Important announcement: Guy writing bad checks IN JAIL 3/9/2011 !!!

PQpeace · October 19, 2010 10:27AM

I don't usually post things like this,but if the guys who got burned before me made it known,I would not be out $14,044.

On 9/7/10 I received a nice online order for $14,044.
It was for 11 morgan dollars.
I check came a few days later,which was nice,but I had a bad feeling about this guy.
I called the bank...B of A...who would not tell me if the check was good or bad..against their policy.
I went to my bank..Chase,and asked how long before we knew if the check was good..The teller said 2 days..
Just to be safe,I waited 5 days.I heard nothing,and online everything looked good.
I sent the coins on the 6th day,and on the 7th,I found out that the check was bad.It said "refer to maker"
I had words with my bank manager,as he told me "tellers don't know anything.They just process paper.
He learned a few new words from me..

Now I need to deal with this crook,and put him in jail.
I called the police,and FBI,and they want as much information as I can get on this guy.

I know there is at least 1 board member that took a bad check from him,and maybe more.

I had a friend ask on CCE if anyone had gotten a bad check from this guy,and 5 guys chimed in.
If only one of those dealers had posted that this dude was bad,5-6 others would not be in this mess now.

Here is the info as it pertains to me..

Buyer:
Todd Davis or Todd Young
A.V Productions.
362 southwest drive #135
Jonesboro,AR 72401

bad check

Email Todd@bigmanmotors.com
ph # 901-483-8071

New info just came in from my partner Steve when he ripped him off in 2005:
Todd Young
#143, 405 SW Drive, Suite A
Jonesboro, AR 72401

Check drawn on LaSalle Bank..bought out by Bof A.

I talked to him once on the phone,and he sounded like a nice guy.
Via email,he made up a bunch of storries about why the check bounced.
I now need to do what I need to do...I may take a trip to his hometown,and have a talk with him

Here is a list of coins that he "stole" from me.

1878cc 65pl pcgs 10310343
1878-s 64dm ngc 243946-001
1880-cc 8/7 ms65 pcgs 50213174
81s ms67 pc 18244597
82s ms67 pc 18244619
83cc 64dmpl pc 21789587
84cc ms66 pc 3757544
84s au55 pc 16228622
85o ms67 cac pc 06716653
88o ms65pl pc 14817804
89p ms66 pc 50161900

I have heard that the same person,in the same city has used another name to do the same thing.

If anybody has any information about this person,please let me know.
I do not want him to do this to anybody else if I can help it.
Thanks for reading,and spread the word.

Thanks,
Larry

YogiBerraFan · October 19, 2010 10:36AM

Wow, that sucks! I hope it all works out for you in a reasonable amount of time.

coinguy1 · October 19, 2010 10:38AM

Larry, call me at the phone number I just left for you on your voice mail. If it is the guy I suspect, I might be able to be of some assistance.

Bochiman · October 19, 2010 10:42AM

Sorry to hear that!

For something that large, I would have sent registered, and likely, if I didn't know the person, restricted delivery.
That way, I would have maybe had the opportunity to have the post office help stop the mail.

mrearlygold · October 19, 2010 10:42AM

Sorry to hear that Larry, the scumbag that tried to rip us off also placed an order online used Bank of America who as far as I'm concerned should be investigated for not even helping in these matters with their checks. I don't know how to find the thread I started on this but I also posted a picture of this dirtbags checks.. I started a thread a couple years ago Larry AND he was in Texas, although he also placed an order from Arkansas.

I personally took 3 more of that guys checks to Bank of America who after 10 minutes of sitting and staring at the checks like the moron that she is ( this was the VP of BofA on Tamiami Trail ), said "what exactly would you like for us to do for you "Tom" " I asked, howzabout telling me if your customer wrote a good check or a bad check for starters to which this imbecile said " what state is it from? How can I tell which bank it's been drawn on"?

Yup

We were able to intercept the express mail also no thanks to the postal inspectors or the fbi. One lone postal worker here who opened the place up for me ( it wasn't opened yet but she was there) we would have been burned. Not as bad as you Larry. Believe me, we get similar looking BofAmerica checks now and they go in the deep freeze until theres no doubt.

Dang, sorry to hear it Larry

savoyspecial · October 19, 2010 10:44AM

wow, sorry to hear this happened

'Todd Davis' might be a popular fake name used these days by pranksters (isnt that the name of the LifeLock guy that gives his SS# on the commercials?)

BAJJERFAN · October 19, 2010 10:46AM

Unless you sent them Express mail, was there no time to recall the shipment? Sounds like another good reason to use registered.

mrpaseo · October 19, 2010 10:47AM

<< A class action lawsuit alleges that as of 2008, there are at least 25 people using Todd Davis' social security number and that the advertising claims are misleading. The Company has responded demonstrating that the 25 alleged identity thieves are public records of failed attempts to use Todd Davis' identity. >>

Todd Davis... CEO

This guy is from Phoenix... AZ. He is the guy that posts his Social Security Number all over the TV... Could this be the same guy? Or someone that stole his identity? (It's already happened over a dozen times (So the news tells us).

Sorry, and I hope you get this guy... and your coins back.

Ray

MsMorrisine · October 19, 2010 10:48AM

The good news is that you have a working ph#, whether or not it is a cell.

yellowkid · October 19, 2010 10:53AM

<< wow, sorry to hear this happened

'Todd Davis' might be a popular fake name used these days by pranksters (isnt that the name of the LifeLock guy that gives his SS# on the commercials?) >>

I was sitting here thinking that name is familiar.... Sorry Larry, hope they get him.

CB2597 · October 19, 2010 10:55AM

Larry let the police/feds handle this matter... don't go into his hometown/territory. He might just be desperate enough to do something "Stupid"...who knows since you really don't know anything about this guy except his voice and he writes bad checks. Your life is worth more than that amount right? Just my unsolicited two cents.

lkeigwin · October 19, 2010 11:00AM

Sorry to hear that Larry. The dirtbag.

I blame the bank too. It happened to me back in 1999, different sc**bag. The check was from a bank in FL for a $3g piece. I took it to my bank and said "how will I know when this clears?" The genius behind the desk said "You won't get a bounced check." Huh? "When won't I get a bounced check?" He looked at me like I was nuts. "Give it 7 business days, to be safe".

I waited 10 business days, no bounce, mailed the coin. Two days later I got the bounce notice. Seems the bank tried putting it through twice, hence the delay. I wrote and called the State Attorney General's office, Postal Inspector, even the local sheriff's dept. No help. Nothing. My bank of 20 years shrugged its shoulders.

I should have taken my redneck brother-in-law up on his offer to have some friends pay the thief a visit.
Lance.

customroll · October 19, 2010 11:02AM

Sorry this happened to you, and I know hind site is always 20/20 but..................................if a person sends me a large check and I do not know that person (screw references), I always put the check "in for collection" at my bank. That means nothing happens until my bank receives the funds from his bank. Then, and only then would I ship the package.
Always control the situation, never let the situation control you.

MsMorrisine · October 19, 2010 11:10AM

Tis true... Bank of America is one of very few.... only one I can recall right now.... that does not do merchant check verification for people.

LAME!

Dog97 · October 19, 2010 11:18AM

B of A...that's the one in the news lately that stole all the homes from their customers.
Sorry man, that hurts! Thanks for the heads up. Hope you catch the scumbag.

Hendrixkat · October 19, 2010 11:20AM

Larry - you need to contact the local police department in Arkansas where Todd Davis lives or where you mailed the coins to him at and relay all of this to them. They can goto him personally and launch an investigation. Please do not personally try to deal with this guy as he could be dangerous and armed.

Jonesboro Police Department
410 West Washington Avenue
Jonesboro, AR 72401
(870) 935-5553

pennyannie · October 19, 2010 11:26AM

Good luck and i hope you get this resolved, but unless you get lucky the police will be of little help.

savoyspecial · October 19, 2010 11:27AM

this might be an alt mailing addy for him, and additional ph# (or fax line)

po box 1265. Marion, AR 72364. US +1.9014838077

PQpeace · October 19, 2010 11:28AM

I have just heard that he also goes by the name Todd Young...

Trust me,this will never happen to me again.
I want to make sure it doesn't happen to any other coin dealers,or board members.

I do blame at least half of it on my bank,and I am working to get the manager replaced just for the way he treated me after it happened.

Thanks for all the phone calls,and emails with your info..
Larry

robkool · October 19, 2010 11:34AM

OUCH !!! Hope it ends well... This guy needs to be caught before he inflicts more damage. Always make sure that check clears before sending out any items.

PQpeace · October 19, 2010 11:35AM

I just got this email :
from :
Archie Arnold-Wynen archiearnold1@gmail.com
Obvious whoever wrote this is a board member..

I stole your coins and I am damn proud of it, Larry. You will NOT be getting your money and I will gladly crack out each and every one of these coins and sell them raw at my next show. Suckers like you are born every day and you you just fold up shop, good for the rest of us. You're a wanna-be!

-Todd

Bochiman · October 19, 2010 11:36AM

That is TOTALLY uncool and if it is a board member, then I hope they get exposed and BOOTED!

fishcooker · October 19, 2010 11:56AM

Interesting. Lots of fear in his email, and perhaps there should be. If someone gets $14000-worth of his hide, there won't be anything left. That'd be a good thing.

JapanJohn · October 19, 2010 12:31PM

<< I just got this email :
from :
Archie Arnold-Wynen archiearnold1@gmail.com
Obvious whoever wrote this is a board member..

I stole your coins and I am damn proud of it, Larry. You will NOT be getting your money and I will gladly crack out each and every one of these coins and sell them raw at my next show. Suckers like you are born every day and you you just fold up shop, good for the rest of us. You're a wanna-be!

-Todd >>

Go into your email turn on the "Source" or "Headers" and get the originating IP address. Then see if PCGS's Info Tech's or web site manager can check the logs and see who the goof is who wrote that. Also you can go to ARIN WHOIS and email the administrator of that IP range.

Once some years ago I knew a girl who was getting rape and death threats and she was getting nowhere. I got the originating IP address and sent it to the admin of that IP range who promptly responded "Can't help you."

I emailed back and said "Can a hundred dollars buy me some help". Thirty minutes later I had a name and address of the dude who had the account. Thirty minutes after that the cops had it. Next day the dude was in jail.

John

ecichlid · October 19, 2010 12:40PM

<< I just got this email :
from :
Archie Arnold-Wynen archiearnold1@gmail.com
Obvious whoever wrote this is a board member..

I stole your coins and I am damn proud of it, Larry. You will NOT be getting your money and I will gladly crack out each and every one of these coins and sell them raw at my next show. Suckers like you are born every day and you you just fold up shop, good for the rest of us. You're a wanna-be!

-Todd >>

You have his attention and he is scared. Continue to take action. Let him know you will only turn off the pressure after you get the coins back and not any sooner.

coinguy1 · October 19, 2010 12:43PM

<< I just got this email :
from :
Archie Arnold-Wynen archiearnold1@gmail.com
Obvious whoever wrote this is a board member..

I stole your coins and I am damn proud of it, Larry. You will NOT be getting your money and I will gladly crack out each and every one of these coins and sell them raw at my next show. Suckers like you are born every day and you you just fold up shop, good for the rest of us. You're a wanna-be!

-Todd >>

My bet is that the person who sent that email is NOT the same person who has your coins. But rather, it's a different person trying to get his jollies by being a cruel jerk.

PQpeace · October 19, 2010 12:49PM

You are right Mark,but the cruel jerk will get his also...

When I get Pi**ed,

ARCO · October 19, 2010 12:50PM

So sorry to hear about the bad check. It is frustrating, maddening, and enough to make a guy drive a long distance with a bat. Writing a bad check over $5,000 is theft of services and a felony I do believe. You can contact the police department in his area and a local detective to get him tasked to it.

If the buyer doesn't have a cashier's check to you overnighted, I would be on it first thing.

And...next time you have a gut feeling about a buyer, wait 10 days, or more. Wait ten days or more even if you don't!!

Tyler

rkfish · October 19, 2010 12:51PM

Todd Young/Davis..........if you are by chance reading this thread do you remember me from 2005 where I sent you a check for a group of coins you had for sale? you cashed the check, and I never got the coins?

do you remember PQDOLLARS?

do you remember taking a year to repay that debt (something about a gambling problem) after some "prodding" on my end?

do you remember that I have 28 years in law enforcement? tracking/serving outstanding warrants was my speciality?

do you know that Larry is an ex business partner that I hold in high regard in the industry?

do you know what it's like to look over your shoulder everywhere you go and wonder who may be behind you?

do you know that there is nothing I enjoy more than going on a good hunting trip?

you understand the "thrill" of getting 14k for a few hours work/fun? right? so will I, soon......but I'll do it for FREE!

rkfish · October 19, 2010 12:54PM

My bet is that the person who sent that email is NOT the same person who has your coins. But rather, it's a different person trying to get his jollies by being a cruel jerk.

I agree.

ARCO · October 19, 2010 12:54PM

<< Todd Young/Davis..........if you are by chance reading this thread do you remember me from 2005 where I sent you a check for a group of coins you had for sale? you cashed the check, and I never got the coins?

do you remember PQDOLLARS?

do you remember taking a year to repay that debt (something about a gambling problem) after some "prodding" on my end?

do you remember that I have 28 years in law enforcement? tracking/serving outstanding warrants was my speciality?

do you know that Larry is an ex business partner that I hold in high regard in the industry?

do you know what it's like to look over your shoulder everywhere you go and wonder who may be behind you?

do you know that there is nothing I enjoy more than going on a good hunting trip?

you understand the "thrill" of getting 14k for a few hours work/fun? right? so will I, soon......but I'll do it for FREE! >>

Give em' hell and let us know when justice has been served.

I FRIGGIN' hate low life thieves.

PQpeace · October 19, 2010 1:02PM

good thing I never pi**ed off steve

Steve has always wanted to teach me how to hunt

Billet7 · October 19, 2010 1:05PM

I'm very sorry to hear it. I have a hard time believing how terrible people can be. I wish there were something I could do.

rkfish · October 19, 2010 1:12PM

it's not about being pissed off..........it's about what's "right" and what's "wrong!" and this is as wrong as it gets. People like this ruin the one part of this hobby I have always enjoyed the most......TRUST! What other industry will extend you thousands in product, without payment, for approval? Thousands and thousands of dollars........I know you guys are going to say you have to build that relationship but even after it's built it goes on without a moments thought......I've been doing this twelve years now and it still blows my mind that I can get 1k or 75k in coins sent to me on approval and I extend this same service to my customers. Can anyone else think of an industry that extends this type of service?

Unfortunately, it's guys like this that will eventually ruin it for all.......sad but true.

PS! Larry......I don't think you S. Cal guys will ever make it as hunters......well, maybe for the two legged female types.

pennyannie · October 19, 2010 1:28PM

I am glad you got rkfish on your side, when all my ATV;s got ripped i was on my own, when my friends truck got stolen 2 weeks ago he got the feeling they would not even look for it. When another friend got the tools stolen out of the back of his truck, the police basicly said tough luck. When the dumba$$ thief emailed pics of the tools to the same person he stole them from ( not the brightest crook) The police failed to show up like they promised when my friend made the deal to buy them back. 7 days later no warrant has been issued for the crook that was already on probation and known to various law agencies around the area.

I hope you have better luck.

coindeuce · October 19, 2010 1:31PM

Larry, please take note of the following information:
"Numismatic Crime e-mail bulletins and newsletters are available by signing up at Numismaticcrimes.org. The Numismatic crime information Center is a 501(c) (3)non profit corporation established to serve as a national and international resource for collectors, dealers and law enforcement in the education, prevention and investigation of crimes involving coins, paper money, tokens and related numismatic items. All donations are tax deductible. Collectors and Dealers are encouraged to sign up and advise their local law enforcement agency of this free resource. Additional information can be received by contacting Doug Davis at Doug@numismaticcrimes.org"

Edit: originally posted by Doug Davis, January 2009

ThePennyLady · October 19, 2010 2:03PM

<< Larry, please take note of the following information:
"Numismatic Crime e-mail bulletins and newsletters are available by signing up at Numismaticcrimes.org. The Numismatic crime information Center is a 501(c) (3)non profit corporation established to serve as a national and international resource for collectors, dealers and law enforcement in the education, prevention and investigation of crimes involving coins, paper money, tokens and related numismatic items. All donations are tax deductible. Collectors and Dealers are encouraged to sign up and advise their local law enforcement agency of this free resource. Additional information can be received by contacting Doug Davis at Doug@numismaticcrimes.org"

Edit: originally posted by Doug Davis, January 2009 >>

First let me say that I too am very sorry to hear about this loser bouncing his check to you and I certainly hope they catch and fry him - and the forum jerk who is taunting you is even worse, geese some people get this kicks in very sick ways.

Regarding the Numismatic Crime bulletin, I am on this mailing list and it is very informative and helpful. It also helps to remind us all to be diligent whenever carrying coins to/from shows. I highly recommend all coin people sign up to receive these bulletins.

blu62vette · October 19, 2010 2:15PM

That is beyond lame. There are some great police depts out there, I got scammed once from a NY state a local officer found 18 other people and got the guy in jail until the state sold his house to pay us. Hoping for the best.

robkool · October 19, 2010 2:46PM

Suxs big time !!! Brings back memories of 09' when someone tried purchasing a car that I listed on craigslist, and wanted me to have the car transported to his address. That fu$*n con-artist crook sent me a bogus Wells Fargo business check for me to deposit, fortunately the manager at the Wells Fargo bank spotted it as a fake, and I decided my best interest was not to cash out that check. Well... I sent him a nasty email stating the FBI & special fraud unit will be investigating this matter. So... I kept the car, and never heard from this SOB again.

ChrisRx · October 19, 2010 3:02PM

Wow. Why can't these deadbeats live closer to where I live b/c I would love to pay them some attention myself.

Catch this deadbeat and get his photo to post everywhere.

AuroraBorealis · October 19, 2010 3:18PM

Very sorry hear about your problem Larry and hope things work out well for you...

AB

pursuitofliberty · October 19, 2010 3:19PM

wow Larry, what a sh***y deal. I certainly hope you can recover your coins or the payment, or both.

Thanks for posting this too ... stuff like this needs to be out there so it doesn't happen twice.

Like rkfish posted, in this industry, and on this board especially, a huge amount of trust is extended at times. Mostly I think it is warranted, as a person word is their bond in so many cases ... and many of us would die trying not to break our bond.

I hope you find him. I hope you can get him in jail where he deserves to be. I hope he falls down a flight of steps along the way.

As for the malicious poster sending you bulls*** emails, I hope the last part happens, and that it's truely an accident. Karma can be a wonderful teacher.

Wolf359 · October 19, 2010 3:34PM

What a nightmare.

Thanks for the warning....hope everything gets recovered somehow.

JustaRookie · October 19, 2010 5:11PM

<< I just got this email :
from :
Archie Arnold-Wynen archiearnold1@gmail.com
Obvious whoever wrote this is a board member..

I stole your coins and I am damn proud of it, Larry. You will NOT be getting your money and I will gladly crack out each and every one of these coins and sell them raw at my next show. Suckers like you are born every day and you you just fold up shop, good for the rest of us. You're a wanna-be!

-Todd >>

GET A ROPE!!! I'll be the first in line to string this one up!

oreville · October 19, 2010 5:18PM

Whoa.

I hope a bunch of us collectors live in Arkansas or will take a vacation to Arkansas real soon.

If I was vacationing or living in Arkansas, I too would do anything to help Larry for free as well.

The one coin I bought from him nearly several years ago, a 1944 dime in MS-67FB recently was stickered by CAC.

A warning to Todd Davis/Young. Look over your shoulder.

ricko · October 19, 2010 10:15PM

Unbelievable... the audacity of it all. Most of us would not even consider such a thing. That very fact makes many of us vulnerable. Great post Larry, this type of thing should be made as public as possible. It would appear you have a very capable ally in rkfish, I hope it puts an end to this idiots career. Cheers, RickO

lcoopie · October 19, 2010 10:38PM

you might put his name in the title of the thread

sinin1 · October 19, 2010 10:52PM

that guy stiffed me for about $200 worth back in 2004 - from these boards as bhsalesman
he was selling on eBay and yahoo at the time

bhsalesman
Date Posted: Jan/30/2004 10:30 PM
Dave:

That sounds fine, the NGC 1951 PR65 too...I can take a look and see if its what I want or not.

I always wear cotton gloves when handling the proofs, just in case.

Once you go through the MS stuff, if isn't too much trouble, let me know what you have exactly, even stuff from the 70's and 80's, and 90's are in need too.

I'm sure you've still got the address, but:

Todd Young
C/O Small Engine Source
#143, 405 SW Drive, Suite A
Jonesboro, AR 72401

earlygoldnut · October 19, 2010 10:56PM

He tried to take us as well. Anytime a clients bank cannot or will not tell us when a check cleared we just don't ship. When the clients complain we tell them to take it up with their bank because until we know for sure we won't ship.

coinguy1 · October 19, 2010 11:00PM

This is almost certainly the same person who tried to rip me off in 2008. He might have been successful, too, were not for the help of a detective who went to bat for me.

I believe that his real name is Todd Young, not Todd Jones. That is based on discussions I had at the time with the guy's father, ex-wife and the detective. He lived in Arkansas and Tennessee over a period of months, back in 2008. He has previously tried to rip off other dealers as well, and based on my experience with him, he is a compulsive liar.

I hope he ends up in jail, where he belongs. And I feel that the person who emailed Larry is a despicable human being, though I use the term "human being" loosely.

Bets of luck to Larry and the other dealers.

Walkerguy21D · October 19, 2010 11:03PM

Great post to illuminate us newbies that there are some real scumbags out there.
The fact that this guy has apparently been ripping off coin people for years and is still walking around free is very alarming.

Important announcement: Guy writing bad checks IN JAIL 3/9/2011 !!!

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