I've got 5 unopened boxes dated 4/29, 7-something AM and right now am ambivalent as to opening them. What are your opinions as to my DDR chances? Or should I just sell the proverbial pig(s) in a poke at some point?
How many boxes have you opened? How many did you have? >>
I have now opened well over 200. I am not planning to open any more and do plan on listing the final 11 boxes( 8 already listed) I have. I have another 80 coins ready to go to ANACS as soon as some of the one's I now have graded sell and feel I have more than my share already.
<< <i>I have now opened well over 200. I am not planning to open any more and do plan on listing the final 11 boxes( 8 already listed) I have. I have another 80 coins ready to go to ANACS as soon as some of the one's I now have graded sell and feel I have more than my share already. >>
Wow, 10k coins!! What percentage would you say were errors? Did you keep those stats?
No, but I have around 375 WDDR 002's and 190 WDDR 001's. The others I have no even bothered with as I feel those 2 are the major ones. If at a later date I decide one or two of the other errors is worth looking for I will do so or may eventually just sell all those other coins for someone else to go through them.
<< <i>'ve got 5 unopened boxes dated 4/29, 7-something AM and right now am ambivalent as to opening them. What are your opinions as to my DDR chances? Or should I just sell the proverbial pig(s) in a poke at some point? >>
I have opened 3 4/29 rolls and..........Zip, NADA, Ziltch
<< <i>No, but I have around 375 WDDR 002's and 190 WDDR 001's. The others I have no even bothered with as I feel those 2 are the major ones. If at a later date I decide one or two of the other errors is worth looking for I will do so or may eventually just sell all those other coins for someone else to go through them. >>
3.75% for WDDR-002, & 1.9% for WDDR-001......... and people say these are common?
<< <i>No, but I have around 375 WDDR 002's and 190 WDDR 001's. The others I have no even bothered with as I feel those 2 are the major ones. If at a later date I decide one or two of the other errors is worth looking for I will do so or may eventually just sell all those other coins for someone else to go through them. >>
pm me I need something to do when I cant sleep, when you get ready to sell them. I've picked through some boxes, but have bought more in slabs than anywhere else. Having access to most peoples inventory when I see them is a nice thing to have. Of course I think I have spent more time behind others tables at the last few shows than I ever did mine. I'm assuming you nabbed all of the 13's and 06's from the lots also? These are actually more of an intellectual and eyesight excercise for me than anything else at the moment, but that could change.
Don't see that as a die marker....I have almost 2 full rolls of the whiskers....guess I'll have to check 'em
2009 1c FY WDDR-009
Description: A small partial extra finger can be seen just under the bottom of the book.
Die Markers: Die gouges can be found above the 2nd zero and the 9 in the date. A die gouge can be found between the 9 and the rim. A die crack arcs northward from the upper left B of LIBERTY while another runs south from the lower left B. A die gouge can be found below the R of PLURIBUS. Small die gouges can be found between the upper U and S of PLURIBUS as well as to the left and right of the upper M in UNUM. Die chips can be found at the top and right edges of the book. >>
Wexler and crawford list different markers for the same variety also, and sometimes dont list others. I found a group of 10 ddr's at one table last Sunday in NGC slabs. After buying them I took forever trying to figure if they were wexler 03 or 11. 2 had none of the diagnostics listed for either on either site! 3 had diagnostics listed as 3 on one site and different markers corresponding to wexler 11 on the other. Since they use different markers for both ddr's on both sites I started thinking that wexler 3 ,11 are actually the same coin in different reverse die states. The ones that had diagnostics of both showed mint employee tooling marks in Lincolns hair. It had removed most of the zipper like die marker in his hair (an indicator of wexler 3) and the coins have a mark on the reverse corresponding to wexler 11! Those 2 listings might get changed in the near future if I get the time to send both in w/ photos etc. Having fun with these
<< <i> I found a group of 10 ddr's at one table last Sunday in NGC slabs. After buying them I took forever trying to figure if they were wexler 03 or 11. >>
Where they sold at the table as DDRs? Grade & Price?
<< <i> I found a group of 10 ddr's at one table last Sunday in NGC slabs. After buying them I took forever trying to figure if they were wexler 03 or 11. >>
Where they sold at the table as DDRs? Grade & Price? >>
NGC 65 & 66 coins. I paid $5 for the 65's and I think $8 for the 66 coins. They didnt have them labelled as ddr's. They just bought a few boxes from someone who submitted tons and sold the 67/8 coins for moon money then sold these.
<< <i>I just watched an Ebay auction end on a wddr-001/cddr-002 for around $15 including shipping of 66 cents. I haven't been following them.
Is that about what one could expect...higher?...lower?....I think I'm going to wait awhile to see, but currently I have 25 of them (unsure
whether it's worth the cost of grading with Anacs). Hopefully a buying frenzy will ensue! >>
I just sold a 67 set for over $300 if that answers your question. I have another auction with a starting bid of $199.95 that has a bid so don't hesitate or you will lose.
I sold 3sets of MS65's to a forum member for $120 each. I set of MS67 to a ebay member for $300 + which is a best offer . I don't think they put best offers in until the listing is over. I also have an auction going for a set of 67's starting at $199.95 with one bid on it. I am getting another 80 ready to send out to ANACS the first of the week.
<< <i><< 2nd order (46) will ship back to me the end of next week...this one also has the 013's and the 006's (die crack and skeleton fingers) >> The grades of these will be very interesting. >>
The 006's and 013's were not cherrypicked 'cuz I didn't have that many of them so some of these grades will be iffy
Of course, this is a guess........but having watched listings and sales of the CDDR-009 for a while now, I'm beginning to think that there maybe fewer than 1k of these
<< <i>Of course, this is a guess........but having watched listings and sales of the CDDR-009 for a while now, I'm beginning to think that there maybe fewer than 1k of these
Any other educated guesses? >>
I think you may be right, and I think those along with the CDDR-001s and particularly the CDDR-002s are a hell of a lot lot rarer than most people think...
<< <i>Of course, this is a guess........but having watched listings and sales of the CDDR-009 for a while now, I'm beginning to think that there maybe fewer than 1k of these
Any other educated guesses? >>
I'll bet 4-5k or maybe a little less. Im figuring at least 50% of the lp2 boxes are squirelled away by people unaware of the ddr's. Less than 1k would bode extremely well for their future and 50 bucks would be a bargain. Under 3k mintage would probably have them in the 500-1000 dollar range in the future only due to them not being as dramatic as a 55dd. They would beat the 72 only due to their extreme rarity of course. Of course I thought the same about no s cents since they werent that "big of a deal" to me and I thought they would be thousand dollar coins. Just my guess and I havent been the best nor worst prognosticator in the past.
<< <i>I may be wrong, but I believe the CDDR-009 was found in only one box date. >>
Both the CDDR-009 (WDDR-006) - skeleton finger - and the CDDR-006 (WDDR-007) - bent spine - share the same exact DDO-002... therefore they both likely had a much shorter run than any of the other DDR's (due to the Reverse dies being switched out at some point during the life of the Obverse die).
I don't know which box date(s) that had the skeleton finger, but the bent spine was found in two consecutive dates that I know of (in pretty limited quantities at that).
<< <i>Well, the 009 was found in 4/23 boxes, according to the postings on this thread. What were the dates for the other DDO/DDR? >>
05/04 & 05/05..... seems like quite a spread between the two?? Unless that particular minting machine went "down" for awhile between reverse die changes??
The dates/inspectors are just who packaged them. I posted earlier in a different thread the following
There is a pattern for most of them. The 12 & 13 finds in 5/01 boxes may be an abberation as is the 1,2,3,4 showing up early and late. Wexler 6 & 7 are found in a day or 2 's run and nowhere else. Others like Wexler 5 must have lived forever as they are like flies. My theory is they use big bins and after the first few days run a second bin was brought in before the first was finished. The new bin was in front and got used up , then they finished the 1st bin off. Hence the gap. For the most part there is a discernable pattern. Notice in the first few weeks everyone said 9774 boxes sucked? Do some necropost hunting and everyone posted it was 4-27 to 4-30 9883 for the sweet spot. The best 2 boxes I've heard of were a 4-27 9774 and a 4-16 box (couldnt get inspector code). They both yeilded over 40 better coins but that includes the ddo and the die clashes along with the ddr's. The different inspectors do yeild different ddr's on the same date which shows some sort of delineation. There must be 2 packaging lines using different bins.
Does anyone wonder why the production of lp-2 boxes stopped for 3 weeks and when they fired up again in late may there was nothing in them anymore?? I think they saw they had a problem and I'll bet destroyed the rest of whatever was left in ddr's 1-13. Just a theory, but I do know they showed up in Detroit and pulled certain boxes from Detroit area banks when the adams double edge dollars were coming out there. They do have a pretty proactive approach to these things at times. They may have seen the problem with the bearing on the die hubber replaced it and destroyed whatever was left of the runs. I have noticed some of the coins like wexler 17 & 27 seem to not be anywhere in any number. The one report I have of a find was from a 4-27 to 30 range box. The 17 was the only one from a sampling group of 5 boxes produced together.
I think I jst got some more support for my theory! Seems the wexler 13 coins coming from 5/01 boxes are all 13-A! Thats the early die state without the massive crack. Obviously the crack wouldnt heal itself nor be repaired since it was so large a "fill in repair" wouldnt hold.
<< <i> Im figuring at least 50% of the lp2 boxes are squirelled away by people unaware of the ddr's. >>
Ineresting, I figured everyone knew about the DDRs. I love error coins, that's the only reason I became involved in these, I bought zero LP1 sets.
What's the point in buying a box of coins that you're never going to open?
Why are LP1s worth $80-$100? So, the coins are rolled in special mint wrapping, so.....??? >>
There are a lot of people that religiously buy things from the mint, yet never read a coin world or anything else. Most of these are nonactive collectors in any sense of the word except for squirelling things away for the grandkids. Plus a lot of people that know are too afraid to open their sets and think they will be worth more in the future unopened. Unless the buye knows exactly which date code and time which comes out of they wont pay accordingly. The time has a large factor as some errors are as a hypothetical example found say on the 23rd and early on the 24th but after 10am on the 24th it switches to another variety. Theres a lot of these sitting in small dealers inventory who have very little idea what comes out of where and are only aware there are double dies. They know their box has some (but not which ones) and will ask moon money so those will still be there for the near future.
<< <i>A 4/23 box sells for $47.88 today, while 3 other boxes with the same inspector number, and close to the same time, remain unsold for $39.99 BIN. >>
Man...those have to be the extremes. I have bought MANY boxes, all supposed prime dates, and NEVER paid over $29 inc. shipping
I will also add I opened 3 boxes today 2- 4/30's and a 5/1 and got a few 004's TOTAL. So much for the prime 4/30's
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<< <i>Just open 5 more rolls;
9774 07:58 10 WDDR 001's 13WDDR 002 4/30
9774 11:31 4 WDDR 001's 2 WDDR 002 4/21
9774 12:03 6 WDDR 001's 8 WDDR 002 4/30
9774 11:58 0 WDDR 001's 10WDDR 002 4/21
9774 10;32 0 WDDR 001's 2WDDR 002 4/28
Overall not too bad! >>
How many boxes have you opened? How many did you have?
<< <i>
<< <i>Just open 5 more rolls;
9774 07:58 10 WDDR 001's 13WDDR 002 4/30
9774 11:31 4 WDDR 001's 2 WDDR 002 4/21
9774 12:03 6 WDDR 001's 8 WDDR 002 4/30
9774 11:58 0 WDDR 001's 10WDDR 002 4/21
9774 10;32 0 WDDR 001's 2WDDR 002 4/28
Overall not too bad! >>
How many boxes have you opened? How many did you have? >>
I have now opened well over 200. I am not planning to open any more and do plan on listing the final 11 boxes( 8 already listed) I have. I have another 80 coins ready to go to ANACS as soon as some of the one's I now have graded sell and feel I have more than my share already.
<< <i>I have now opened well over 200. I am not planning to open any more and do plan on listing the final 11 boxes( 8 already listed) I have. I have another 80 coins ready to go to ANACS as soon as some of the one's I now have graded sell and feel I have more than my share already. >>
Wow, 10k coins!! What percentage would you say were errors? Did you keep those stats?
<< <i>'ve got 5 unopened boxes dated 4/29, 7-something AM and right now am ambivalent as to opening them. What are your opinions as to my DDR chances? Or should I just sell the proverbial pig(s) in a poke at some point? >>
I have opened 3 4/29 rolls and..........Zip, NADA, Ziltch
<< <i>No, but I have around 375 WDDR 002's and 190 WDDR 001's. The others I have no even bothered with as I feel those 2 are the major ones. If at a later date I decide one or two of the other errors is worth looking for I will do so or may eventually just sell all those other coins for someone else to go through them. >>
3.75% for WDDR-002, & 1.9% for WDDR-001......... and people say these are common?
<< <i>No, but I have around 375 WDDR 002's and 190 WDDR 001's. The others I have no even bothered with as I feel those 2 are the major ones. If at a later date I decide one or two of the other errors is worth looking for I will do so or may eventually just sell all those other coins for someone else to go through them. >>
pm me I need something to do when I cant sleep, when you get ready to sell them. I've picked through some boxes, but have bought more in slabs than anywhere else. Having access to most peoples inventory when I see them is a nice thing to have. Of course I think I have spent more time behind others tables at the last few shows than I ever did mine. I'm assuming you nabbed all of the 13's and 06's from the lots also? These are actually more of an intellectual and eyesight excercise for me than anything else at the moment, but that could change.
I got so many because I paid my dues. I now need to sell some.
<< <i>
<< <i>Check those as most are wexler ddr09. >>
Don't see that as a die marker....I have almost 2 full rolls of the whiskers....guess I'll have to check 'em
2009 1c FY WDDR-009
Description: A small partial extra finger can be seen just under the bottom of the book.
Die Markers: Die gouges can be found above the 2nd zero and the 9 in the date. A die gouge can be found between the 9 and the rim. A die crack arcs northward from the upper left B of LIBERTY while another runs south from the lower left B. A die gouge can be found below the R of PLURIBUS. Small die gouges can be found between the upper U and S of PLURIBUS as well as to the left and right of the upper M in UNUM. Die chips can be found at the top and right edges of the book. >>
Wexler and crawford list different markers for the same variety also, and sometimes dont list others. I found a group of 10 ddr's at one table last Sunday in NGC slabs. After buying them I took forever trying to figure if they were wexler 03 or 11. 2 had none of the diagnostics listed for either on either site! 3 had diagnostics listed as 3 on one site and different markers corresponding to wexler 11 on the other. Since they use different markers for both ddr's on both sites I started thinking that wexler 3 ,11 are actually the same coin in different reverse die states. The ones that had diagnostics of both showed mint employee tooling marks in Lincolns hair. It had removed most of the zipper like die marker in his hair (an indicator of wexler 3) and the coins have a mark on the reverse corresponding to wexler 11! Those 2 listings might get changed in the near future if I get the time to send both in w/ photos etc. Having fun with these
<< <i> I found a group of 10 ddr's at one table last Sunday in NGC slabs. After buying them I took forever trying to figure if they were wexler 03 or 11. >>
Where they sold at the table as DDRs? Grade & Price?
<< <i>
<< <i> I found a group of 10 ddr's at one table last Sunday in NGC slabs. After buying them I took forever trying to figure if they were wexler 03 or 11. >>
Where they sold at the table as DDRs? Grade & Price? >>
NGC 65 & 66 coins. I paid $5 for the 65's and I think $8 for the 66 coins. They didnt have them labelled as ddr's. They just bought a few boxes from someone who submitted tons and sold the 67/8 coins for moon money then sold these.
hopefully I will find a couple of nice examples of the wddr-006 (skeleton finger). for the curious, I paid $35 a box with free shipping for
three boxes....wish me luck!
The Beatles
You don't need luck, you are luckyman!
<< <i>hopefully I will find a couple of nice examples of the wddr-006 (skeleton finger). >>
I've heard some speculate the 006 may be a $100+ coin.
Is that about what one could expect...higher?...lower?....I think I'm going to wait awhile to see, but currently I have 25 of them (unsure
whether it's worth the cost of grading with Anacs). Hopefully a buying frenzy will ensue!
The Beatles
4/23/09
<< <i>I just watched an Ebay auction end on a wddr-001/cddr-002 for around $15 including shipping of 66 cents. I haven't been following them.
Is that about what one could expect...higher?...lower?....I think I'm going to wait awhile to see, but currently I have 25 of them (unsure
whether it's worth the cost of grading with Anacs). Hopefully a buying frenzy will ensue! >>
I just sold a 67 set for over $300 if that answers your question. I have another auction with a starting bid of $199.95 that has a bid so don't hesitate or you will lose.
The Beatles
best to send to Anacs! Thanks! I missed the 2008 reverse 2007 silver eagle early threads and the opportunity to make huge profits like
some here were able to. I don't want to miss this opportunity....and it's fun searching through these rolls! Every time I see an error
through my loupe, it's a little like Christmas! (even though it's 110 degrees here in the desert!)
The Beatles
<< <i>I just sold a 67 set for over $300 >>
Was that a private sale?
<< <i>
<< <i>I just sold a 67 set for over $300 >>
Was that a private sale? >>
He sold one on the bay so far. Sorry to answer for you.
a "dry hot"...he he....tests your stamina out on the golf course I'll tell you.....air conditioned roll searching is easier
just finished a box of 4/30...got 7-wddr-004's and a couple that I still have to figure out the # off the Wexler site, subtle dd's that I
haven't seen before in rolls but seem to remember seeing them on Wexler's site. I wish I had a camera that could take closeups or that
I could configure my scanner to effectively show the errors. Well, guys....I'm sure we'll catch up later in this thread.....good luck to
you all in your individual quests! cheers!
The Beatles
I refuse to look at the posted grades until I get them back 'cuz I love going through them one by one in hand....
2nd order (46) will ship back to me the end of next week...this one also has the 013's and the 006's (die crack and skeleton fingers)
<< <i>2nd order (46) will ship back to me the end of next week...this one also has the 013's and the 006's (die crack and skeleton fingers)
The grades of these will be very interesting. How long are you guys waiting for your returns; 30days?
<< <i>high desert Mojave area in California....HOT! >>
<< <i> The grades of these will be very interesting. How long are you guys waiting for your returns; 30days >>
ANACS rec'd on 6/30..shipped 7/17
<< <i><< 2nd order (46) will ship back to me the end of next week...this one also has the 013's and the 006's (die crack and skeleton fingers) >> The grades of these will be very interesting. >>
The 006's and 013's were not cherrypicked 'cuz I didn't have that many of them so some of these grades will be iffy
Any other educated guesses?
<< <i>Of course, this is a guess........but having watched listings and sales of the CDDR-009 for a while now, I'm beginning to think that there maybe fewer than 1k of these
Any other educated guesses? >>
I think you may be right, and I think those along with the CDDR-001s and particularly the CDDR-002s are a hell of a lot lot rarer than most people think...
<< <i>Of course, this is a guess........but having watched listings and sales of the CDDR-009 for a while now, I'm beginning to think that there maybe fewer than 1k of these
Any other educated guesses? >>
I'll bet 4-5k or maybe a little less. Im figuring at least 50% of the lp2 boxes are squirelled away by people unaware of the ddr's. Less than 1k would bode extremely well for their future and 50 bucks would be a bargain. Under 3k mintage would probably have them in the 500-1000 dollar range in the future only due to them not being as dramatic as a 55dd. They would beat the 72 only due to their extreme rarity of course. Of course I thought the same about no s cents since they werent that "big of a deal" to me and I thought they would be thousand dollar coins. Just my guess and I havent been the best nor worst prognosticator in the past.
<< <i>I may be wrong, but I believe the CDDR-009 was found in only one box date. >>
Both the CDDR-009 (WDDR-006) - skeleton finger - and the CDDR-006 (WDDR-007) - bent spine - share the same exact DDO-002... therefore they both likely had a much shorter run than any of the other DDR's (due to the Reverse dies being switched out at some point during the life of the Obverse die).
I don't know which box date(s) that had the skeleton finger, but the bent spine was found in two consecutive dates that I know of (in pretty limited quantities at that).
<< <i>Well, the 009 was found in 4/23 boxes, according to the postings on this thread. What were the dates for the other DDO/DDR? >>
05/04 & 05/05..... seems like quite a spread between the two?? Unless that particular minting machine went "down" for awhile between reverse die changes??
There is a pattern for most of them. The 12 & 13 finds in 5/01 boxes may be an abberation as is the 1,2,3,4 showing up early and late. Wexler 6 & 7 are found in a day or 2 's run and nowhere else. Others like Wexler 5 must have lived forever as they are like flies. My theory is they use big bins and after the first few days run a second bin was brought in before the first was finished. The new bin was in front and got used up , then they finished the 1st bin off. Hence the gap. For the most part there is a discernable pattern. Notice in the first few weeks everyone said 9774 boxes sucked? Do some necropost hunting and everyone posted it was 4-27 to 4-30 9883 for the sweet spot. The best 2 boxes I've heard of were a 4-27 9774 and a 4-16 box (couldnt get inspector code). They both yeilded over 40 better coins but that includes the ddo and the die clashes along with the ddr's. The different inspectors do yeild different ddr's on the same date which shows some sort of delineation. There must be 2 packaging lines using different bins.
Does anyone wonder why the production of lp-2 boxes stopped for 3 weeks and when they fired up again in late may there was nothing in them anymore?? I think they saw they had a problem and I'll bet destroyed the rest of whatever was left in ddr's 1-13. Just a theory, but I do know they showed up in Detroit and pulled certain boxes from Detroit area banks when the adams double edge dollars were coming out there. They do have a pretty proactive approach to these things at times. They may have seen the problem with the bearing on the die hubber replaced it and destroyed whatever was left of the runs.
I have noticed some of the coins like wexler 17 & 27 seem to not be anywhere in any number. The one report I have of a find was from a 4-27 to 30 range box. The 17 was the only one from a sampling group of 5 boxes produced together.
<< <i> Im figuring at least 50% of the lp2 boxes are squirelled away by people unaware of the ddr's. >>
Ineresting, I figured everyone knew about the DDRs. I love error coins, that's the only reason I became involved in these, I bought zero LP1 sets.
What's the point in buying a box of coins that you're never going to open?
Why are LP1s worth $80-$100? So, the coins are rolled in special mint wrapping, so.....???
<< <i>
<< <i> Im figuring at least 50% of the lp2 boxes are squirelled away by people unaware of the ddr's. >>
Ineresting, I figured everyone knew about the DDRs. I love error coins, that's the only reason I became involved in these, I bought zero LP1 sets.
What's the point in buying a box of coins that you're never going to open?
Why are LP1s worth $80-$100? So, the coins are rolled in special mint wrapping, so.....??? >>
There are a lot of people that religiously buy things from the mint, yet never read a coin world or anything else. Most of these are nonactive collectors in any sense of the word except for squirelling things away for the grandkids. Plus a lot of people that know are too afraid to open their sets and think they will be worth more in the future unopened. Unless the buye knows exactly which date code and time which comes out of they wont pay accordingly. The time has a large factor as some errors are as a hypothetical example found say on the 23rd and early on the 24th but after 10am on the 24th it switches to another variety.
Theres a lot of these sitting in small dealers inventory who have very little idea what comes out of where and are only aware there are double dies. They know their box has some (but not which ones) and will ask moon money so those will still be there for the near future.
<< <i> >>
And?
And, now WDDR-003 is now WDDR-003 & WDDO-003 paired.
Any thoughts?
<< <i>Sorry, trouble logging in.
And, now WDDR-003 is now WDDR-003 & WDDO-003 paired.
Any thoughts? >>
I'm not much for that microscopic stuff
<< <i>A 4/23 box sells for $47.88 today, while 3 other boxes with the same inspector number, and close to the same time, remain unsold for $39.99 BIN. >>
Man...those have to be the extremes. I have bought MANY boxes, all supposed prime dates, and NEVER paid over $29 inc. shipping
I will also add I opened 3 boxes today 2- 4/30's and a 5/1 and got a few 004's TOTAL. So much for the prime 4/30's
<< <i>I will also add I opened 3 boxes today 2- 4/30's and a 5/1 and got a few 004's TOTAL. So much for the prime 4/30's >>
Were the 4/30s 9883 or 9774; times?
<< <i> Were the 4/30s 9883 or 9774; times? >>
9774 07:57 4/30/09
9883 07:55 4/30/09
9774 10:44 4/30/09 opened yesterday (few 004's)