The OFFICIAL 2009 Topps Heritage Thread

BunchOBull · March 6, 2009 9:10AM

Sweet Doumit...seriously underrated offensive producer in my opinion.

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 9:23AM

Box 3:

8 SP's
8 Inserts
2 Refractors (7 refractors and 0 chromes so far)

parker95 · March 6, 2009 9:30AM

No regular chromes in regular retail? Could this be another "Jerry Hairston like" screw up?

Craig in Texas

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 9:39AM

Box 4:

8 SP's
8 Inserts
2 Refractors (9 refractors and 0 chromes)
1 CC (Milledge)

zep33 · March 6, 2009 10:32AM

Case 3 box 1

7 SPs
4 chrome (with 2 sequential Kinslers from different packs)
1 black - Grady Sizemore
Youkilis GU

zep33 · March 6, 2009 10:52AM

box 2

7 SPs again
4 chrome
GU - BJ Upton

1 pack had 5 cards and 2 pieces of gum

nam812 · March 6, 2009 10:55AM

Nice Sizemore black refractor Mike.

zep33 · March 6, 2009 11:00AM

thanks Nick

box 3 just coughed up the Smoltz Red Sox variation

HeritageAddict · March 6, 2009 11:03AM

Fantastic pull Mike, first variation of the thread.

zep33 · March 6, 2009 11:13AM

box 3

8 SPs
4 chrome
GU - Pedroia
1 blank card
Smoltz variation
Buyback - Clint Courtney

funny no refractors through 3 boxes

think I know who's boxes they ended up in

BigWorm · March 6, 2009 11:18AM

<< thanks Nick

box 3 just coughed up the Smoltz Red Sox variation

>>

very nice. now do you keep it for your set or throw it on Feebay?

zep33 · March 6, 2009 11:33AM

<< very nice. now do you keep it for your set or throw it on Feebay? >>

not sure yet but think I might keep it

box 4:

7 SPs
4 chrome - Pedroia
1 ref - Ivan Rodriguez
GU - JD Drew

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 11:53AM

Box 5:

8 SP's
8 Inserts
3 Refractors (12 Refractors and 0 Chrome)
1 CC (Dan Johnson)
and ...

zep33 · March 6, 2009 11:55AM

box 5

7 SPs
4 chrome
1 ref - Delgado
Blue auto - Cal Neeman - Cubs
Buyback - Pete Runnels - Red Sox

1 more box for tonight and then it's movie time

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 12:02PM

Oops, started sorting my cards and found one that I missed. This is from one of the first five boxes, so three of these out of five boxes so far:

parker95 · March 6, 2009 12:06PM

What the heckl!! Three BLACKS in five boxes????? That is unheard of Knopfler!!!

Craig in Texas

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 12:08PM

<< What the heckl!! Three BLACKS in five boxes????? That is unheard of Knopfler!!!

Craig in Texas >>

Three blacks, 12 refractors and zero chromes. Crazy, but I'll take it!

BigWorm · March 6, 2009 12:09PM

I was just looking @ Beckett.com price guide and they have this suff listed but with no prices yet. here is there checklist for 1960 cut sigs
BILL MAZEROSKI
DICK GROAT
EDDIE YOST
FRANK HOWARD
FRANK ROBINSON
MINNIE MINOSO
MANTLE ($1500 RIGHT NOW)
RICHIE ASHBURN
VERNON LAW
WARREN SPAHN

they also only list the 3 super sp's that we know about

zep33 · March 6, 2009 12:15PM

box 6:

9 SPs
4 chrome (2 sequential Phil Hughes from different packs)
1 ref - Angel Salome
GU - Maybin

parker95 · March 6, 2009 12:22PM

Knopfler you sure are beating the odds! Has anyone else opened regular retail yet? I wonder if Knopfler's case was just a fluke or if all regular retail cases have no regular chromes and more refractors and black refractors???

Craig in Texas

NewHeritageCollector · March 6, 2009 12:44PM

No, not yet. Hopefully I'll be getting my retail boxes from Joe (Josephcb09) soon.

I could take a few black refractors to help trade for the rest of the set.

HeritageAddict · March 6, 2009 12:46PM

Chris, very strange on the chromes but you certainly have to be happy with 3 black refractors so far. Wow, looking at the cut auto list, Topps made it very weak as well.

heritage · March 6, 2009 12:48PM

I should get my first 6 boxs tomorrow afternoon.
I need the Gum :Funny

joestalin · March 6, 2009 12:54PM

Chris you are killing it! Funny thing is if it was an autograph case, you might not as done as well! LOL

So we know how many cuts there are now, can we finally put the production number thing to rest? Who is good with math?

Kevin

Josephcb09 · March 6, 2009 1:09PM

So fred Lewis seems to be variation #4?

joestalin · March 6, 2009 1:12PM

<< So fred Lewis seems to be variation #4? >>

what? scans?

Kevin

HeritageAddict · March 6, 2009 1:16PM

Looks like they did do the Fred Lewis and Randy Winn switch.

Josephcb09 · March 6, 2009 1:16PM

Lewis Variation

BunchOBull · March 6, 2009 1:19PM

Nice large scans

joestalin · March 6, 2009 1:23PM

<< I was just looking @ Beckett.com price guide and they have this suff listed but with no prices yet. here is there checklist for 1960 cut sigs
BILL MAZEROSKI
DICK GROAT
EDDIE YOST
FRANK HOWARD
FRANK ROBINSON
MINNIE MINOSO
MANTLE ($1500 RIGHT NOW)
RICHIE ASHBURN
VERNON LAW
WARREN SPAHN

they also only list the 3 super sp's that we know about >>

First off, a few of those guys aren't even dead, Frank and Minnie signed just a few months ago on actual real one autos..now they are cuts? LMAO

I am figuring out print run right now. It looks like the hobby run is 500,000 packs. This based upon the Clubhouse Collection Dual Relics (only found in
hobby) are numbered to 10 and their are 5 of them, total 50X10,200 and you get roughly 500K packs.

Working on jumbo, blaster and retail right now.

KEvin

BigWorm · March 6, 2009 1:30PM

<< So fred Lewis seems to be variation #4? >>

i had a feeling this was gonna happen

brian26 · March 6, 2009 1:31PM

<< 

<< So fred Lewis seems to be variation #4? >>

i had a feeling this was gonna happen >>

I'm surprised this got by the crew here.

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 1:36PM

Box 6:

25 Packs (1 in the middle between the two stacks) one pack at the bottom had 10 cards including an SP and a refractor
8 SP's
9 Inserts
5 Refractors (I'm losing track without looking back, but I think that is 17 refractors and 0 chrome)

ArchStanton · March 6, 2009 1:38PM

I have six of #346, and they are all the same. Hhhrrrmmmph.

joestalin · March 6, 2009 1:45PM

a b c
--- + --- + --- = 4000
260 260 146

Can a solution be found to this?

Kevin

matthewbschultz83 · March 6, 2009 1:50PM

Do you think we'll see the opposite version of the Lewis/Winn card? Fred Lewis with a Randy Winn name, gotta be one of those as well.

joestalin · March 6, 2009 2:00PM

what number is randy winn?

MuckyMutt · March 6, 2009 2:13PM

<< I need the Gum :Funny

>>

Watch out - the gum is made in China. Probably full of melamine. Seriously!!

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 2:17PM

OK, very last pack in the case yielded the card below. So grand totals from retail case #1:

65 SP's
62 Inserts
22 Refractors
0 Chromes
4 CC including 2 Group A's
4 Black Refractors

BigWorm · March 6, 2009 2:21PM

<< Do you think we'll see the opposite version of the Lewis/Winn card? Fred Lewis with a Randy Winn name, gotta be one of those as well. >>

I think we will. It's turning out to be exactly like the 1960 set.

Basilone · March 6, 2009 2:22PM

Crazy collation from that Retail Case....I'll take the Black Refractors over the Chromes any day.

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 2:41PM

<< Crazy collation from that Retail Case....I'll take the Black Refractors over the Chromes any day. >>

Definitely! And I usually try to put together a chrome set, but I may have to switch that to a refractor set this year if the rest of my retail product ends up the same.

jimrad · March 6, 2009 2:58PM

my 2nd hobby box results

8 Short Prints
5 Chromes - 4,20 (X)2, 21,91
0 Refractors
2 BF
2 NF
1 NAP
1 T&N - Banks/Howard
Jon Lester game used jersey

ad panel
buy back - Bob Hartman

joestalin · March 6, 2009 3:04PM

anyone do any research on the ad panels? list? variations?

Kevin

zep33 · March 6, 2009 9:44PM

Highlights of last night's 6 box rip

DavidPuddy · March 6, 2009 9:46PM

Sizemore Black.
I want.....mmmmmm

BigWorm · March 6, 2009 10:28PM

<< anyone do any research on the ad panels? list? variations?

Kevin >>

beckett doesn't have a list for ad panels at all

mickeymantle24 · March 6, 2009 10:36PM

nice pulls zep!

Knopfler · March 6, 2009 10:49PM

On Box 1 of Case 2 and I just pulled a regular chrome.

nam812 · March 6, 2009 11:08PM

Looking at Chris' (Knopfler's) results from his first case got me to theorizing how that zero chrome collation could have happened. Obviously I have no working knowledge of how Topps' machines actually work, but what if there were settings that had to be set manually at the start of the pack insertion process, and one of the workers set the settings wrong and mixed up the pack insertion ratio's for chrome, refractor and black refractor? Here's what I mean:

The correct ratio of chromes was pulled by Chris, but as refractors.
The correct ratio of refractors was pulled by Chris, but as black refractors.
The correct ratio of black refractors was pulled by Chris, but as chromes.

Probably not an accurate theory, but it's plausible.

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