutes ago without explanation.
The one that I ordered on my friend's account this morning is still listed as processing. Clearly there were some for sale this morning as I got one on my friend's account.
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
Clearly you don't buy much from the Mint. The behavior of this is very typical. It might be weeks or months before they are finally sold out - even if no further coins come up for sale in the interim.
I would also point out that you are assuming facts not in evidence. The coins coming up for sale may have been canceled days earlier, or not canceled at all simply found to have payment problems that could not be resolved. They are still a couple hundred short of sell out, so it's not clear where those coins are in the process.
You should maybe take a step back from the computer once in a while and review your posts. You often come off impolite and combative, seemingly for no reason at all. I dont know if that is your intention, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice.
@Raufus has been an active member here for years, buying and commenting on most every issue the Mint has to offer. I dont recall your username until recently, so who is actually making assumptions here?
I think he had a valid point. The mint is canceling confirmed orders without rhyme or reason and then selling them the next day. Those are the facts. I can attest to them if you need "evidence." Though we are not in a courtroom. I had two confirmed orders canceled, and then I watched a friend order two the next day and they shipped! No problems with my credit card, and the coins were not going to an address I used previously.
It is just nonsensical US Mint behavior, which I believe we are all in complete agreement.
Nice to get the coins that I got, but it burns me to see later orders honored after my previously confirmed orders are nuked.
I'll have to admit that I'm also somewhat puzzled about the way the Mint processes their orders. I've had a coin in my shopping bag for days now, and just today I was able to place the order in time, only to find out that I'd met the HH limit with the other coin I'd bought previously.
I'm sure there is some cross-indexing going on with the addresses, names and credit cards but there are enough variables and permutations that it will take some methodical testing to find out the real answers.
The coin I did receive was simply...……..awesome. I didn't think I'd be that impressed, but I am, with this coin. I predict that a collector base will form if they keep producing it.
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Nice to get the coins that I got, but it burns me to see later orders honored after my previously confirmed orders are nuked.
Hmmm.... the Mint canceled your illegal order violating the HHL and you are calling that nonsensical?
I'm sorry, is that too combative?
I did get two. If I were running the Mint, I would have only gotten one. It really shouldn't be that hard to verify CC address and then use that and CC name. You might have a work CC and work address, and you could get 2. But people sending coins all over to their relatives using their own CC's and fake billing addresses would end.
I'll have to admit that I'm also somewhat puzzled about the way the Mint processes their orders. I've had a coin in my shopping bag for days now, and just today I was able to place the order in time, only to find out that I'd met the HH limit with the other coin I'd bought previously.
I'm sure there is some cross-indexing going on with the addresses, names and credit cards but there are enough variables and permutations that it will take some methodical testing to find out the real answers.
The coin I did receive was simply...……..awesome. I didn't think I'd be that impressed, but I am, with this coin. I predict that a collector base will form if they keep producing it.
I've been trying to figure what the answer is to my happiness with this Coin. I mean, this Coin has done nothing but elevate my mood from the time I broke it out of the super tough shipping box. Sell it ? Not even an option. This is a Talisman. A Charm. A Magical Charm that is better than a Pound of Powdered Rhino Horn. The Mint has hit a grand slam walk off homer with this one. They keep this up , the Trump will soon erase the National Debt.
I'll have to admit that I'm also somewhat puzzled about the way the Mint processes their orders. I've had a coin in my shopping bag for days now, and just today I was able to place the order in time, only to find out that I'd met the HH limit with the other coin I'd bought previously.
I'm sure there is some cross-indexing going on with the addresses, names and credit cards but there are enough variables and permutations that it will take some methodical testing to find out the real answers.
The coin I did receive was simply...……..awesome. I didn't think I'd be that impressed, but I am, with this coin. I predict that a collector base will form if they keep producing it.
@jmski52 said:
I don't think they came up this morning.
Will b interesting to c if they do tomorrow.
Hard to predict with all the coins bought/canceled. Rebought? Recanceled? LOL
I'm not even sure about the timeline on their sales numbers. They were a hair over 200 short of the max last Sunday, but does that total include coins that were subsequently canceled? We'll find out something on Tuesday. I wouldn't be surprised if the total sale number barely moves from last week.
Similarly, the reverse proof set has been inching toward sell out for weeks. Single digits popped up most days this week. [You can see the number for these because no HHL.] None popped up Friday and Saturday and then 17 popped up this morning.
And, of course, if you remember the Enhanced Uncirculated coins last year. They went from 225,000 sold down to about 180,000 sold, back up to 215,000 sold where they sat for months before they declared it "sold out". I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar pattern here where they stay unavailable for a few weeks until the final declaration. They never go straight to Sold Out for some reason, even if they are at the max. I supposed they are waiting for returns??? Although they do get there faster if they are at the max.
[Which is what I was trying to suggest in my comment that your friends find so abrasive. It was not meant as a criticism, just an observation of Mint behavior in recent years.]
@jmski52 said:
I don't think they came up this morning.
Will b interesting to c if they do tomorrow.
Hard to predict with all the coins bought/canceled. Rebought? Recanceled? LOL
I'm not even sure about the timeline on their sales numbers. They were a hair over 200 short of the max last Sunday, but does that total include coins that were subsequently canceled? We'll find out something on Tuesday. I wouldn't be surprised if the total sale number barely moves from last week.
Similarly, the reverse proof set has been inching toward sell out for weeks. Single digits popped up most days this week. [You can see the number for these because no HHL.] None popped up Friday and Saturday and then 17 popped up this morning.
And, of course, if you remember the Enhanced Uncirculated coins last year. They went from 225,000 sold down to about 180,000 sold, back up to 215,000 sold where they sat for months before they declared it "sold out". I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar pattern here where they stay unavailable for a few weeks until the final declaration. They never go straight to Sold Out for some reason, even if they are at the max. I supposed they are waiting for returns??? Although they do get there faster if they are at the max.
[Which is what I was trying to suggest in my comment that your friends find so abrasive. It was not meant as a criticism, just an observation of Mint behavior in recent years.]
Thanks for the clarification regarding the prior comments
Sure hope it's not game over for these after apparently not opening at all this morning. Still more fun to be had I'm hoping.
Nice to get the coins that I got, but it burns me to see later orders honored after my previously confirmed orders are nuked.
Hmmm.... the Mint canceled your illegal order violating the HHL and you are calling that nonsensical?
I'm sorry, is that too combative?
"My illegal order?!" Seriously? Have I committed a crime? Lol
Who do you think is getting online at 730am to place orders every morning?
People are flipping these, my friend. Try and keep up.
You, yourself said that you bought two, committing (dare I say it?) an illegal act!
It is hypocritical to come on with this "holier than thou" attitude about how things would be done if you were running things at the mint. Hysterical, really.
No sour grapes for me, guys. As I said before, I'm thankful for the coin I received. But I do not understand the reasoning behind canceling a confirmed order that is already PAID FOR and going to a SEPARATE household (which is their rule, not mine.) Especially when they then let somebody else purchase multiple coins on a date after that. Just doesnt make sense.
Nor does it make sense that people come on here, talking about how they bought 10 coins on the aftermarket and then criticize those who purchased from the Mint with friends and family for resale as "greedy."
Is the "collector" with 10 coins keeping them all? Probably not, but why should we even care? I dont..
We are all conducting business here, and everyone had and has the same opportunity to order from the Mint. Or you can pay more on the secondary market, if you will lose sleep over such immorality.
All jest aside, this was a fun offering from the Mint. Made me feel like we were back in the good ol days, circa 2006-2008, when everything from the Mint was on fire. I was able to add a lot to my collection just by reselling those coins immediately after purchase.
For anyone with modest means, this too was an opportunity.
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
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The one that I ordered on my friend's account this morning is still listed as processing. Clearly there were some for sale this morning as I got one on my friend's account.
Some aspects of this whole thing make absolutely no sense. Why some orders get canceled with no reason and then the coins are back up for sale the next day is bizzare.
It's pretty amazing to me that these are still coming up in the morning. I would have thought they'd been long since sold out and listed as sold out not on available on the site.
Clearly you don't buy much from the Mint. The behavior of this is very typical. It might be weeks or months before they are finally sold out - even if no further coins come up for sale in the interim.
I would also point out that you are assuming facts not in evidence. The coins coming up for sale may have been canceled days earlier, or not canceled at all simply found to have payment problems that could not be resolved. They are still a couple hundred short of sell out, so it's not clear where those coins are in the process.
I still have two processing from a LONG time ago. And one that UPS messed up and returned to the mint without me authorizing. So that one will probably be available one morning, lol.
Thanks to member
Cucamomgacoin. (Mark)
And for the BST forum. Got it !
I had two brothers, my wife , a sister and myself logged in , or on the phone at release time, to no avail.
One per household ....for some other household. I get it.
I bet that a number of the longtime form numbers active on the moderns threads will get a kick out of your assuming that I haven't bought much from the mint.
I've been on the forum for over 10 years. I've primarily had an interest in modern coins. Ive purchased hundreds of thousands of dollars of modern issues from the Mint. As I recall a number of very popular issues have been marked sold out more quickly than this one has. Obviously I assume the few that are offered each morning are from orders canceled for one reason or another. I was simply stating that I would have figured that by now given the interest in this series that it would have settled out and then sold out. It'll be interesting to see how soon that happens.
Nice video, very educational and I like the calmness of his presentation. I too would wonder why someone would send this to NGC for a 70 that would be considered the value of a PCGS 69.
NGC 70's are not selling for the price of PCGS 69's. That's just not true.
The last ngc 70 sold for $3,125.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-W-1-oz-25-Proof-Palladium-Eagle-NGC-PF70-ULTRA-CAM-EARLY-RELEASE/192660179960?hash=item2cdb710bf8:g:kB4AAOSwUVBblbUK
The last pcgs 69 sold for $2,200 (check actual accepted price on watchcount.com)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-W-25-Palladium-Eagle-PCGS-PR69DCAM-FIRST-STRIKE-IN-HAND-READY-TO-SHIP-/292738312114?hash=item44289027b2:g:zgAAAOSwyPlbpamO&nma=true&si=EGomZuW7UXHEQ3QxapCwh1t8izI%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Wow the pop's show 48 PR-69's and over 500 in PR-70 I see the price dropping very soon.
Hoard the keys.
mbers active on the moderns threads will get a kick out of your assuming that I haven't bought much from the mint.
Well then, I'm surprised you haven't noticed. They are rarely that quick to go sold out. They often stay unavailable for a fairly long time before going "sold out".
Was that the total between all the grading companies, because the PCGS has them at 26 PR-69's and 214 in PR-70 as of 9-22?
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I suspect (and it's only a guess on my part), that these small numbers that go up for sale are returns from the shipping company (not from a customer) because of no forwarding addresses, attempted deliveries but returned after no one is available to sign for the package after X attempts, undeliverable as addressed, or other delivery problems.
I assume the Mint would e-mail the customer for verification, but if they don't hear from them, puts them back in inventory. (I am also assuming non-deliveries like these aren't considered returns, because they were never in customer hands.) This would happen over the period of a couple of weeks (or longer if the shipment was overseas.)
Anyone want to file a FOIA?
You should maybe take a step back from the computer once in a while and review your posts. You often come off impolite and combative, seemingly for no reason at all. I dont know if that is your intention, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice.
@Raufus has been an active member here for years, buying and commenting on most every issue the Mint has to offer. I dont recall your username until recently, so who is actually making assumptions here?
I think he had a valid point. The mint is canceling confirmed orders without rhyme or reason and then selling them the next day. Those are the facts. I can attest to them if you need "evidence." Though we are not in a courtroom. I had two confirmed orders canceled, and then I watched a friend order two the next day and they shipped! No problems with my credit card, and the coins were not going to an address I used previously.
It is just nonsensical US Mint behavior, which I believe we are all in complete agreement.
Nice to get the coins that I got, but it burns me to see later orders honored after my previously confirmed orders are nuked.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
No looking at my grades and saw it here.
Hoard the keys.
Don't foreseen any drop or much drop, if at all.
Last year's Palladium Eagle has over 3600 graded as PCGS MS70 and the price is still holding steady.
Okay some here are buying more then one coin from the mint we all know that. but let's not get mad at the mint that is doing there job in keeping there word about the HHL.
If you get caught trying to get more then one you are just not as good as the guy that has not been caught. But at least the mint is trying to make every one happy by keeping there word on the HHL.
Some are mad for getting canceled after they have there one it's not the mints problem it the buyers problem the guy or girl trying to get more then one, The mint is not going to tell you how they know you are doing it so maybe one needs to ask the guy that is getting more then one how they are doing it so next time they know how not to get caught if your not happy with your 1 or the HHL.
I have 10 but I paid for them over the mint price and have 1 that's been in my cart for a week now that I cant get done missing the time every day due to work. So I did not get one from the mint so be happy that some of you got more then 1 before getting caught. Maybe I'll get my one now or maybe not that's life.
Don't think she will ever do this again.
Hoard the keys.
So 15000 MS minted last year with 3600 units graded at $2000 to $2300 todays price in less you have PR like or some crazy label. But now 15000 minted PR with only 554 graded the price will go up? I don't know about that it tells me that there is a lot of them out there to be graded and the price will fall as soon as they hit the market it will be 2 more weeks till we see if they hit the market and see the drop.
Hoard the keys.
You may be inferring something i'm not implying.
Thank you Type2 I was looking at a different PCGS total.
A friend of mine had that also. They noted package refused and sent it back. Buyer is livid. The mint said they will addd them to the waiting list email.
I see L&C Coins have the 69s listed for $2,350.00 and the 70s listed for $3,150.00 on their web site for sale. Don’t see any raw one for sale.
The 70s are pre sale but not the other
You mean the waiting list email that often comes out at 9 a.m. after the coins sold out at 7:30 a.m.?
These may have peaked. Raw prices seem to be at $2300 after reaching $2400 earlier in the week. I'm calling $1900 by Christmas.
When I speculated that the Eagles may now be gone or extremely close to it...this was the background on my cancelled order:
A “clean” account was used with all original info, including name, email, mailing and shipping addresses, and CC INFO.
The order was confirmed and the CC hit within minutes (with no issues). And on the following day, the order was cancelled. This hasn’t happened to one of my orders in at least 5 years and never after a CC approval.
And that’s when I posted.
Still going strong another raw going to be done on Ebay. 1 hour left at $2,353.00 @ 15 bids viewers watching ?___
https://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Eagle-2018-One-Ounce-Palladium-Proof-Coin-IN-HAND-Item-18EK/232929288620?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
5 minutes. $2,378.00 It's a fight to the finish
SOLD SOLD TO THE HIGH BIDDER $2,378.00. CONGRADULATIONS. NEXT!!!!
You would think that's the case but the MS70s from last year kept jumping up in price every month or 2 till early this summer since released. Even thou "mass" quantities are being graded as such.
Just an observation.
Hurry Hurry Hurry APMEX has the First Strike BLACK LABEL AVAILABLE @ $ 3,795.00 Hurry Hurry Hurry Pre-Sale Available Oct 5th!
https://www.apmex.com/product/152862/2018-w-1-oz-proof-palladium-american-eagle-pr-70-pcgs-fs-black?utm_source=TransactionalEmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=AlertMe
Hurry! Hurry! Hurry! Before they sell out!
One I just rec back today, Thanks to this board. Thank you every one for keeping your word.
Will go good with her sister.
Hoard the keys.
For two weekends, HSN has been peddling ANACS 70s for $3,999. For a while, they had NGC 70s at the same price.
Congrats Type2!!! Beautiful!
Thanks. It would certainly make sense that this could account for some of them.
Thanks DCW. Much appreciated.
Hi Raufus, glad to see you.
I'll have to admit that I'm also somewhat puzzled about the way the Mint processes their orders. I've had a coin in my shopping bag for days now, and just today I was able to place the order in time, only to find out that I'd met the HH limit with the other coin I'd bought previously.
I'm sure there is some cross-indexing going on with the addresses, names and credit cards but there are enough variables and permutations that it will take some methodical testing to find out the real answers.
The coin I did receive was simply...……..awesome. I didn't think I'd be that impressed, but I am, with this coin. I predict that a collector base will form if they keep producing it.
I knew it would happen.
Another raw coin ( I think) He has a NGC picture in it but I think its raw coming up in 2 hours + 14 minutes $2,325.00 3 bids
https://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Eagle-2018-One-Ounce-Palladium-Proof-Coin-Confirmed-Order-Delivery/401599952939?_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=1&asc=20131231084308&meid=da712b66979443d1b6812fb754a88bb9&pid=100010&rk=11&rkt=12&sd=223154414929&itm=401599952939&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
mplete agreement.
Hmmm.... the Mint canceled your illegal order violating the HHL and you are calling that nonsensical?
I'm sorry, is that too combative?
I did get two. If I were running the Mint, I would have only gotten one. It really shouldn't be that hard to verify CC address and then use that and CC name. You might have a work CC and work address, and you could get 2. But people sending coins all over to their relatives using their own CC's and fake billing addresses would end.
I've been trying to figure what the answer is to my happiness with this Coin. I mean, this Coin has done nothing but elevate my mood from the time I broke it out of the super tough shipping box. Sell it ? Not even an option. This is a Talisman. A Charm. A Magical Charm that is better than a Pound of Powdered Rhino Horn. The Mint has hit a grand slam walk off homer with this one. They keep this up , the Trump will soon erase the National Debt.
Hi jmski52. Great to c u too!!
Did they come up at all this morning? I didn't c them available. May have missed them if only a few seconds.
I don't think they came up this morning.
I knew it would happen.
Will b interesting to c if they do tomorrow.
Hard to predict with all the coins bought/canceled. Rebought? Recanceled? LOL
I'm not even sure about the timeline on their sales numbers. They were a hair over 200 short of the max last Sunday, but does that total include coins that were subsequently canceled? We'll find out something on Tuesday. I wouldn't be surprised if the total sale number barely moves from last week.
Similarly, the reverse proof set has been inching toward sell out for weeks. Single digits popped up most days this week. [You can see the number for these because no HHL.] None popped up Friday and Saturday and then 17 popped up this morning.
And, of course, if you remember the Enhanced Uncirculated coins last year. They went from 225,000 sold down to about 180,000 sold, back up to 215,000 sold where they sat for months before they declared it "sold out". I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar pattern here where they stay unavailable for a few weeks until the final declaration. They never go straight to Sold Out for some reason, even if they are at the max. I supposed they are waiting for returns??? Although they do get there faster if they are at the max.
[Which is what I was trying to suggest in my comment that your friends find so abrasive. It was not meant as a criticism, just an observation of Mint behavior in recent years.]
I hope that they keep coming up so I can continue testing the ways an order can be rejected.
I knew it would happen.
Beau-ti-ful coin Type2!!!! Superb with her sister too!
$ 2,100 offer to buy on BST.. tops the 2017 MS version...…... still higher...……. dealer friend gets several calls a week with people looking to buy
Thanks for the clarification regarding the prior comments
Sure hope it's not game over for these after apparently not opening at all this morning. Still more fun to be had I'm hoping.
"My illegal order?!" Seriously? Have I committed a crime? Lol
Who do you think is getting online at 730am to place orders every morning?
People are flipping these, my friend. Try and keep up.
You, yourself said that you bought two, committing (dare I say it?) an illegal act!
It is hypocritical to come on with this "holier than thou" attitude about how things would be done if you were running things at the mint. Hysterical, really.
No sour grapes for me, guys. As I said before, I'm thankful for the coin I received. But I do not understand the reasoning behind canceling a confirmed order that is already PAID FOR and going to a SEPARATE household (which is their rule, not mine.) Especially when they then let somebody else purchase multiple coins on a date after that. Just doesnt make sense.
Nor does it make sense that people come on here, talking about how they bought 10 coins on the aftermarket and then criticize those who purchased from the Mint with friends and family for resale as "greedy."
Is the "collector" with 10 coins keeping them all? Probably not, but why should we even care? I dont..
We are all conducting business here, and everyone had and has the same opportunity to order from the Mint. Or you can pay more on the secondary market, if you will lose sleep over such immorality.
All jest aside, this was a fun offering from the Mint. Made me feel like we were back in the good ol days, circa 2006-2008, when everything from the Mint was on fire. I was able to add a lot to my collection just by reselling those coins immediately after purchase.
For anyone with modest means, this too was an opportunity.
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