Tiger Woods taking PEDs? Holy Crap! What's Next?

PoppaJ · December 14, 2009 11:29PM

Doctor who treated Woods facing PED investigation!

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New York Times LINK

jeffcbay · December 14, 2009 11:41PM

It's golf...

goraiders · December 14, 2009 11:41PM

My question would have to be,Would it suprise anyone "if"
his name does get leaked out involving PEDS?

J.R.

lsutigers1973 · December 14, 2009 11:47PM

A golfer using PEDs is no different than a NASCAR driver using them. It really serves no purpose. The only perceived advantage would be increased driving distance. If you go back to Tiger's first full year on tour, he was second in average to John Daly. This year he is 21st.

If he used them to recover from his surgery, so what? It obviously provided no benefits other than quicker recovery.

jeffcbay · December 14, 2009 11:49PM

I heard he murdered a prostitute that had him on voice mail while he was on PEDs. Who the hell cares about Tiger Woods and what he does in his private life?!?! Who are we to judge how many women he bangs? I bet 90% of the people vilifying him are cheaters themselves! This Tiger Woods infatuation is driving me a bit nuts now...

nam812 · December 14, 2009 11:54PM

<< ...........This Tiger Woods infatuation is driving me a bit nuts now... >>

And it's taking too much time away from your Yankee hating infatuation.

Merry Christmas Jeff.

jeffcbay · December 14, 2009 11:59PM

You got that right!

richtree · December 15, 2009 12:08AM

<< A golfer using PEDs is no different than a NASCAR driver using them. It really serves no purpose. The only perceived advantage would be increased driving distance. If you go back to Tiger's first full year on tour, he was second in average to John Daly. This year he is 21st.

If he used them to recover from his surgery, so what? It obviously provided no benefits other than quicker recovery. >>

This is not true. PED's do so much more that just overall power. Strength, endurance, and even some would go as far as visison.

Just imagine swinging at 80% of your normal golf swing and the ball going further that 100% of your non-PED swing, even with a 7-iron.

There is so , so much more. Anyone wants to talk about it further, I would gladly having played D-I baseball in the heart of the steroid era I could tell you plently stories.

swartz1 · December 15, 2009 12:12AM

he was taking them to improve his stamina...

itzagoner · December 15, 2009 12:18AM

just when i was starting to believe in Wheaties again.....

stevek · December 15, 2009 12:19AM

Perhaps he's been using corked golf clubs?

jmoran19 · December 15, 2009 12:20AM

Yeah but based on the events that have come to light recently Tiger's PED = Viagra

jeffcbay · December 15, 2009 12:25AM

Since Woods was associated with this doctor, you might as wall just call him Barry Bonds, because the general public won't bother to look any deeper than the headline.

The thing is, Tiger Woods has always had a large group of "hatters" for many reasons... he's possibly the best golfer ever, and he's a black man in a predominantly white sport. General golf fans were dying to find a valid reason to publicly hate on him, and now that they have something, they're grabbing onto it like a dog on a bone. It's really sad to see Tiger's reputation take a dump simply because we found out he's doing things that a majority of the adults in this country do anyway. The only difference is, he does it with more money, and hotter women. Also, for every married man who cheats, there is typically another married woman on the other end.

DrJ · December 15, 2009 12:45AM

<< A golfer using PEDs is no different than a NASCAR driver using them. It really serves no purpose. The only perceived advantage would be increased driving distance. If you go back to Tiger's first full year on tour, he was second in average to John Daly. This year he is 21st.

If he used them to recover from his surgery, so what? It obviously provided no benefits other than quicker recovery. >>

Isn't this the same argument all of the steriod users in Baseball made... it only made me hit the ball a little further, I still had to hit it.

lsutigers1973 · December 15, 2009 12:52AM

<< Isn't this the same argument all of the steriod users in Baseball made... it only made me hit the ball a little further, I still had to hit it. >>

No. If you assume he was using PEDs and it made him hit the ball further, why did he drop 20 spots on average driving distance in 10 years?

itzagoner · December 15, 2009 12:54AM

<< 

<< Isn't this the same argument all of the steriod users in Baseball made... it only made me hit the ball a little further, I still had to hit it. >>

No. If you assume he was using PEDs and it made him hit the ball further, why did he drop 20 spots on average driving distance in 10 years? >>

duh. he was spending t00 much time with his putter.

cwazzy · December 15, 2009 1:06AM

<< 

<< 

<< Isn't this the same argument all of the steriod users in Baseball made... it only made me hit the ball a little further, I still had to hit it. >>

No. If you assume he was using PEDs and it made him hit the ball further, why did he drop 20 spots on average driving distance in 10 years? >>

duh. he was spending t00 much time with his putter. >>

Is there really such a thing as spending too much time with one's putter? Yeah, didn't think so.

Only in America would the Tiger Woods scandal really be news. As a culture we're a bunch of prudish hypocrites. This kind of thing happens all over the world and people in other countries don't bat an eye. So he's a man-whore. Big deal! What difference does this mean to me? Absolutely nothing. It's none of my business (or anyone else's, for that matter) who he sleeps with. This should stay between him and his family and the media should be ashamed for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Beck6 · December 15, 2009 1:07AM

I could not agree more with the stamina argument and PEDs. It is not so much driving distance, but if on the 16th hole par five on the fourth day of a tournament he is driving as far as the first day the PED's could really play a part. Greater recovery and increased ability to perform for a longer time in golf is an advantage.

sportscardtheory · December 15, 2009 1:08AM

<< Since Woods was associated with this doctor, you might as wall just call him Barry Bonds, because the general public won't bother to look any deeper than the headline.

The thing is, Tiger Woods has always had a large group of "hatters" for many reasons... he's possibly the best golfer ever, and he's a black man in a predominantly white sport. General golf fans were dying to find a valid reason to publicly hate on him, and now that they have something, they're grabbing onto it like a dog on a bone. It's really sad to see Tiger's reputation take a dump simply because we found out he's doing things that a majority of the adults in this country do anyway. The only difference is, he does it with more money, and hotter women. Also, for every married man who cheats, there is typically another married woman on the other end. >>

What are you talking about. Barry Bonds failed a drug test. Why do people still defend that a-hole.

Tabe · December 15, 2009 1:10AM

<< 

<< Isn't this the same argument all of the steriod users in Baseball made... it only made me hit the ball a little further, I still had to hit it. >>

No. If you assume he was using PEDs and it made him hit the ball further, why did he drop 20 spots on average driving distance in 10 years? >>

Because he almost never uses his driver. He gets driver distance from a 3-wood with increased accuracy over using a driver. Plus, Tiger doesn't use the latest-and-greatest equipment like a lot of guys do. Remember Phil Mickelson's crack about Tiger's gear a couple years back? All that adds up to Tiger not being a top guy in driving distance. But if you ask any pro who the most powerful player is, they'll all say Tiger - just watch the way he CRUSHES his irons. It ain't all about distance off the tee. After all, "drive for show, putt for dough".

I am surprised that people are surprised at Tiger being associated with PEDs. He's a well-known workout fanatic and has put on a ton of muscle since turning pro. He's a LOT bigger than he was in 1997/98, that's for sure. I've been saying he was a strong suspect for at least 5 years.

Tabe

Barfvader · December 15, 2009 1:13AM

<< he was taking them to improve his stamina... >>

jeffcbay · December 15, 2009 1:40AM

<< Only in America would the Tiger Woods scandal really be news. As a culture we're a bunch of prudish hypocrites. This kind of thing happens all over the world and people in other countries don't bat an eye. So he's a man-whore. Big deal! What difference does this mean to me? Absolutely nothing. It's none of my business (or anyone else's, for that matter) who he sleeps with. This should stay between him and his family and the media should be ashamed for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

>>

Nathaniel1960 · December 15, 2009 1:50AM

Bankruptcy?

swartz1 · December 15, 2009 1:50AM

I wonder why the media is covering this so hard?

what else do they have to report/cover right now?

let me stop...I dont want to get the thread locked...

WinPitcher · December 15, 2009 2:37AM

It does not surprise me that he might have used PED's.

The 14th or 15th woman has come forward, it seems like one a day has come forward

maybe that is a reason the press keeps it in the news?

I'm like Jeff I'm tired of it and have been since about day 3 of this debacle.

Steve

TurbosHockey · December 15, 2009 2:42AM

This Dr. was his Dr after his knee operation. So last year he won ZERO majors. Not sure why this is a story really. Oh well at least the journalists have easy stories to write.

itzagoner · December 15, 2009 2:47AM

hmmmm.

this raises an interesting question.

is it possible that Tigger was just overly promiscuous because he needed the endorphins for his knee?

the question may plague me for minutes.

nightcrawler · December 15, 2009 3:29AM

So I guess slamming the car into a tree was a result of roid rage.

lawnmowerman · December 15, 2009 4:29AM

<< 

<< A golfer using PEDs is no different than a NASCAR driver using them. It really serves no purpose. The only perceived advantage would be increased driving distance. If you go back to Tiger's first full year on tour, he was second in average to John Daly. This year he is 21st.

If he used them to recover from his surgery, so what? It obviously provided no benefits other than quicker recovery. >>

This is not true. PED's do so much more that just overall power. Strength, endurance, and even some would go as far as visison.

Just imagine swinging at 80% of your normal golf swing and the ball going further that 100% of your non-PED swing, even with a 7-iron >>

Exactly! I was going to say the same thing.

edit: Not to mention the added confidence that goes along with knowing you have that "bonus" that others may not have.

jeffcbay · December 15, 2009 4:31AM

<< This Dr. was his Dr after his knee operation. So last year he won ZERO majors. Not sure why this is a story really. Oh well at least the journalists have easy stories to write. >>

storm888 · December 15, 2009 4:49AM

If there is no PGA prohibition against using PEDs, there is no problem
with TW using them.

TW is one of my fave golfers. I don't worship athletes or celebs
so I am not at all disappointed by any of his recent conduct; he
is a great golfer.

About 80% of TW's lifetime earnings have come from sponsor and
endorsement money. His "clean" image made him rich; that is why
folks are a bit disgusted by the recent public revelations.

As it turns out, TW is a longtime hypocrite/liar/fraud. THAT is why
the story is sticking near page one.

For MANY years his "people" have been covering up his bad conduct.
That conduct was NOT a secret to the hundreds of folks who closely
interacted with him. ONLY the consumer-peasants who have funded
his lifestyle were fooled by his "family first" nonsense.

........................

Since golfers largely police themselves on the course, it is NOT unreasonable
to wonder if TW has always been more "honest" on the course than he has
off the course.

The PGA really needs to look at the issue and put that element of the controversy
to rest.

................................

Though it looks like somebody "hates" TW and is conspiring to bury him, I have
my doubts.

Blowing open TW's conspiracy to defraud consumers is not the same as a
conspiracy to bury him.

.................................

NIKE is stuck. They cannot dump him.

ELY and SHLD are waiting in the wings.

There would be some fun irony if SHLD (Kmart/Sears) picked him
up after, in their previous incarnation, havng dumped Fuzzy Zoeller
for making an "inappropriate joke" about TW.

If NIKE booted TW, it is more likely that he would launch Tiger Woods
Golf, Inc. as a manufacturing competitior rather than go with ELY.
He could use the same slave-labor countries to mfg his stuff that
NIKE currently uses. NIKE is stuck with the one that brought 'em.

Tag Heuer (LVMH) - the world's largest maker of "luxury goods" -
could go either way. Their market tends not to make too many
genuine moral/ethical judgements.

..........................

Divorce is the perfect remedy.

He needs to escape that horrible prop that he used to perpetrate
his fraud. It will cost him a TON of money, but he will be MUCH
happier living the fun life that he has shown he prefers.

Hopefully, by Valentine's Day, TW will be on his way to freedom.

...........

Meanwhile, some elements of the MSM - those that have benefited
the most from some elements of the fraud - continue to protect their
mealticket.

Ian Baker-Finch -- former PGA golfer-turned-announcer on CBS -- told the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday, "Mate, if I say one word about Tiger, I will get fired."
CBS had no comment, so far.

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Tabe · December 15, 2009 5:02AM

<< If there is no PGA prohibition against using PEDs, there is no problem
with TW using them. >>

Nearly all PEDs are illegal to use at all without a legit prescription. And Tiger wouldn't have a legit prescription for most of his career.

Tabe

storm888 · December 15, 2009 5:23AM

I suspect it is fairly easy for folks to find friendly doctors to
write "legit" scrips.

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Signs and Symptoms of PED use:

•Personality change/mood swings
•Euphoria/failure to recognize injury
•Aggression/hostility/temper/flares
•Physical/verbal abuse
•Anxiety/tremor/insomnia
•Defiance of rules
•Depression
•Decreased or increased appetite
•Reluctance to talk about PEDs
•Severe headaches
•Rapid gain in weight and muscle
•Tendon strain/rupture
•High blood pressure
•Acne
•Stretch marks
•Premature balding
•Women: deep voice, facial hair, shrinking breasts
•Men: breast enlargement, testicular atrophy

TomGshotput · December 15, 2009 5:28AM

If Tiger Woods was using illegal and dangerous drugs, yet was not caught by drug testing, this just continues to decrease the incentives for any athlete to stay off them

When the media and law enforcement do a better at catching drug use than drug tests something is very wrong

lanemyer85 · December 15, 2009 5:40AM

as in the case of PEDs in baseball or even football, if they didn't help the players wouldn't be taking them. Quite frankly I would be shocked if he wasn't taking HGH or something new. Besides HGH is so 2000. Tech or Tek 16 is the new kid on the block...developed in Jamaica and like HGH it's undetectable...just ask Hussein Bolt.

jeffcbay · December 15, 2009 5:43AM

Like I said, all the media has to do is name that doctor, and Tiger Woods in the same headline, and he's as good as guilty.

storm888 · December 15, 2009 5:44AM

This Tag Heuer propaganda indicates why there seems
to be a lot of "outrage" present.

The sponsors ALL had a great athlete, but they insisted on
trying to sell him as a "great human."

...................

Tag/LVMH Pitch...........

First golfer to win four consecutive major championships.

It is both his character and his achievements that make Tiger Woods unique.

He is the youngest placer to have won 3 green jackets, he won the US Open in 2000 by an incredible 15 shots, and he has a total of 9 major championships to his name.

In 2001 he became the first golfer in history to hold all four major titles at once. Outside of golf, Tiger is one of the greatest sports champions in history. {b}With his personality and his results, he is a perfect example of prestige and performance which are so important to TAG Heuer.

His personal obsession with results and perfection, his ability to withstand pressure, to meet expectations and exceed them, but also his love of discipline – all this makes him a natural partner for the brand.

Tiger Woods has been closely involved with the development of a completely new watch, the first professional golf watch specifically designed to meet the unique ergonomic requirements of the game.

..........................................

Is the watch SNAD?

Nope. Great watch.

The spokesman is at least a little SNAD, I guess.

My friend who works at the airport says all of the
30-foot long Tag posters with TW pimping the
watches were removed over the weekend.

WinPitcher · December 15, 2009 6:11AM

Jeff

All the media said was that a DR. that had treated Woods at one time was arrested for steroids.

They made no mention nor did I take it that they were implying that he took them too.

Now I can't speak for anyone but myself but that is how I took this mornings report.

Now I said earlier it would not surprise me if he did use. But then again nothing surprises me.

Steve

Estil · December 15, 2009 6:17AM

<< I heard he murdered a prostitute that had him on voice mail while he was on PEDs. Who the hell cares about Tiger Woods and what he does in his private life?!?! Who are we to judge how many women he bangs? I bet 90% of the people vilifying him are cheaters themselves! This Tiger Woods infatuation is driving me a bit nuts now... >>

IOW, let he that is without sin cast the first stone, right?

recbball · December 15, 2009 6:43AM

<< I heard he murdered a prostitute that had him on voice mail while he was on PEDs. Who the hell cares about Tiger Woods and what he does in his private life?!?! Who are we to judge how many women he bangs? I bet 90% of the people vilifying him are cheaters themselves! This Tiger Woods infatuation is driving me a bit nuts now... >>

While I don't like golf and could care less about Woods and his personal life this is why the media wonlt let it go.

The media are replaying an interview he did last month where Woods says something to the extent that he's spending alot more time at home now with his wife and kids and is embracing the whole domestic thing.
Now the whole world knows he's full of sh*t. His word means nothing!
When you are endorsing products for billions of dollars this could be a problem, lol.

digicat · December 15, 2009 6:59AM

<< I bet 90% of the people vilifying him are cheaters themselves! >>

You probably lost that bet.

<< IOW, let he that is without sin cast the first stone, right? >>

Hopefully Tiger will "go and sin no more."

storm888 · December 15, 2009 7:29AM

"...<>

You probably lost that bet.

<< IOW, let he that is without sin cast the first stone, right? >>

Hopefully Tiger will "go and sin no more" ..."

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IF the sole purpose of the marriage was biznez related - as
he told his mistresses and likely others - I am not at all sure
that there is really a "morality" issue in play anywhere other
than in the minds of the anti-cheater crowd.

The hypocrisy is what has spawned much of the public disdain.

TW's conduct has LONG been on dispaly for anybody that saw him
out and about around the globe........AND in his own neighborhood.
One of his local bars says his "nightly tab" was in the $1,500 range;
that establishment is an Orlando "hostess joint."

ALL of the folks around him knew the image was a fake. Consumers
of the products he pumps - based on his "clean" image - now know
it too and they are simply pist about being tricked/fooled.

If he had divorced his beard a few months ago, he could have avoided
this mess. Better late than never, tho.

SDavid · December 15, 2009 7:30AM

<< I suspect it is fairly easy for folks to find friendly doctors to
write "legit" scrips.
>>

Yeah, but would they be able to legally get prescriptions for dosages large enough to achieve significant anabolic results?

storm888 · December 15, 2009 7:41AM

<< 

<< I suspect it is fairly easy for folks to find friendly doctors to
write "legit" scrips.
>>

Yeah, but would they be able to legally get prescriptions for dosages large enough to achieve significant anabolic results? >>

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Maybe if they drove them across the Canadian/Mexican border themselves.

Or, maybe he was a doc-shopper and had lots of "legit" docs.

Or, maybe he NEVER did any PEDs. He has repeatedly talked about how bad
such drugs are for young folks. Even folks with credibility problems often tell
the truth about some things.

Since I think ALL drug laws are ridiculous, I am not vulnerable to getting mad
at PED-users, provided their sport's rules don't prohibit them. If they violate
those rules, they are cheating.

fkw · December 15, 2009 9:12AM

Main reason Steroids are used is to recover faster after an injury, not for strength or bulk.

A Golfer can get injured swinging, just like tennis or baseball.

BTW.... Pitchers take steroids more than people think.....

hammered · December 15, 2009 9:24AM

<< Main reason Steroids are used is to recover faster after an injury, not for strength or bulk.

A Golfer can get injured swinging, just like tennis or baseball.

BTW.... Pitchers take steroids more than people think..... >>

Totally true - injury recovery, not strength. I have a buddy who is a PGA pro in CO. When he was younger, he added muscle to lengthen his drives. It totally messed up his swing, and he abandoned the regimen.

metsfan · December 15, 2009 9:38AM

<< as in the case of PEDs in baseball or even football, if they didn't help the players wouldn't be taking them. Quite frankly I would be shocked if he wasn't taking HGH or something new. Besides HGH is so 2000. Tech or Tek 16 is the new kid on the block...developed in Jamaica and like HGH it's undetectable...just ask Hussein Bolt. >>

Always wondered why Hussein Bolt never failed a drug test. He breaks a new record every time he runs.

storm888 · December 16, 2009 3:22AM

AP's Athlete of the Decade - TW - will likely be served with notice
of a divorce action within days.

................

The woman is expected to sign a competing sponsorship agreement
with Puma by early 2010.

..........................

UPDATE: People is also now reporting that Woods' wife is planning to leave him. A source says, "She's made up her mind. There's nothing to think about: he's never going to change."

The Mirror reports that Tiger Woods' wife Elin Nordegren may be seeing celebrity lawyer Sorrell Trope as soon as next week. According to the article, "Elin is believed to be planning to file for divorce in California -- where the couple have a home -- and not Florida, where they live." Filing for divorce in California would increase the chances that the couple's property would be split evenly between the two.

MSNBC's The Scoop quotes a source who says "she and Tiger are living separately now, but she'll be making this split very open and official right after Christmas."

Meanwhile, a source tells TMZ that Nordegren is "very close" to signing a contract with Puma, a rival of Nike, the apparel company with which Woods has long been affiliated. This report comes as Woods is struggling to keep his sponsors.

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And, Charles Barkley and one of the 14 TW-mistresses are reportedly "paling around."

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His friends show support.........

More athletes and celebrities are beginning to weigh in on the fallout from Tiger Woods' sex scandal, offering advice or just adding another opinion to the mix.

Charles Barkley and Spike Lee say in an upcoming episode of "With All Due Respect" that they are worried about Woods. Barkley says the golfer has changed his cell phone number, which Barkley believes is a mistake. Celebrity friends are "the only people who understand what it's like," he says. The Hall of Fame power forward wants Woods to know that "we love you. If you need anything, pick up the phone."

Lee added that "if Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan can't get to him, and those are his boys, then other people are making bad moves."

Meanwhile, Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis congratulated Woods on his ability to juggle so many mistresses undetected for such a long stretch of time:

" You know, most of the time there's one or two, and you can't keep that a secret. So if he can balance 14 and keep it a secret, congrats. You know, at least he knows what he wants. He don't discriminate, he's not against people, he don't care what your job, what your background is....He knew what he was after."

................................

Is anybody tracking sales of TW memorabilia during the past week?

itzagoner · December 16, 2009 3:28AM

wait a sec. Charles in charge of one of the cast-offs?

of course he don't want TDub to change his cell, he wants a better play.

jeffcbay · December 16, 2009 3:54AM

I have friends who work at the Glenmoor Country Club in North Canton, Ohio. This is where most of the golfers stay when they're competing in the Bridgestone Invitational at Firestone Country Club in Akron. My buddy said Tiger Woods usually stays under the alias "Michael Barkley", taken from his two buddies Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley. I just remembered that after reading storm's post.

Tabe · December 16, 2009 8:56AM

<< I suspect it is fairly easy for folks to find friendly doctors to
write "legit" scrips. >>

And doctors that write enough of the kind of scrips you're talking about usually end up facing charges......kinda like Tiger's doctor. And a scrip written by a "friendly" doctor is still illegal.

Tabe

Tiger Woods taking PEDs? Holy Crap! What's Next?

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