<< <i>Thanks Lava, I will assume that since there were no dissenting voices to that which is a die clash, I will take it as fact. Very good, but this one may be a wee bit more difficult.
It is 1809 O-107A..........The obverse incorporates some nice cracks, but the object of interest to me is the reverse. Specifically, what event caused the raised milling impressions?
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Lewy, The raised segments found on your coin and several other die marriages are still somewhat of a mystery to Bust Half collectors and researchers.
Even Edgar Souders still considers the exact cause for these to be a mystery. Whenever you figure it all out please let us know!
Don't worry about the Houck’s Counterstamped examples...I was trying to be a little facetious when I posted about them...
QN
Go to Early United States Coins - to order the New "Early United States Half Dollar Vol. 1 / 1794-1807" book or the 1st new Bust Quarter book!
As was I Nut. I really am quite impressed with them however.
As for what caused these impressions, I already know what caused them. I have, for a while now considered CBH to be very special in the world of US coins (although I also dabble in ancients and Hammered English).
Being that CBH are indeed special in that they incorporate nearly all venues of error and press related issue possible, I rather thought that the bust nuts must be special folks as well, and I was leading up to something here to prove this point to myself.
I am rather shocked that this remains a mystery though. Maybe I had better cool my heels and wait for someone of credible stature to come up with the answer before I proceed.
It is not that there hasn’t been different theories that have been put forth as to their cause, just that there has been no consensus as to which one is the definitive answer.
QN
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Hmmmm, Understood QN. Sounds very reminiscent to denticle impressions on Morgan dollars, which most feel are the same thing as these milling impressions. Both are a mystery to most, but they are very different things to me.
I'm a little late to the fun. We haven't had a good capped bust half weekend in a while - I was missing them. Thanks for all of the great coins to drool over and study. Here's a few:
1827 O.113a This one popped out easily from a dealer's junk box of old CBHs. The die crack couldn't be more evident within the old worn toning. An R.4 on the very cheap...
Here's a "chocolate" coin for Valentine's Day 1827 O.145 An R.5 also grabbed with less than common coin pricing...
And one more in line with Lewy's taste - 1812 O.107 doubled clash on the reverse and just a very mixed up lady on the obverse
Zap, what do you mean messed up? That is what I refer to as a beauty mark I just love extreme strike doubling. Very, very impressive.
I have seen many coins in this thread that I would love to 'pick up'. Everyone please email me with your home addresses and the hours that you will be at work.
Jdillane, I forgot to mention that the marks are not really impressions in the coin, they are 'raised' above the field.
Lewy, take up another hobby, I think you are grabbing all the ones I go after. I think our collections look a lot alike -- everything is well below ms, but the interest factor ranks high based on doubling/tripling, clashes and breaks.
As for the `09 o-107a, mine looks similar, but I never gave much thought to the reason behind those marks. Now you have me wondering. The location so far in, and even to the inside of AMERICA, is a mystery. You don't seem to have anything better to do -- solve it already.
I'm not certain about the 11:30 issue? Forgot to check the lettering at that position before I submitted the coin. Did the bust halves have edge lettering in 1812?
There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt. –John Adams, 1826
Wow You step away from these boards and POW....a great thread appears Overdates are cool And Lewy, if you are still reading this thread, Here is one you will appreciate an 1824/1 O-102, a super hard CBH to find in any condition
Good morning all and HAPPY VALENTINES DAY ........I couldn't sleep so here's one more (Ex. Meyer) for those that are still awake out west and for those that are just getting up in my neck of the woods further east.
I habitually relate color to many things that I encounter. I see personalities, temperatures, sound and situations as colors. Goldbully, I see your 'crazy toned 1835' as a real work of art. Liberty is cold blue, but I can see her warm breath and heat radiating from her head (from contemplating all of the competition in this thread).
JRocco, what do you mean "And Lewy, if you are still reading this thread," ? (You have got to be kidding)! I'll have you know that for the past day or so, this demon thread has interfered with virtually all aspects of my life. I burned the cookies, I had to cancel a handball court appointment, I need new shoes, but failed to go shopping, etc, etc. As for that 1824, I do like mine either rare or medium rare. I will never pass up an R-5 despite condition. Yours has an oval circle on the reverse above the eagle's head that I find just a wee bit distracting though . Do you figure that this is a mint related error or just PMD?
I'll shoot you an email sometime today lava.
I know that a few here have singled me out in your posts, and I have not yet replied, but I am not ignoring you. I will get back to each and everyone as I find time over the next couple of days. I really want to get to know each of you as I figure that I will eventually 'need' you a lot more than anyone will need me. Thanks again all, for making the new kid feel a little less nervous about being the new kid.
It is good to see this thread still alive and kicking Hey Lewy, I think it would be a safe bet to say that you know quite well why that little old circle is on that little old coin Here are 2 mid series overdates for a Sunday morning
One GREAT thing about this thread is that after looking at the great pix, you can really come to grips with what you are passionate about -- strike, color, grade, marriage/variety.
This thread also teaches me I have to learn how to post pix. I would love to contribute a few of my varieties, like the 1812 o-106a, along with some massive clashes, and some single leafs.
Yeah, well it has taught me that I am not competitive, All of these mint state coins that I have been shown here, I find to be absolutely mind boggling. That MS-67 was unreal (figure of speech). I'll bet you guys are snickering and laughing every time I a post a picture, so in efforts to keep up your level of amusement, here is another of my high end beauties. With the level of condition on this coin, I doubt that attribution really means much. I am rather partial to the Alfred Hitchcok style silhouette though.
(I was 'forbidden' from spelling Alfred's last name correctly....How strange).
This one is so old that moss is starting to grow in one of the cracks.
That's the one I need to get yet (1813 "single leaf").
Lewy - your 1810 is gorgeous for just what it is - a coin that did it's job while retaining a bit of its dignity. Nice clashing on the reverse, as well. zap
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<< <i>Thanks Lava, I will assume that since there were no dissenting voices to that which is a die clash, I will take it as fact. Very good, but this one may be a wee bit more difficult.
It is 1809 O-107A..........The obverse incorporates some nice cracks, but the object of interest to me is the reverse. Specifically, what event caused the raised milling impressions?
Lewy,
The raised segments found on your coin and several other die marriages are still somewhat of a mystery to Bust Half collectors and researchers.
Even Edgar Souders still considers the exact cause for these to be a mystery. Whenever you figure it all out please let us know!
Don't worry about the Houck’s Counterstamped examples...I was trying to be a little facetious when I posted about them...
QN
Go to Early United States Coins - to order the New "Early United States Half Dollar Vol. 1 / 1794-1807" book or the 1st new Bust Quarter book!
As for what caused these impressions, I already know what caused them. I have, for a while now considered CBH to be very special in the world of US coins (although I also dabble in ancients and Hammered English).
Being that CBH are indeed special in that they incorporate nearly all venues of error and press related issue possible, I rather thought that the bust nuts must be special folks as well, and I was leading up to something here to prove this point to myself.
I am rather shocked that this remains a mystery though. Maybe I had better cool my heels and wait for someone of credible stature to come up with the answer before I proceed.
It is not that there hasn’t been different theories that have been put forth as to their cause, just that there has been no consensus as to which one is the definitive answer.
QN
Go to Early United States Coins - to order the New "Early United States Half Dollar Vol. 1 / 1794-1807" book or the 1st new Bust Quarter book!
I'm a little late to the fun. We haven't had a good capped bust half weekend in a while - I was missing them. Thanks for all of the great coins to drool over and study. Here's a few:
1827 O.113a This one popped out easily from a dealer's junk box of old CBHs. The die crack couldn't be more evident within the old worn toning. An R.4 on the very cheap...
Here's a "chocolate" coin for Valentine's Day 1827 O.145 An R.5 also grabbed with less than common coin pricing...
And one more in line with Lewy's taste - 1812 O.107 doubled clash on the reverse and just a very mixed up lady on the obverse
zap
102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
BHNC #198
One more overdate. I like the 17/3 because it is just so blatant.
Lance.
I have seen many coins in this thread that I would love to 'pick up'. Everyone please email me with your home addresses and the hours that you will be at work.
Jdillane, I forgot to mention that the marks are not really impressions in the coin, they are 'raised' above the field.
Here's another personal favorite of mine and a VERY tough one to find in choice AU.....1828 O-119
My only Overdate....1824/4 MS63
My most expensive CBH for sure!!!
You can just taste the luster!! ;
–John Adams, 1826
<< <i>A bit late to the party. She's raw but at PCGS right now - anyone care to take a stab at the grade they'll assign?
Very very nice.....AU50
How about those denticles at 11:30 on the reverse??
<< <i>A bit late to the party. She's raw but at PCGS right now - anyone care to take a stab at the grade they'll assign?
I will venture AU 53, an abundance of luster and a team of graders less inclined to punish for strike could help her earn a higher grade.
Edge letters are noted to sometimes masquarade as rim ticks as they do here @ 11:30.
YOU SUCK!
Amazing coins today.
Lewy, take up another hobby, I think you are grabbing all the ones I go after. I think our collections look a lot alike -- everything is well below ms, but the interest factor ranks high based on doubling/tripling, clashes and breaks.
As for the `09 o-107a, mine looks similar, but I never gave much thought to the reason behind those marks. Now you have me wondering. The location so far in, and even to the inside of AMERICA, is a mystery. You don't seem to have anything better to do -- solve it already.
–John Adams, 1826
Yes, otherwise I am sitting on some real rarities.
Later Buddy!
Details needed here!!!
Check this crazy toned 1835 Lewy!!!!
Wow, some amazing CBHs were posted while I was gone.
Here is another one of my favorites, it may be a common variety, but the eye appeal is off the charts!!!
<< <i>Aegis, That is the strangest looking CBH that I have ever seen. Are you messin' with me? >>
Of course not. Granted, it is a contemporary counterfeit, but I don't have any genuine bust halves.
Ed. S.
(EJS)
You step away from these boards and POW....a great thread appears
Overdates are cool
And Lewy, if you are still reading this thread, Here is one you will appreciate
an 1824/1 O-102, a super hard CBH to find in any condition
We'll never get to bed if there's always just one more...
Lance.
JRocco, what do you mean "And Lewy, if you are still reading this thread," ? (You have got to be kidding)! I'll have you know that for the past day or so, this demon thread has interfered with virtually all aspects of my life. I burned the cookies, I had to cancel a handball court appointment, I need new shoes, but failed to go shopping, etc, etc.
As for that 1824, I do like mine either rare or medium rare. I will never pass up an R-5 despite condition. Yours has an oval circle on the reverse above the eagle's head that I find just a wee bit distracting though . Do you figure that this is a mint related error or just PMD?
I'll shoot you an email sometime today lava.
I know that a few here have singled me out in your posts, and I have not yet replied, but I am not ignoring you. I will get back to each and everyone as I find time over the next couple of days. I really want to get to know each of you as I figure that I will eventually 'need' you a lot more than anyone will need me. Thanks again all, for making the new kid feel a little less nervous about being the new kid.
Hey Lewy, I think it would be a safe bet to say that
you know quite well why that little old circle is on that little old coin
Here are 2 mid series overdates for a Sunday morning
JRocco, love those overdates, keep 'em coming
Here's another 1829/27.....I know we've seen a few of these already, but I'm pretty fond of the overdates as we all know.
This thread also teaches me I have to learn how to post pix. I would love to contribute a few of my varieties, like the 1812 o-106a, along with some massive clashes, and some single leafs.
BHNC member # 184!
http://www.busthalfaddict.com
(I was 'forbidden' from spelling Alfred's last name correctly....How strange).
This one is so old that moss is starting to grow in one of the cracks.
You got some nice coins buddy
1812 O.110b (a prize cherry)
1814 O.105a (bought this one from Ed Richter - anybody hear from him lately?)
1817 0.106a
1817 O.106a (presently keeping both coins)
1810 O.106a (a single leaf wannabe - check the bottom pairs)
102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
BHNC #198
Here are a couple of early birds
Maybe even a 13 single leaf ?
How about this one?
That's the one I need to get yet (1813 "single leaf").
Lewy - your 1810 is gorgeous for just what it is - a coin that did it's job while retaining a bit of its dignity. Nice clashing on the reverse, as well.
zap
102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
BHNC #198
–John Adams, 1826
the 1824/2/0 overdate is pretty cool too.