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The 2009 UHR Coin -- As a Single Year Issue Type Coin?
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It's not the only $20 gold US coin.
It's not the only Ultra High Releif gold US coin.
It is the only .9999 Fine $20 Ultra High Relief Gold US Coin, or the only .9999 Fine $20 Gold US Coin if you like.
Are people collecting these as a one year only type US coin?
It's not the only Ultra High Releif gold US coin.
It is the only .9999 Fine $20 Ultra High Relief Gold US Coin, or the only .9999 Fine $20 Gold US Coin if you like.
Are people collecting these as a one year only type US coin?
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Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
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I have one FS 70, the other is raw, but am thinking I'd like to have the other (non-FS) graded...
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<< <i>I'm AMAZED at the values these have grown too... check THIS out...
I have one FS 70, the other is raw, but am thinking I'd like to have the other (non-FS) graded...
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Ouch! Over $3400! What is a raw one in the mint box selling for these days?
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<< <i>I'm AMAZED at the values these have grown too... check THIS out...
I have one FS 70, the other is raw, but am thinking I'd like to have the other (non-FS) graded...
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Ouch! Over $3400! What is a raw one in the mint box selling for these days? >>
$1,850 seems to be the going rate on the bay.
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You can form a "type set" by what ever criteria you wish....most stick to coin that actually circulate.
I am in the process of completing my research on the UHR for an article. I hope to have it written before the end of the year.
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<< <i>It amazes me that people didn't see this as a high end highly valuble coin for the future!! Does the past teach you nothing???!!! >>
At the time I saw some upside to it. The problem is that I only bought one. There were two reasons for that, not including the $1,300 cost. First, the box from the mint was just left on my doorstep which was kind of stupid. Second is the box itself. Big honking wooden box which means nothing to me.
The coin quality is beautiful and probably one of the best things the mint has made recently.
As a side note, although I love the coin, I do not like the absurdly insignificant nuances that define a 68, 69 and 70. To lay such great emphasis on minute imperfections pertaining to a "non-circulating" mint product is odd to me. Of course my opinion holds little weight, as there are plenty of buyers who actually do care.
I actually did write that article ... just never published it. Maybe sometime in the next year.
Registrycoin ... I could not agree with you more!
Wondercoin
I'm glad you follow it with,
You can form a "type set" by what ever criteria you wish....most stick to coin that actually circulate.
or maybe add a few modern NCLT representatives, such as proof and unc ASEs, a denomination/weight set of AGE's, a representative platinum coin, a buffalo coin, an UHR, a representative spouse coin of one of the coin designs perhaps, one of the big 5oz silver park coasters.
Don't have to get every one. Especially not the dumb looking or ugly ones, just because a set includes them.
IMO the UHR has it all, an ounce of gold, pure gold, beautiful classic design, super nice orig. gov't pkg, one year (so far) mintage
I regret not purchasing more of them that year
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Otherwise, it's pretty much its own thing.
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<< <i>It amazes me that people didn't see this as a high end highly valuble coin for the future!! Does the past teach you nothing???!!! >>
At the time I saw some upside to it. The problem is that I only bought one. There were two reasons for that, not including the $1,300 cost. First, the box from the mint was just left on my doorstep which was kind of stupid. Second is the box itself. Big honking wooden box which means nothing to me.
The coin quality is beautiful and probably one of the best things the mint has made recently. >>
Agree. The packaging was overkill for such a small coin. Does the mint think coin collectors have unlimited storage space?
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<< <i>It amazes me that people didn't see this as a high end highly valuble coin for the future!! Does the past teach you nothing???!!! >>
At the time I saw some upside to it. The problem is that I only bought one. There were two reasons for that, not including the $1,300 cost. First, the box from the mint was just left on my doorstep which was kind of stupid. Second is the box itself. Big honking wooden box which means nothing to me.
The coin quality is beautiful and probably one of the best things the mint has made recently. >>
Agree. The packaging was overkill for such a small coin. Does the mint think coin collectors have unlimited storage space? >>
What, you mean the rest of you guys don't have a safe?
Wondercoin, can you post that article somewhere? I'd love to read it!
all in all.....this piece I think was a huge flash in the pan.
Maybe in 50 years or so...................................................................................................................................................................
<< <i>FWIW PCGS has a lready graded a few PL and I believe 3 MS70 First Strike PL >>
I wonder whether they'll almost all get pl like the atbs.
<< <i>I think one of the factors that will always hold these modern recreations at an arms distance from any numismatic 'home run' is that there will NEVER be a wear factor. Grade is not important...and the only other factor is how many will reach the melt pot.
all in all.....this piece I think was a huge flash in the pan.
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The lack of wear is always going to be an issue that keeps modern commemoratives from being as interesting as older ones. I don't agree that this issue is a flash in the pan, though. I think the Mint was sincerely trying to reach as high as it is able--and largely succeeded. Until the oversight committees turn the Mint loose with new, innovative artists, this, the buffs, and the proof plats are about as good as we're going to get.
And Raufus, I agree that the melting is very wasteful, but I do think the Mint needs to protect buyers who took the plunge when it was offered. I'd be sorely disappointed if they suddenly offered the rest of these--or any other past issue--for sale. Or maybe I'd just be sore!
<< <i>It's not a circulating coin -- just nice bullion. >>
You wouldn't happen to have one you would like to sell as bullion would you? I am looking for some nice bullion.
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<< <i>It's not a circulating coin -- just nice bullion. >>
You wouldn't happen to have one you would like to sell as bullion would you? I am looking for some nice bullion. >>
I'll pay spot +$100 for your "bullion"
My favorite Modern coin ... right up there with the other Moderns ... Reverse Proof AGE, APE & ASE's
( I have the above mentioned ones in PCGS 70 FS ... with no intention of ever selling them..gonna take them with me into the after life )
No need to. I hear they pave the roads with them there.
(at least at one of the places)
<< <i>And the government, so desperate for more money to spend is melting tens of thousands which would bring millions in profits instead of having a last chance sale. How utterly stupid. >>
They have an obligation to their customers that bought these coins during the ordering period. If they changed the rules after people already bought their coins, it would hurt future sales of similar products because many would no longer trust the mint. Also, because the price of gold has gone up since they were made, the mint will still be making a nice profit on their increased bullion value.
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Someone out there still trusts the Mint?
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Wondercoin
<< <i>...it would hurt future sales of similar products because many would no longer trust the mint.
Someone out there still trusts the Mint? >>
I trust the mint to do what's in their best interest and melting these left overs is in their best long term interest.
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Yes, I would like to do that later this year.
Wondercoin
<< <i>Coinsponge ... You are referring to ebay #320665248492 I assume? If so, yes it is VERY shiny! I believe the jury is still out though on exactly how much value above an NGC-MS70PL coin the PCGS-MS70PL will ultimately carry.
Wondercoin >>
Hard to say. The best way is to test the market and see as you are. You are sitting in a great place now on that one.
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<< <i>...it would hurt future sales of similar products because many would no longer trust the mint.
Someone out there still trusts the Mint? >>
I trust the mint to do what's in their best interest and melting these left overs is in their best long term interest. >>
But hasn't the Mint placed once-sold-out coins on the market before? They still have customers.
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<< <i>...it would hurt future sales of similar products because many would no longer trust the mint.
Someone out there still trusts the Mint? >>
I trust the mint to do what's in their best interest and melting these left overs is in their best long term interest. >>
But hasn't the Mint placed once-sold-out coins on the market before? They still have customers. >>
The mint will always have customers but the number of customers will decrease every time they play games and screw their customers by selling them coins and then changing the terms of their offering after the fact.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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<< <i>...it would hurt future sales of similar products because many would no longer trust the mint.
Someone out there still trusts the Mint? >>
I trust the mint to do what's in their best interest and melting these left overs is in their best long term interest. >>
But hasn't the Mint placed once-sold-out coins on the market before? They still have customers. >>
The mint will always have customers but the number of customers will decrease every time they play games and screw their customers by selling them coins and then changing the terms of their offering after the fact. >>
But where else are ya gonna go for US coins? Even if you go secondary you are indirectly buying from them. 'Fraid they have a monopoly and I figure they know it.