And now back to the educational part of our program.
I just learned today that there was a second 1971-S Prototype found. This particular coin has really grabbed my imagination and I am constantly looking for one. A second one being found gives me hope.
I think we have a winner elgible candidate already. And they don't know it. If GRANDAM has no objection, I will post the page number where the rules are found.
<< <i>I think we have a winner elgible candidate already. And they don't know it. If GRANDAM has no objection, I will post the page number where the rules are found. >>
By my count Herb not including the one word run of posts I think you are number 150 I sent GrandAm a PM just in case with the words "I LIKE IKE" in the message.
Some Proof planchets have been known to make it into the Business strike line of production. I think if the planchets were not quite up to Proof standards they would ship them out for regular production.
<< <i>I think we have a winner elgible candidate already. And they don't know it. If GRANDAM has no objection, I will post the page number where the rules are found. >>
Herb,
Go ahead. I will announce the winner(s). along with my thoughts when I get home in a few hours.
I think it would be interesting to see the dollar value required to get into the top 10 in each division. I also think people who are competitive tend not to enter competitions they know they won't be competitive in. >>
I will award another PCGS MS67 1972-S to the 1st person who posts the answer to the above question.
Go to each #10 set in the above listed Dollar catagories. List by date and grade the coins that make up a #10 set then post the PCGS Price Guide prices and tally the totals.
I woul be very interested to know what the costs are to be a TOP 10 Set in all the dollar catagories.
Heck, I'll make it easier, just price out the following sets.
United States Dollars Date Set, Circulation Strikes (1794-Present) (12)
Early Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1794-1803) (28)
Liberty Seated Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1840-1873) (24)
Thank You Gary. This is a great thread with lots of good information about the Eisenhower Dollar Series. In your OP I never knew there were that many registry sets for Eisenhower's I am learning something new about this short but very interesting series of coins all the time.
Thanks - looking forward to seeing an Ike that's worthy of being appreciated!
I still have my Uncle's "I Like Ike" button from the 1952 election, as well as his "flasher" buttons for both Ike/Dick and Adlai Stevenson (also from '52). We used to like to hold the Ike and Dick one so that you'd have either a bald Nixon or an Eisenhower with a full head of hair. (The things kids do for amusement!)
The '52 and '56 elections may have been the last "honorable" Presidential elections in our history, before mudslinging and name calling became the norm.
Me at the Springfield coin show: 60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>Wouldn't Stew be disqualified with three back to back posts? Posts 139-141. >>
It has been pointed out to me that Stew did post too many times and I did not catch it
However my intent with that rule was that noone could post several times when we were approaching 150th post. Tcoins posted several times and hit the 150th post. That was what I was trying to prevent. Since Stew's posting didn't cause him to win I don't feel he should be disqualified.
Stew was the 1st post after the Tcoins posts and I had thought all along that if someone TTT and hit the 150th post the next poster would win and Stew was the 1st to PM me with the Phrase that pays
If anyone feels there is anyone else who should be considered for a prise LMK your thoughts.
It probably isn't of much importance at this point, but the rules in the 77th post was towards the end of page 4. Very much to my surprise, I picked the right page on the first try.
I figured Stew was the winner and am glad to see he is officially.
Here is a Just a couple of questions that have been bouncing around in my head for a while. (There are so many when it comes to Ike's ) I was wondering what year the and by who was the 1971-D FEV RDV-006 Eisenhower Dollar Discovered? Another is has the U.S. Mint been able to provide any information as to the purpose for the die change? Was it suppose to be a Proof or Business Reverse? For such a major change in design I would think they had a purpose for it It is not just a minor touch up on a die.
<<I think you said you were in Maine or Rhode Island earlier in the thread. I don't feel like going back to check LOL>>
Correct. Maine is it. I hope itwasn't this thread I posted it in. I was thinking it as another forum. Please forgive me if I am repeating myself here.
In 1956 Maine still had early bird elections in September for offices other than President. The Republicans were pushing for showing your support for Ike by voting in a Republican governor. It did not work. Democrat Edmund Muskie was elected instead.
Come November, I found the individual candidates for electors (5 of them to be chosen) were listed in finer print at the bottom of the ballot. I couldn't resist. I voted for 1 Democrat and 4 Republicans. That was the last chance I ever had to split my vote that way. The standard way to vote was to check the big box by the candidate of your choice for President.
<<I was wondering what year the and by who was the 1971-D FEV RDV-006 Eisenhower Dollar Discovered?>>
Here is a brief history as recorded in the July 2007 NUMISMATIST article on this subject.
Charles Cataldo reported it in a 1999 issue of the ERRORSCOPE. It was there designated as "RDV-006". Evidently it failed to raise much fuss at that point for the next mention we are aware of was by Eric von Klinger in the March 12 and April 9, 2007 issues of COIN WORLD. In early April 2007, ANACS attributed its first RDV-006. David Golan of the Ike Group has been researching them for at least 5 years.
Now, if somebody could only tell me when the type B quarter was first recognized (originall called type II). I have discreetly asked some surviving old timers. Their answer - "We thought you were the expert." But I only came on board the quarters in 1973.
<< <i> Now, if somebody could only tell me when the type B quarter was first recognized (originall called type II). I have discreetly asked some surviving old timers. Their answer - "We thought you were the expert." But I only came on board the quarters in 1973. >>
Knock me over with a feather. I thought you discovered them very early.
I guess this is good news since it means there probably are some uncs out there. Well, unless they were taken into the coin shop and the cus- tomer was told to just spend them. Imagine dozens of all different dates being used for tolls and laundry.
<< <i>Come November, I found the individual candidates for electors (5 of them to be chosen) were listed in finer print at the bottom of the ballot. I couldn't resist. I voted for 1 Democrat and 4 Republicans. That was the last chance I ever had to split my vote that way. The standard way to vote was to check the big box by the candidate of your choice for President. >>
Ahhh, thanks for the explanation. (I was at least on the right track thinking it had to do with electors....)
As I'm sure you know, Maine is one of 2 states (Nebraska being the other) that has a provision where a Presidential candidate who carries one of the state's Congressional districts is awarded one electoral vote regardless of the statewide outcome. Although this type of split has not occurred in Maine, the Omaha area Congressional district went for Obama last election while the rest of the state went for McCain.
Me at the Springfield coin show: 60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
I promise to mention Ikes before I finish this post.
<<<< Now, if somebody could only tell me when the type B quarter was first recognized (originall called type II). I have discreetly asked some surviving old timers. Their answer - "We thought you were the expert." But I only came on board the quarters in 1973. >>
Knock me over with a feather. I thought you discovered them very early.>>
Well I guess I might have been able to steal the credit for these easily. Here is the history of the type B design as far as I know: 1937 Type B design used for proofs 1956 Type B design first used on a very few business strikes Late 1963 Francis A. Maloney, Jr. of Florida reports a business strike type B to the Late Jim Johnson of Collectors' Clearinghouse, Coin World. The hunt is on and by January 20, 1965 Collectors' Clearinghouse can publish an article and a complete list of type B business strikes. Sept 23, 1970 The late great Bill Edwards publishes an article on Type B (and the 1964 D type C) in Collectors Clearinghouse. In the same column Jim Johnson reports a 1969 D B found by Francis A. Maloney. now of Arizona. Somewhere along the line the Late Walter Breen gave the B's a boost by confirming they were indeed genuine modern mint die varieties.
In those days the mint denied these existed. Coin World was very law and order and woulkd not contradict the mint. Hence there were no mainstream articles. Everything stayed in the Clearinghouse. The mint finally fessed up in late 1972 and promised to do it no more.
1968 saw the introduction of a brand new clad version proof only variety - what I call the type M. Late 1968 saw the reversion to the type B for proofs. People picked up on this rather quickly. I am still surprised that while checking for B's versus Type C's, that nobody noticed that the mint "type C" was different from the type C circulation strikes. It turns out circulation strike C's are a bunch of different minor varieties. I think I am safe in claiming discovery for the M which was not reported until my 1986 article.
The 1971 proof and business strike Ikes in hindsight are obviously different. I did not realize it until I found some 1972 P type 2's in March 1972 and realized they were in high relief compared to the type 1's. I later realized that type 2 had incuse touchup in contrast to relief touchup on type 1. I had to run out and buy a proof 1971 S to find out it was also a type 2. At this time the mint was saying that all dollars came from the same master die. That couldn't be with the difference in relief.
The Pegleg R was an interesting item at this point. It turns out some were a deliberate design feature and some were polishing effects, Confusion on this subjects reigns even over the present day.
Thank You Very Much, The Coin is beautiful that you chose for the giveaway This is one of the more fun threads I have seen in quite awhile. Great Thread Idea
How many have found Ike varities in circ or at a coin dealer? I've found 2 MS 62 and 1 MS 63 type 2 ikes graded by PCGS. Got them from a dealer for $3 each. Have found several peg legs, but, PCGS doesn't recognize them. Ray
You only live life once, enjoy it like it's your last day. It just MIGHT be!
Thank You Very Much, The Coin is beautiful that you chose for the giveaway This is one of the more fun threads I have seen in quite awhile. Great Thread Idea
Terry >>
Gary, I couldn't word it any better myself. So I agree with Terry. Thanks.
<<How many have found Ike varities in circ or at a coin dealer?>>
Not surprisingly, since I had an early start, was finding 1972 P T2's in circulation and very few in dealers' stock. Strange bank finds were 3 silver 1971 S uncs in excellent shape, far better than any blue envelope. I also picked up a 1973 P and D from the banks.
But then I would argue, if Saints were cheaper they'd be the most popular. Other collectors may argue for other series, and on and on. >>
You May have a point there Aaron , I wish gold was down where the price of a Saint was in the ball park of an Ike Ahhh to see a $1.25 Saint Bin in a coin shop. Yee Haa
Comments
And now back to the educational part of our program.
I just learned today that there was a second 1971-S Prototype found.
This particular coin has really grabbed my imagination and I am constantly looking
for one. A second one being found gives me hope.
Terry
check my rules in post #77 or so.
GrandAm
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>Lol way to class up the give away >>
And they don't know it.
If GRANDAM has no objection, I will post the page number where the rules are found.
<< <i>I think we have a winner elgible candidate already.
And they don't know it.
If GRANDAM has no objection, I will post the page number where the rules are found. >>
By my count Herb not including the one word run of posts I think you are number 150
I sent GrandAm a PM just in case with the words "I LIKE IKE" in the message.
Edited to add: But then again I flunked Math
Terry
Here are (2) Blue Pack Ikes, as you can see the one on the left of your screen appears to have been struck on a polished planchet of some kind ?
Nice
Some Proof planchets have been known to make it into the Business strike line of production.
I think if the planchets were not quite up to Proof standards they would ship them out
for regular production.
Terry
<< <i>I think we have a winner elgible candidate already.
And they don't know it.
If GRANDAM has no objection, I will post the page number where the rules are found. >>
Herb,
Go ahead. I will announce the winner(s). along with my thoughts when I get home in a few hours.
GrandAm
<< <i>
<< <i>What do you think about that? >>
I think it would be interesting to see the dollar value required to get into the top 10 in each division. I also think people who are competitive tend not to enter competitions they know they won't be competitive in. >>
I will award another PCGS MS67 1972-S to the 1st person who posts the answer to the above question.
Go to each #10 set in the above listed Dollar catagories. List by date and grade the coins that make up a #10 set then post the PCGS Price Guide prices and tally the totals.
I woul be very interested to know what the costs are to be a TOP 10 Set in all the dollar catagories.
Heck, I'll make it easier, just price out the following sets.
United States Dollars Date Set, Circulation Strikes (1794-Present) (12)
Early Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1794-1803) (28)
Liberty Seated Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1840-1873) (24)
Trade Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1873-1878) (5
Morgan Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921) (494)
Peace Dollars, Circulation Strikes (1921-1935) (284)
Eisenhower Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (1971-1978) (315)
Eisenhower Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1971-1978) (206)
Eisenhower Dollars Complete Variety Set, Circulation Strikes (1971-1978) (77)
Sacagawea Dollars Complete Variety Set, Circulation Strikes (2000-present) (60)
Presidential Dollars Basic Set, Circulation Strikes (2007-2016) (144)
GrandAm
Tcoins is disqualified for too many consecutive posts but he knew that ahead of time.
Stew was the 150th poster after Tcoins posts if you count all of them?
There are a few more in there who PM'd me immedietly after the 150th post saying "I LIKE IKE"
There was also a poster who supported this thread with kind comments so I want to award coins to all of the following posters:
STEW - OFFICIAL Winner
droopyd
ProofArtworks
Sumorada
If the above (4) people will PM me there address I'll get the coins out ASAP.
That is it,,,
GrandAm
Thank You Gary.
This is a great thread with lots of good
information about the Eisenhower Dollar Series.
In your OP I never knew there were that many registry sets
for Eisenhower's I am learning something new about this
short but very interesting series of coins all the time.
Thanks Again
Terry
I still have my Uncle's "I Like Ike" button from the 1952 election, as well as his "flasher" buttons for both Ike/Dick and Adlai Stevenson (also from '52). We used to like to hold the Ike and Dick one so that you'd have either a bald Nixon or an Eisenhower with a full head of hair. (The things kids do for amusement!)
The '52 and '56 elections may have been the last "honorable" Presidential elections in our history, before mudslinging and name calling became the norm.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
GRANDAM
STEW - OFFICIAL Winner
droopyd
ProofArtworks
Sumorada
If the above (4) people will PM me there address I'll get the coins out ASAP.
That is it,,,
The name is LEE!
Franklin-Lover's Forum
<< <i>Wouldn't Stew be disqualified with three back to back posts? Posts 139-141. >>
It has been pointed out to me that Stew did post too many times and I did not catch it
However my intent with that rule was that noone could post several times when we were approaching 150th post. Tcoins posted several times and hit the 150th post. That was what I was trying to prevent. Since Stew's posting didn't cause him to win I don't feel he should be disqualified.
Stew was the 1st post after the Tcoins posts and I had thought all along that if someone TTT and hit the 150th post the next poster would win and Stew was the 1st to PM me with the Phrase that pays
If anyone feels there is anyone else who should be considered for a prise LMK your thoughts.
GrandAm
I figured Stew was the winner and am glad to see he is officially.
?..Because the Mint stopped making them..?
What state was I in then?
<< <i>I voted for the first time in 1956. The Republicans strongly urged us to vote twice for Ike, but I ended up only voting .8 for him.
What state was I in then? >>
I was originally going to guess Alabama with its "faithless elector," but I'm guessing that's not it.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>why did casinos stop using IKEs in slot machines? >>
They went to paper receipts for slot machine payouts, thus negating the need for coins of any denomination.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
Correct, it is not Alabama.
<< <i>I voted for the first time in 1956. The Republicans strongly urged us to vote twice for Ike, but I ended up only voting .8 for him.
What state was I in then? >>
I think you said you were in Maine or Rhode Island earlier in the thread. I don't feel like going back to check LOL.
Franklin-Lover's Forum
Here is a Just a couple of questions that have been bouncing around in my head for a while.
(There are so many when it comes to Ike's
I was wondering what year the and by who was the 1971-D FEV RDV-006
Eisenhower Dollar Discovered?
Another is has the U.S. Mint been able to provide any information as to
the purpose for the die change? Was it suppose to be a Proof or Business Reverse?
For such a major change in design I would think they had a purpose for it
It is not just a minor touch up on a die.
Terry
Correct. Maine is it. I hope itwasn't this thread I posted it in. I was thinking it as another forum. Please forgive me if I am repeating myself here.
In 1956 Maine still had early bird elections in September for offices other than President. The Republicans were pushing for showing your support for Ike by voting in a Republican governor. It did not work. Democrat Edmund Muskie was elected instead.
Come November, I found the individual candidates for electors (5 of them to be chosen) were listed in finer print at the bottom of the ballot. I couldn't resist. I voted for 1 Democrat and 4 Republicans. That was the last chance I ever had to split my vote that way. The standard way to vote was to check the big box by the candidate of your choice for President.
Eisenhower Dollar Discovered?>>
Here is a brief history as recorded in the July 2007 NUMISMATIST article on this subject.
Charles Cataldo reported it in a 1999 issue of the ERRORSCOPE. It was there designated as "RDV-006".
Evidently it failed to raise much fuss at that point for the next mention we are aware of was by Eric von Klinger in the March 12 and April 9, 2007 issues of COIN WORLD.
In early April 2007, ANACS attributed its first RDV-006.
David Golan of the Ike Group has been researching them for at least 5 years.
Now, if somebody could only tell me when the type B quarter was first recognized (originall called type II). I have discreetly asked some surviving old timers. Their answer - "We thought you were the expert." But I only came on board the quarters in 1973.
<< <i>
Now, if somebody could only tell me when the type B quarter was first recognized (originall called type II). I have discreetly asked some surviving old timers. Their answer - "We thought you were the expert." But I only came on board the quarters in 1973. >>
Knock me over with a feather. I thought you discovered them very early.
I guess this is good news since it means there probably are some uncs
out there. Well, unless they were taken into the coin shop and the cus-
tomer was told to just spend them. Imagine dozens of all different dates
being used for tolls and laundry.
It's a little gut wrenching isn't it?
<< <i>Come November, I found the individual candidates for electors (5 of them to be chosen) were listed in finer print at the bottom of the ballot. I couldn't resist. I voted for 1 Democrat and 4 Republicans. That was the last chance I ever had to split my vote that way. The standard way to vote was to check the big box by the candidate of your choice for President. >>
Ahhh, thanks for the explanation. (I was at least on the right track thinking it had to do with electors....)
As I'm sure you know, Maine is one of 2 states (Nebraska being the other) that has a provision where a Presidential candidate who carries one of the state's Congressional districts is awarded one electoral vote regardless of the statewide outcome. Although this type of split has not occurred in Maine, the Omaha area Congressional district went for Obama last election while the rest of the state went for McCain.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<<<<
Now, if somebody could only tell me when the type B quarter was first recognized (originall called type II). I have discreetly asked some surviving old timers. Their answer - "We thought you were the expert." But I only came on board the quarters in 1973. >>
Knock me over with a feather. I thought you discovered them very early.>>
Well I guess I might have been able to steal the credit for these easily.
Here is the history of the type B design as far as I know:
1937 Type B design used for proofs
1956 Type B design first used on a very few business strikes
Late 1963 Francis A. Maloney, Jr. of Florida reports a business strike type B to the Late Jim Johnson of Collectors' Clearinghouse, Coin World.
The hunt is on and by January 20, 1965 Collectors' Clearinghouse can publish an article and a complete list of type B business strikes.
Sept 23, 1970 The late great Bill Edwards publishes an article on Type B (and the 1964 D type C) in Collectors Clearinghouse. In the same column Jim Johnson reports a 1969 D B found by Francis A. Maloney. now of Arizona.
Somewhere along the line the Late Walter Breen gave the B's a boost by confirming they were indeed genuine modern mint die varieties.
In those days the mint denied these existed. Coin World was very law and order and woulkd not contradict the mint. Hence there were no mainstream articles. Everything stayed in the Clearinghouse. The mint finally fessed up in late 1972 and promised to do it no more.
1968 saw the introduction of a brand new clad version proof only variety - what I call the type M.
Late 1968 saw the reversion to the type B for proofs. People picked up on this rather quickly. I am still surprised that while checking for B's versus Type C's, that nobody noticed that the mint "type C" was different from the type C circulation strikes. It turns out circulation strike C's are a bunch of different minor varieties. I think I am safe in claiming discovery for the M which was not reported until my 1986 article.
The 1971 proof and business strike Ikes in hindsight are obviously different. I did not realize it until I found some 1972 P type 2's in March 1972 and realized they were in high relief compared to the type 1's. I later realized that type 2 had incuse touchup in contrast to relief touchup on type 1. I had to run out and buy a proof 1971 S to find out it was also a type 2. At this time the mint was saying that all dollars came from the same master die. That couldn't be with the difference in relief.
The Pegleg R was an interesting item at this point. It turns out some were a deliberate design feature and some were polishing effects, Confusion on this subjects reigns even over the present day.
Thank You Very Much, The Coin is beautiful that you chose for the giveaway
This is one of the more fun threads I have seen in quite awhile. Great Thread Idea
Terry
Thanks!
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
Thank You Very Much, The Coin is beautiful that you chose for the giveaway
This is one of the more fun threads I have seen in quite awhile. Great Thread Idea
Terry >>
Gary, I couldn't word it any better myself. So I agree with Terry. Thanks.
Not surprisingly, since I had an early start, was finding 1972 P T2's in circulation and very few in dealers' stock.
Strange bank finds were 3 silver 1971 S uncs in excellent shape, far better than any blue envelope. I also picked up a 1973 P and D from the banks.
GrandAm
and noticed something odd.
Herb, Where did the Mega Island go in the picture of your Type 2 Icon
that comes up above your ProofArtworkonCircs handle?
Just a curious observation.
Terry
<< <i>WOW !!! And I thought the Morgans would be the most popular in the set registry... >>
If they were cheaper they would be
<< <i>
<< <i>WOW !!! And I thought the Morgans would be the most popular in the set registry... >>
If they were cheaper they would be >>
But then I would argue, if Saints were cheaper they'd be the most popular. Other collectors may argue for other series, and on and on.
But then I would argue, if Saints were cheaper they'd be the most popular. Other collectors may argue for other series, and on and on. >>
You May have a point there Aaron , I wish gold was down where the price of a Saint was in the ball park of an Ike
Ahhh to see a $1.25 Saint Bin in a coin shop. Yee Haa