You have much enthusiasm and that's wonderful in this hobby. I have seen your other threads looking for a colorful large cent and asking lots of questions. That's what these forums are here for! To ask and learn from the experts. I am no expert and I have personally asked questions of several people who have already responded to this thread, and they've been great.
I think you should heed their advice to be patient and track a few of the upcoming Heritage Auctions; there are always a handful of nice MS large cents for your browsing. I own a large cent and a half cent in 64RB and I paid very strongly for the half cent because I thought the look matched my large cent. It did, but there have been many coins that have come up in the last couple years that also would've fit nicely and at a better value. I chalk it up to tuition. I'm not afraid to pay strong for a coin I like, but just know the pop reports and as Mark said, check the HA archives; besides the final hammer values, you can see roughly how often they come up for sale.
Good luck! >>
thank you sir! I will start looking at the auction history today and get a rough estimate on what grades sell for around. Thanks a lot mark!
Well, I did not like the first cent - recolored as we all said - liked Tom B.'s very much andwas not crazy about the 1853's color or general appearance. Does anyone know what laquer was commonly used on copper? Most natural soft resins at the time such as lac or dammar would be in alcohol or a turpentine like solvent and some resins were brittle and/or prone to cracking or powdering over long periods of time (of course, metal has nowhere the extreme reaction to changes in humidity or temperature as linen or cotton where these resins also were used), and fossil resins would be unlikely. Any research into any of this? How long did this last as a practice - I mean, before one had to relaquer and what was done to strip thses old coins?
Well, I did not like the first cent - recolored as we all said - liked Tom B.'s very much andwas not crazy about the 1853's color or general appearance. Does anyone know what laquer was commonly used on copper? Most natural soft resins at the time such as lac or dammar would be in alcohol or a turpentine like solvent and some resins were brittle and/or prone to cracking or powdering over long periods of time (of course, metal has nowhere the extreme reaction to changes in humidity or temperature as linen or cotton where these resins also were used), and fossil resins would be unlikely. Any research into any of this? How long did this last as a practice - I mean, before one had to relaquer and what was done to strip thses old coins?
Best, Eric >>
interesting analasis. I would like to know as well.
well, I got to thinking, acetone was not discovered until 1895 or 1900 so someone was using something. I am gonna guess alcohol and some common soft lac or other bug/plant wax/resin.
well, I got to thinking, acetone was not discovered until 1895 or 1900 so someone was using something. I am gonna guess alcohol and some common soft lac or other bug/plant wax/resin.
<< <i>IIRC, some form of cyanide was used back then. >>
Agree. A famous coin collector (Sanford Saltus) was cleaning coins with cyanide in 1922 while he had a glass of cyanide and a glass of ginger ale on his table. While concentrating on his coins, he grabbed the wrong glass and took a big gulp. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what happened next.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>IIRC, some form of cyanide was used back then. >>
Agree. A famous coin collector (Sanford Saltus) was cleaning coins with cyanide in 1922 while he had a glass of cyanide and a glass of ginger ale on his table. While concentrating on his coins, he grabbed the wrong glass and took a big gulp. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what happened next. >>
Common lacquer should come off easily with acetone. I watched a less-than-intelligent dealer scrub lacquer off an original Henry Hines large cent with a coin cloth.
<< <i>I really like the look of this coin, looks original to me?
>>
Since PCGS stopped guaranteeing the color of copper coins graded or sold after January 1, 2010, I wouldn't worry about it. No-one is an expert or can be 100% certain in this field anymore. It's really not a bad looking coin. Buy it, enjoy it, do whenever you want with it. And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
<<And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference. >>
I dunno, a lot of people here do see a difference and we are not even buying it. I'd not suggest someone buy a a coin that I believe to be doctored severely and just not care about selling it in the future. I'd hope I steer the collector towards a more accurately graded/preserved "original" example such as those Tom B. posted? We are hopefully setting examples for future collectors and "gasp" graders. I dunno.
<<And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference. >>
I dunno, a lot of people here do see a difference and we are not even buying it. I'd not suggest someone buy a a coin that I believe to be doctored severely and just not care about selling it in the future. I'd hope I steer the collector towards a more accurately graded/preserved "original" example such as those Tom B. posted? We are hopefully setting examples for future collectors and "gasp" graders. I dunno.
Best, Eric >>
I agree. Plenty of people would know the difference. And for those who wouldn't, they should be made aware of it.
<<And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference. >>
I dunno, a lot of people here do see a difference and we are not even buying it. I'd not suggest someone buy a a coin that I believe to be doctored severely and just not care about selling it in the future. I'd hope I steer the collector towards a more accurately graded/preserved "original" example such as those Tom B. posted? We are hopefully setting examples for future collectors and "gasp" graders. I dunno.
Best, Eric >>
I agree. Plenty of people would know the difference. And for those who wouldn't, they should be made aware of it. >>
Like me really apreciate the advise, if it wasn't for this forum I would of bought it.
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<< <i>Marauderrt10-
You have much enthusiasm and that's wonderful in this hobby. I have seen your other threads
looking for a colorful large cent and asking lots of questions. That's what these forums are here
for! To ask and learn from the experts. I am no expert and I have personally asked questions
of several people who have already responded to this thread, and they've been great.
I think you should heed their advice to be patient and track a few of the upcoming Heritage Auctions;
there are always a handful of nice MS large cents for your browsing. I own a large cent and a half
cent in 64RB and I paid very strongly for the half cent because I thought the look matched my
large cent. It did, but there have been many coins that have come up in the last couple years
that also would've fit nicely and at a better value. I chalk it up to tuition. I'm not afraid to pay
strong for a coin I like, but just know the pop reports and as Mark said, check the HA archives;
besides the final hammer values, you can see roughly how often they come up for sale.
Good luck! >>
thank you sir! I will start looking at the auction history today and get a rough estimate on what grades sell for around. Thanks a lot mark!
Well, I did not like the first cent - recolored as we all said - liked Tom B.'s very much andwas not crazy about the 1853's color or general appearance. Does anyone know what laquer was commonly used on copper? Most natural soft resins at the time such as lac or dammar would be in alcohol or a turpentine like solvent and some resins were brittle and/or prone to cracking or powdering over long periods of time (of course, metal has nowhere the extreme reaction to changes in humidity or temperature as linen or cotton where these resins also were used), and fossil resins would be unlikely. Any research into any of this? How long did this last as a practice - I mean, before one had to relaquer and what was done to strip thses old coins?
Best,
Eric
<< <i>Hi there,
Well, I did not like the first cent - recolored as we all said - liked Tom B.'s very much andwas not crazy about the 1853's color or general appearance. Does anyone know what laquer was commonly used on copper? Most natural soft resins at the time such as lac or dammar would be in alcohol or a turpentine like solvent and some resins were brittle and/or prone to cracking or powdering over long periods of time (of course, metal has nowhere the extreme reaction to changes in humidity or temperature as linen or cotton where these resins also were used), and fossil resins would be unlikely. Any research into any of this? How long did this last as a practice - I mean, before one had to relaquer and what was done to strip thses old coins?
Best,
Eric >>
interesting analasis. I would like to know as well.
well, I got to thinking, acetone was not discovered until 1895 or 1900 so someone was using something. I am gonna guess alcohol and some common soft lac or other bug/plant wax/resin.
Best,
Eric
<< <i>Hey Maurauder,
well, I got to thinking, acetone was not discovered until 1895 or 1900 so someone was using something. I am gonna guess alcohol and some common soft lac or other bug/plant wax/resin.
Best,
Eric >>
IIRC, some form of cyanide was used back then.
<< <i>IIRC, some form of cyanide was used back then. >>
Agree. A famous coin collector (Sanford Saltus) was cleaning coins with cyanide in 1922 while he had a glass of cyanide and a glass of ginger ale on his table. While concentrating on his coins, he grabbed the wrong glass and took a big gulp. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what happened next.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>
<< <i>IIRC, some form of cyanide was used back then. >>
Agree. A famous coin collector (Sanford Saltus) was cleaning coins with cyanide in 1922 while he had a glass of cyanide and a glass of ginger ale on his table. While concentrating on his coins, he grabbed the wrong glass and took a big gulp. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what happened next. >>
big coin show in the sky?
It seems this stuff is still in use for cleaning medals and bells
Best,
Eric
<< <i>Hey
It seems this stuff is still in use for cleaning medals and bells
Best,
Eric >>
yea, you couldnt give me the most expensive coin in the world to touch that stuff....
I never set foot in that shop again.
<< <i>I really like the look of this coin, looks original to me?
Since PCGS stopped guaranteeing the color of copper coins graded or sold after January 1, 2010, I wouldn't worry about it. No-one is an expert or can be 100% certain in this field anymore. It's really not a bad looking coin. Buy it, enjoy it, do whenever you want with it. And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<<And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference. >>
I dunno, a lot of people here do see a difference and we are not even buying it. I'd not suggest someone buy a a coin that I believe to be doctored severely and just not care about selling it in the future. I'd hope I steer the collector towards a more accurately graded/preserved "original" example such as those Tom B. posted? We are hopefully setting examples for future collectors and "gasp" graders. I dunno.
Best,
Eric
<< <i>Hi there,
<<And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference. >>
I dunno, a lot of people here do see a difference and we are not even buying it. I'd not suggest someone buy a a coin that I believe to be doctored severely and just not care about selling it in the future. I'd hope I steer the collector towards a more accurately graded/preserved "original" example such as those Tom B. posted? We are hopefully setting examples for future collectors and "gasp" graders. I dunno.
Best,
Eric >>
I agree. Plenty of people would know the difference. And for those who wouldn't, they should be made aware of it.
<< <i>
<< <i>Hi there,
<<And when it comes to sell, nobody will ever know the difference. >>
I dunno, a lot of people here do see a difference and we are not even buying it. I'd not suggest someone buy a a coin that I believe to be doctored severely and just not care about selling it in the future. I'd hope I steer the collector towards a more accurately graded/preserved "original" example such as those Tom B. posted? We are hopefully setting examples for future collectors and "gasp" graders. I dunno.
Best,
Eric >>
I agree. Plenty of people would know the difference. And for those who wouldn't, they should be made aware of it. >>
Like me