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Nice Original large cent?
Marauderrt10
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I really like the look of this coin, looks original to me?
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-Paul
<< <i>Not original. The coin was owned by Executive Coin for a long time, but the photos look like fairtraderz on ebay. Both are very knowledgeable dealers who know full well that the coin would sell for much more money if slabbed.
-Paul >>
thanks for the heads up paul, what do you think was done to it? dipped and retoned? for some reason it looks very appealing to me.
-Paul
<< <i>I agree it looks very nice. I think i was either dipped or recolored in some way.
-Paul >>
Only thing i dont like is the price
By the way thanks for that awesome G$1
<< <i>If the color in the images is accurate (often a big "if"), I don't think it's original. It looks re-colored to me. >>
mark what would something like that go for if it was slabbed? im trying to find a nice gem example with nice color but its so hard.
The outer dark edges and the bronze color inside are very complimentary.
Obverse die crack is pretty sweet also.
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<< <i>If the color in the images is accurate (often a big "if"), I don't think it's original. It looks re-colored to me. >>
mark what would something like that go for if it was slabbed? im trying to find a nice gem example with nice color but its so hard. >>
What grade and color designation do you want to know about?
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<< <i>If the color in the images is accurate (often a big "if"), I don't think it's original. It looks re-colored to me. >>
mark what would something like that go for if it was slabbed? im trying to find a nice gem example with nice color but its so hard. >>
What grade and color designation do you want to know about? >>
i just mean generally. I cant find any large cents I like with color. If youve seen some what kind of prices do they bring?
Empty Nest Collection
<< <i>I just imaged that same year with reds and greens in PCGS 65RB. Will try and get the image up later. >>
really? Is it for sale
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<< <i>If the color in the images is accurate (often a big "if"), I don't think it's original. It looks re-colored to me. >>
mark what would something like that go for if it was slabbed? im trying to find a nice gem example with nice color but its so hard. >>
What grade and color designation do you want to know about? >>
i just mean generally. I cant find any large cents I like with color. If youve seen some what kind of prices do they bring? >>
Because there's not a lot of 190 year old copper that's still red?
Randall hoard cents spent decades in a barrel under a railroad depot. They have spots and unevenness. Perfect ones like this don't exist except as recolored.
The price for a 65BN is $1500 to $2k. I bought mine at Long Beach last year and at that show there were 3 or 4 to choose from. They are not uncommon because of the size of the hoard. Be patient and find a nice one.
--Jerry
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<< <i>If the color in the images is accurate (often a big "if"), I don't think it's original. It looks re-colored to me. >>
mark what would something like that go for if it was slabbed? im trying to find a nice gem example with nice color but its so hard. >>
What grade and color designation do you want to know about? >>
i just mean generally. I cant find any large cents I like with color. If youve seen some what kind of prices do they bring? >>
Large cents don't usually display a lot of attractive color if they are original. 1820 is the most common date, by far, for the Coronet type. A nice MS64RB example will probably cost between $900 and $1300. If you are OK with a Braided Hair one, it can be obtained for quite a bit less.
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<< <i>If the color in the images is accurate (often a big "if"), I don't think it's original. It looks re-colored to me. >>
mark what would something like that go for if it was slabbed? im trying to find a nice gem example with nice color but its so hard. >>
What grade and color designation do you want to know about? >>
i just mean generally. I cant find any large cents I like with color. If youve seen some what kind of prices do they bring? >>
Large cents don't usually display a lot of attractive color if they are original. 1820 is the most common date, by far, for the Coronet type. A nice MS64RB example will probably cost between $900 and $1300. If you are OK with a Braided Hair one, it can be obtained for quite a bit less. >>
Either or is fine. So for around $2000 I could probably find a really nice choice piece?
<< <i>So for around $2000 I could probably find a really nice choice piece? >>
IMHO yes... but your gonna have to have some Patience for the right example to come along.
<< <i>So for around $2000 I could probably find a really nice choice piece? >>
Without a doubt.
But I really recommend you look at lots of examples to see what nice, original color looks like, because the one in the original post ain't it.
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<< <i>If the color in the images is accurate (often a big "if"), I don't think it's original. It looks re-colored to me. >>
mark what would something like that go for if it was slabbed? im trying to find a nice gem example with nice color but its so hard. >>
What grade and color designation do you want to know about? >>
i just mean generally. I cant find any large cents I like with color. If youve seen some what kind of prices do they bring? >>
Large cents don't usually display a lot of attractive color if they are original. 1820 is the most common date, by far, for the Coronet type. A nice MS64RB example will probably cost between $900 and $1300. If you are OK with a Braided Hair one, it can be obtained for quite a bit less. >>
Either or is fine. So for around $2000 I could probably find a really nice choice piece? >>
If either type is fine, you wont have to spend anywhere close to that much. You can get a really nice MS65RB Braided Large Cent for under $1100. There are plenty to choose from, out there - just take your time and wait for one that you are thrilled with.
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These coins are out there; be patient; this is the type coin of the series. As Mark said, you can get a problem free Braided Hair Large Cent for less than half what you would have to pay for a nice 5 BN 1820 N-13.
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<< <i>thanks, i had the opportunity to purchase a MS66BN* last year for 2400 but i didnt, im kicking myself now. >>
Stop kicking yourself - I bet you can find one for that or less. And if it was, by chance, somewhat purple and/or blue in hue, I would question its originality, as well.
<< <i>It sure looks beautiful to me... whatever may have been done.
The outer dark edges and the bronze color inside are very complimentary.
Obverse die crack is pretty sweet also. >>
This coin is like shrub, oleander. It looks pretty, but it would be highly toxic to your net worth if you pay the price that might seem appropriate. Red Mint State middle date large cents don't look like that when they are original. The color is more subdued, and you don't get that redish looking rim. There is a good chance that five years from now this coin will be mostly brown or worse because it looks unstable.
The circular die break is no big deal. Most of not all of the 1820 Randal Hoard cents have that.
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<< <i>thanks, i had the opportunity to purchase a MS66BN* last year for 2400 but i didnt, im kicking myself now. >>
Stop kicking yourself - I bet you can find one for that or less. And if it was, by chance, somewhat purple and/or blue in hue, I would question its originality, as well. >>
it was very lusterous and with a light blue color over the obverse and slightly on the reverse.
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<< <i>I know I'm late to the party and I apologize for the "me, too" post, but the coin in the first post appears to have been dipped and then retoned/recolored. The Randall Hoard pieces do come spotty and dark, but they can have an attractive quality about them and can have very deep, muted colors across them, too. I've shown this one before, but here is a Randall Hoard cent that I purchased in 2003 from Pinnacle. In fact, I think that Mark Feld might still have been there and, if so, he was my main contact at Pinnacle. This piece is dark and the colors are dark. The coin also has the shadowy spots that Randall Hoard cents often have, but thankfully has no obvious spots of corrosion or evidence of boinking. It is in an NGC MS66BN holder and last year I submitted it to CAC where they agreed that it was quite nice and then put a green sticker on the slab. At the time of purchase, an MS66BN might have cost perhaps $1,500 though they are likely more today.
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Hi Tom, I can't say that I remember the coin, but I was still with Pinnacle at the time you acquired it. And based on your highly discriminating taste and great patience,, I am always happy to hear that you approve of a given coin which I have handled.
<< <i>I agree it looks very nice. I think i was either dipped or recolored in some way.
-Paul >>
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<< <i>No sticker.
For the OP coin? We've moved on to TomB's coin. --Jerry
So, one has to conclude that the seller is being less-than-forthright about what they are selling. Correct?
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Not original. The coin was owned by Executive Coin for a long time, but the photos look like fairtraderz on ebay. Both are very knowledgeable dealers who know full well that the coin would sell for much more money if slabbed.
So, one has to conclude that the seller is being less-than-forthright about what they are selling. Correct?
I don't know. It depends upon how the coin is being offered.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
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Take Care, Dave
<< <i>From what I can see, I like it. It appears to have a good strike (other than on some stars and dentils) and clean, spot-free surfaces, with nice color. Is it a 65RB or thereabouts? >>
Its a 64RB, he only wants $885 for it too
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<< <i>From what I can see, I like it. It appears to have a good strike (other than on some stars and dentils) and clean, spot-free surfaces, with nice color. Is it a 65RB or thereabouts? >>
Its a 64RB, he only wants $885 for it too
Actually, that is VERY strong money for a 64RB. You wouldn't have to pay much more for a nice 65RB. You should check the Heritage auction archives so you have a better feel for what they are selling for
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<< <i>From what I can see, I like it. It appears to have a good strike (other than on some stars and dentils) and clean, spot-free surfaces, with nice color. Is it a 65RB or thereabouts? >>
Its a 64RB, he only wants $885 for it too
Actually, that is VERY strong money for a 64RB. You wouldn't have to pay much more for a nice 65RB. You should check the Heritage auction archives so you have a better feel for what they are selling for >>
wow really? hrmm i guess ill have to keep looking. Aspen Park is selling it so I might be able to talk him down a little bit. Since im new to this series what would be a resonable price to ask for on a piece like that?
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<< <i>From what I can see, I like it. It appears to have a good strike (other than on some stars and dentils) and clean, spot-free surfaces, with nice color. Is it a 65RB or thereabouts? >>
Its a 64RB, he only wants $885 for it too
Actually, that is VERY strong money for a 64RB. You wouldn't have to pay much more for a nice 65RB. You should check the Heritage auction archives so you have a better feel for what they are selling for >>
wow really? hrmm i guess ill have to keep looking. Aspen Park is selling it so I might be able to talk him down a little bit. Since im new to this series what would be a resonable price to ask for on a piece like that? >>
I repeat "You should check the Heritage auction archives so you have a better feel for what they are selling for."
<< <i>Well, i know this is significantly more expensive than a large cent, I am a sucker for patterns. What do you think mark?
Well, since you asked, I think you should slow down, study up and focus.
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<< <i>Well, i know this is significantly more expensive than a large cent, I am a sucker for patterns. What do you think mark?
Well, since you asked, I think you should slow down, study up and focus. >>
You have much enthusiasm and that's wonderful in this hobby. I have seen your other threads
looking for a colorful large cent and asking lots of questions. That's what these forums are here
for! To ask and learn from the experts. I am no expert and I have personally asked questions
of several people who have already responded to this thread, and they've been great.
I think you should heed their advice to be patient and track a few of the upcoming Heritage Auctions;
there are always a handful of nice MS large cents for your browsing. I own a large cent and a half
cent in 64RB and I paid very strongly for the half cent because I thought the look matched my
large cent. It did, but there have been many coins that have come up in the last couple years
that also would've fit nicely and at a better value. I chalk it up to tuition. I'm not afraid to pay
strong for a coin I like, but just know the pop reports and as Mark said, check the HA archives;
besides the final hammer values, you can see roughly how often they come up for sale.
Good luck!
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