Engelhard Guide .... Invitation.

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SilverBaron
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bstat1020 asked ....

Has anyone ever done a Engelhard reference book, not only to Prospectors, but everything Englehard produced when they where open?



I have been collecting Engelhard items for some time & I still run across PM items that I did not know existed.

Another collector just showed me a prospector date this week that I had not seen before.


OK..... Here is an open invitation .....


Everyone that knows something definate about Engelhard PM items, and if you have pixs of items,

Please pm the information & pixs to me when you can. Are there any cryptographers on the forum?

Decodeing the serial numbering system for dates and quantity would be a real help. How about anyone

that knows anyone that use to work at Engelhard? I will keep track of everything sent & at some

time when the information seems as complete as possible, I will print a copy & send it to all contributors,

w/acknowledgments. I will then post a link to a site that has all of the information w/pixs.

I will also keep updating the information as it is collected & update the site as often as possible.

I will report back to the form the response this invitation generates and what to expect.


With the right participation, this could be GREAT!!


Let the Engelhard Guide begin .... image
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  • Weiss
    Weiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice. I'm afraid I have nothing to add, but appreciate your efforts.
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  • gsa1fan
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    I emailed BASF the company who bought Engelhard for information. Let's see if they will help.
    Avid collector of GSA's.
  • bstat1020
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    Silver Baron,

    What a great idea. I will be PMing you pictures and information this weekend.

    Thanks,

    Bstat
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  • AgBlox
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    SB, I don't recall seeing one of these 5g pendants before although I'm sure you have. I had a 10g a while back that matched it. I think you ended up with it IIRC.

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  • SilverBaron
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    AgBlox ....

    Yes.... So far I have the 5 gram, 10 gram ( from you ) and 1/4 oz silver and a 2.5 gram 14k gold in pendant form.

    If I get enough input on this project .... this could be SWEEEETTTTT ...... image
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  • jimq112
    jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
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    I can come up with pics of some 100 oz bars, all the extruded ones, a few gold 1 oz prospectors,a platinum prospector, a 1/4 oz gold prospector and some silver prospectors. I figure you already have that stuff but if you want scans I can do that.

    My father in law is retiring this year from basf, worked for engelhard for years but it was after they quit making metal bars and coins.
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  • gsa1fan
    gsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
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    No reply from BASF yet. What year Engelhard quit making bars etc.?
    Avid collector of GSA's.
  • AgBlox
    AgBlox Posts: 744 ✭✭
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    << <i>No reply from BASF yet. What year Engelhard quit making bars etc.? >>



    Don't hold your breath. I attempted to contact them & JM Long ago and received No response.
  • gsa1fan
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    << <i>

    << <i>No reply from BASF yet. What year Engelhard quit making bars etc.? >>



    Don't hold your breath. I attempted to contact them & JM Long ago and received No response. >>



    This is good to know. jimq112 maybe your father in law knows a old timer he could talk to or get his contact information?
    Avid collector of GSA's.
  • cartermurph
    cartermurph Posts: 141
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    I remember a board member bought a silver engelhard letter openener off ebay, if I remember correctly he wasn't sure of it's weight.
  • AgBlox
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    I purchased the letter opener from another site to resell on eBay. It turned out that it wasn't silver.
  • bstat1020
    bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
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    jimq112,

    Does your father in law have access or knowledge to any information?? If so, would he be willing to share??

    bstat
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  • bstat1020
    bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
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    Here are some bars from my stash. Several type of 10ozers, 5 ozers, and a 1oz.
    Engelhard Eagle 10oz
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    Engelhard Big E 10oz
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    Engelhard Fatty Struck 10oz
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    Engelhard Fatty Struck 5oz
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    Engelhard Old Pour or Loaf 5oz
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    Engelhard Canada 1oz
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    SB, with the above and the stuff I PMed you earlier, we should have a good start!!

    bstat
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  • gecko109
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    Baron, this is a VERY ambitious project, and I doubt one that could even be considered complete at any time. There are just so many Engelhard varieties in all metals and sizes and even designs within sizes/metal types to be able to confidently create a comprehensive guide. I applaud your desire, and think that even a compilation of perhaps 80% of all Engelhard related emissions would serve the collecting community greatly! I wish I had photographed and saved such photos of every Engelhard I have owned through the years. Im sure it would have included no fewer than 40 distinct varieties of metals/sizes!
  • Weiss
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    I posted in a thread not too long ago a link to a forum where former employees of one of their plants in England were talking about the good old days. You might search google--maybe you can contact former workers?
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
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  • calleocho
    calleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
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    I have a few one gram gold bars all in their original plastic with their assay card ...so far two different designs. ( one with a letter infron of the serial number and the other type without it )

    I have seen engelhard coasters, pins etc.

    Someone selling the gold grams bars on ebay said the the bars were given by Alaska air as rewards to their best costumers, kinda of like a freqent flyer type of thing.

    I have seen a 2.5 gram bar in both gold and platinum ....incredibly hard to find. (much harder than the gold prospectors)

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  • calleocho
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    this is the 2.5 platinum bar ...it sold on ebay for about $165 or so.

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  • SilverBaron
    SilverBaron Posts: 767 ✭
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    Great stuff everyone. Please do send pixs of every variety of item you may have.

    While I might have it .... I might not!!

    As far as letter openers, coasters and XXXX ..... I think we will keep this related to PM's.

    I know that this guide will never be 100% complete .... that is OK .... even xx% will be a great resource.

    Yes .... Anyone who can find anyone that worked in the small bar and coin fabricating division ... would be

    of great help ..... (time is running out image ) The small bars and coins were made from 1975 thru 1987... I think.


    Good responses ....... lets keep going!!
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  • bstat1020
    bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
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    Here are a couple more old pour 10ozers

    Engelhard Old Pour 10oz
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    Engelhard Old Pour 10oz
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  • jimq112
    jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
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    Here's a few 100 oz silver extruded bars, also a scan of the side label, the back of an unopened bar, and the 2 different ends. I believe the milled end is from a bar of stock, and the machined ends are from the bar of stock being cut down into 100 oz bars.

    If each bar is numbered in order, they sold a LOT of silver!

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  • jimq112
    jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
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    I asked my father in law about Engelhard last night and he doesn't know anything about the metals at all. He worked with chemicals at a place called Calsicat, that was bought by Mallinckrodt, that was bought by Engelhard in 1998. He knows some old timers but the old timers from Engelhard (now BASF) found the exit doors long long ago. BASF bought Engelhard in 2006 to gain technology and apparently lose competition.

    He did tell me that Charles Engelhard was the model for the book and movie Goldfinger.

    Anyway he can tell me all kinds of stories about catalysts but nothing of interest here.
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  • SilverBaron
    SilverBaron Posts: 767 ✭
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    jimq112

    Yes ....... The rippled end of the 100 oz bar is 1 end of a 10,000 oz bar that is extruded out and cut into 100's.

    And yes.... there is only 1 rippled end to each 10,000 because the other end was cut out and measured/weighed to

    determine exactly how long to cut the rest of the bar.
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  • ocon4008
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    I have a second bar that is identical to this one serial no. FG 50784.

    These are the only two Englehard bars I have; the rest are from different manufactures.image
  • mkman123
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    I think if Silverbaron or others in this project checked ebay daily for the next 3-4 months, I think you could find nearly all Engelhard bars/rounds ever made.

    I've seen more odd engelhard stuff on ebay than anywhere else such as a 14.xx oz Engelhard in a wooden box (Agblox remembers whats I am talking about, it matches his JM that came in a box).
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  • jimq112
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    1986 1 oz platinum

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    1985 1oz gold

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    1980 1oz gold

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    1976 1oz gold

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    1982 1/4 oz gold

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    I've never seen some of the bars here, really like them!





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  • bstat1020
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    Check this bad boy out!!! It measures 3/4" x 3/4" x 3/4".

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  • keepdachange
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    << <i>Check this bad boy out!!! It measures 3/4" x 3/4" x 3/4".

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  • mkman123
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    I've seen that engelhard cube before but it looks like someone else could make it themselves so I'm leery of this.

    I do like the engelhard gold rounds.
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  • AgBlox
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  • mkman123
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    that is a cool engelhard london 5 oz bar! never seen that before, 5 oz seems so little image
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  • gsa1fan
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    image nice gold bar Agblox! 5oz in weight I wonder why not measured in grams?
    Avid collector of GSA's.
  • 1jester
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    Because for the most part, the English still use the English system, not the metric system.

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  • cjmezz
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    found this..might be helpful


    http://about.ag/Engelhard-1oz.htm
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  • bstat1020
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    LINK

    Great information!!
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  • AboutAg
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    << <i>found this..might be helpful


    http://about.ag/Engelhard-1oz.htm >>



    Hi everyone,

    I'm the one behind the Engelhard 1-ounce bar page at About.Ag. FYI, I recently added pages for 5-oz and 10-oz Engelhard bars, too. Next will be 100oz bars.

    If anyone else is working on similar pages, I would be happy to link to them.


  • SilverBaron
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    AboutAg........... Great stuff ........ Keep at it. image


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  • 1jester
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    Indeed, welcome, AboutAg! Fantastic site; thanks for making it.

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  • mkman123
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    besides the Engelhard sections, that aboutag site has good information too
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  • bstat1020
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    << <i>

    << <i>found this..might be helpful


    http://about.ag/Engelhard-1oz.htm >>



    Hi everyone,

    I'm the one behind the Engelhard 1-ounce bar page at About.Ag. FYI, I recently added pages for 5-oz and 10-oz Engelhard bars, too. Next will be 100oz bars.

    If anyone else is working on similar pages, I would be happy to link to them. >>



    Great website! Please turn on your PM function.

    On your 5 oz bar page, I have one of the five digit, large logo bars and the reverse is flat. You have it listed as unknown. The one I have has a serial number of 52081... Wait a minute that is my bar pictured on your website!!! You can add a credit footnote thank you very much!!image
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  • tydye
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    Cool - I like the idea. Cant post any pics right now but I just recently picked up a 10oz bar with the Statue of Liberty. Been looking for it for a while. It was my first piece of silver I purchased when I was a kid. But have since lost. Dont know how difficult the piece is but I was elated to find another
  • bstat1020
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    Here is a new 1 ozer I got from keepdachange.

    Englehard 1 ozer frosted reverse
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  • bstat1020
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    << <i>Cool - I like the idea. Cant post any pics right now but I just recently picked up a 10oz bar with the Statue of Liberty. Been looking for it for a while. It was my first piece of silver I purchased when I was a kid. But have since lost. Dont know how difficult the piece is but I was elated to find another >>



    Sounds like a JM bar. Is it like this?
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  • tydye
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    Oops made a mistake - the Statue of Liberty bar I bought was JM not Engelhard but here are a few Engelhard bars that I picked up over the weekend

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  • AboutAg
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    << <i>Great website! Please turn on your PM function. >>



    Thanks for letting me know about that -- I didn't realize it was disabled by default. Oops!



    << <i>On your 5 oz bar page, I have one of the five digit, large logo bars and the reverse is flat. You have it listed as unknown. The one I have has a serial number of 52081... Wait a minute that is my bar pictured on your website!!! You can add a credit footnote thank you very much!!image >>



    Thanks for the information, and I would be happy to add a credit footnote on there for you (or remove the picture, if you would prefer).

    And, to update, there are now pages on 100 ounce and odd size Engelhard bars, covering everything we've run across in silver (that have serial numbers, at least). There are certainly some varieties and/or sizes that aren't there yet. From what I've seen, I'm guessing that there is a maximum of about 250 million ounces' worth of Engelhard silver bars that were ever made (about 200 million ounces of which were 100 ounce bars). Of course, many of them were probably later melted (especially the 100 ounce bars).


  • AgBlox
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    First time I've seen this 3/4 oz engelhard gold:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320499034756&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
  • bstat1020
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    LINK

    Still below spot too.
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  • keepdachange
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    20 ounce old pour

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  • bstat1020
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    Here is a 1 oz gold bar similar to the 1oz Maple design silver bar.

    LINK TO EBAY
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  • duxbutt
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    Recently I have started Collecting MTB silver. Here is a Bar made by Englehard for MTB. They also made rounds as well. Keepanchange started me on a bad habitimage


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    << <i>Keepanchange started me on a bad habitimage >>



    Could be worse, could have got you addicted to CRACK image
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