<< <i>have you already lost the paypal battle? I don't see how'd you lose....card was delivered as described in your listing. buyer got exactly what they won. >>
He would lose, Paypal rarely even reviews the facts of the case when it comes to SNAD. Best bet is just to take the cards back, relist them and move on.
But, since we're talking about less than 100 bucks - I'ld just take the card back - and relist it.
Not sure what the problem is - the card is well represented - one can see the holder hasn't been tampered with - and one can plainly see this is a truly OC card with no chance of getting anything other than an OC - unless ya want to jump down to like a 3?
Sorry about this guy - I have people come in my office from time to time with the dumbest remarks about their statement and insurance issues - I just give them a smile and tell them what they want to hear. Life's short I guess.
I know...this whole situation is weird....I sure hope this isn't the trend of the "NEW & IMPROVED EBAY"!!!!! I just have visions of a whole rash of PSA graded card buyers claiming that the cards AREN'T AS DESCRIBED, and attempting to get their money back and keeping the cards.......I am already leery when they made the announcement that buyers can no longer pay with check or money order......as much as I hate to say it, I hope this isn't the straw that broke the camels back....The next person who buys my PSA graded card and claim that PSA screwed up with do me in....Im going to fight it, and my days of selling on EBay are over.....
I don't know if I'm quitting the hobby, but I'm definitely starting to think maybe Ebay just might not be the best venue to sell my vintage cards at....
<< <i>I don't know if I'm quitting the hobby, but I'm definitely starting to think maybe Ebay just might not be the best venue to sell my vintage cards at.... >>
Scammers are everywhere. I have bought cards twice in the past month on Naxcom that have never been delivered.
First, the buyer appears to have gotten what he paid for.
EBAY is really a bad place to try to run an "approval service" on GRADED items. The numbers simply do not work for most sellers.
While it is true that any credit-card chargeback is unpleasant for sellers, those filed through PayPal are especially disgusting. MOST buyers are afraid to file CBs directly with their CC company; the process is not a slam-dunk for crooks. SLEAZY buyers know that PP is currently set-up to, essentially, approve all SNADs in favor of the buyer. The system is being widely abused.
During the past 60-days, many sellers have been reporting that when they escalate a dispute to a claim, the traditional message, "You have 10-days to submit evidence in support of your claim," appears as it always has. However, often within hours of the claim, PP notifies the seller that the claim has been decided in favor of the buyer.
The AG in CA now has a pile of complaints on his desk. PP's position is that while their handling of recent claims is or may be in conflcit with their published terms of service, the "we can change this language anytime" within the TOS permits their complained of conduct. Time will tell.
BUT, the appeals process and other post-CB actions available to the seller are often effective.
...............................
Defeating a SNAD claim:
The first thing to understand is that it is NOT possible for a TPGd item to be SNAD, as the term "SNAD" is contemplated by EBAY/PP, unless it was improperly described in the title/description/scan/photo.
PSA - and other TPGs in sundry categories - are sanctioned/approved/recognized by EBAY within their listing guidelines as "experts." This, on appeal, listing disclaimers - "no r/r on TPG items" - having been properly set forth, will preclude the substitution of a buyer's "expertization" for that of the professional TPG.
The persistent seller will almost always prevail in a TPG-related SNAD appeal, BUT it is seldom worth the effort for low-ticket items.
MOST appeals are granted w/o any admission of error by PP. "We have decided, as a courtesy to you, our good customer, to reverse our previous decision and have credited your account," is the typical result.
There are now numerous instances where complaints to the BBB have resulted in rapid reversals of anti-seller decisions by PayPal.
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(CC companies will not rollover for buyers as easily as PP does on the SNAD issue. PayPal's claims to the contrary are FALSE.)
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Note on ProPay:
WFC appears to be the owner of all or most of ProPay.
WFC is a primary clearing-agent of the charges that are run through PayPal. (Think of PayPal as a "freind" who is renting you their merchant account; that account was issued to PayPal by WFC.)
PayPal has negotiiated, via EBAY, the designation of ProPay as "an optional" payment method on EBAY. Ebay is being paid a substantial fee - perhaps in the form of a discount from WFC on processing charges, perhaps via a share of the annual ProPay member-fee, perhaps both.
The fact that the PayPal/ProPay "alliance" has rendered PayPal as the "cheapest option for use on EBAY" is now going to be examined by the CA AG and likley by the DOJ. It is possible that numerous violations exist within the scheme.
EBAY, left unchecked, plans to sell the rights to additional EPS services. This will increase the number of payment options, while assuring that PayPal always remains "the cheapest" option.
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Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Well put Storm! While I feel I may have won the battle with PayPal over the SNAD of the card in question, I did not feel it was worth the hassle of dealing with. If the buyers sends the items back, and they are untampered with, worst case scenairo, I lose a little bit of money and my final value fees (Doubtful the buyer will agree to let me have my final value fees back - thats a whole 'nother ball of wax that I dont even want to get started on at this time). At the same time, if I had stuck to my guns and LOSS the SNAD on the PSA card, I would have been MORTIFIED and my blood pressure would have shot up 30 points! While this is a learning experience for me, I highly doubt that I am the first person who had a buyer claim a PSA graded card was SNAD......I'm am pretty sure all other sellers take the card back and move on (unless they got a killer price on a T206 Wagner or 1952 Topps Mantle rookie), then I can see a court case ensuing over something like that.....
f he has cracked them out then I would be calling Paypal as soon as you get the cards back as he is probaly trying a switch on you.
Not what I meant, after being told this guy cracks for raw sets I just mentioned he may have cracked it for the raw set THEN decided it did not fit into his set.
Actually, yes, the buyer has a say in whether you get your final value fees back or not....if you refund the money, his items pop back up as though he never purchased them in the first place. You then have the option to pick one of three options. I believe the first one is (We have both decided not to complete the transaction)...the 2nd is (The buyer has not paid for the item)....I forgot the third....so basically, when you are picking the first one, you are hoping that the buyer agrees to it...if he doesnt....no final value fee will be returned.....Ebay has given the buyers WAYYYYYY too much power......I think they have lost their focus due to their massiveness and are prime for any upstart company to take over (of course they are sooooo big, that noone will succeed for a longggg time)
Print out a nice copy of your scan and bring it to the PO and open the return in front of an employee, preferably to Postmaster. If you don't get the right one back in the same condition you can start the postal fraud ball rolling. The buyer certainly doesn't want postal inspectors crawling up his crevice.
<< <i>If you refund the money the buyer has no say if you get your final value fees back.
Steve >>
Yes they do, Ebay has been known to suspend sellers for filing for their FVFs back when the payment was refunded without going through the mutual agreement process. If you go that way the buyer has to agree to end the transaction.
Take a deep breath and everything will be OK. We are not talking mega dollar cards. Take the Wilkens back (and the Robertson only if the seller wants to return the card), and move on. Either way you are risking a couple of neg over a relatively insiginificant transaction.
<< <i>No, the buyer can ignore the filing and you get your fees back that way.
?
Steve >>
If they ignore a mutual filing the seller gets nothing. If he files the other way and the buyer ignores it he can get his fees back and the feedback removed. If he complains though and proves payment was made the seller could be the one with the headache. All Ebay sees is the payment was made not refunded.
When you file the refund option does not appear and Ebay has been cracking down on what they call bogus UPIs, all they will see is the buyer paid. There are several things Ebay has still in their TOS that the new rules contradict.
It says sellers should leave TRUTHFUL feedback about the transaction. If a seller cannot leave anything but positive and gets slapped if they use a positive as a neg how is that being truthful.
Under the current EBAY environment, it is foolish for a seller to file a "mutual agreement" with any "buyer" who is not trusted and well known to the seller. MANY such "buyers" are intentionally failing to respond to such filings, for the purpose of assuring that the seller does NOT receive a FVF-credit.
If a seller chooses to use the NPB process, he should file a "regular" NPB and the "buyer" should receive the STRIKE.
Based on LOTS of reports, EBAY has been suspending sellers who "abuse" the NPB process. (Buyers can refuse to pay over-and-over without consequences.)
The "metric" being used by EBAY to determine "abuse by sellers" is "open NPBs at the time of account review." Sellers need to close NPBs as quickly as possible to stay off the radar that an "account review" will engender. Staggered-filings of existing NPBs may not be a good tactic. Batch- filings and PROMPT closings seem to be "safer."
EBAY considers an NPB to be "an unsatisfactory buyer experience." Any ordinary seller - not a "major" seller - with more than 2 or 3 open NPBs can easily become the target of EBAY's selective wrath.
Additionally, open-NPBs are considered aggravating factors in unrelated "seller misconduct." If "excessive" open-NPBs are found on the account of a seller being "investigated" for some other alleged infraction, the outcome will not likely be favorable to the seller.
...........
The PUSH Is On:
BIN with Immediate Payment Required is the future of EBAY. The compnay is being flooded with NPBs, continues to LIE about it, but MUST put a stop to it. IPR is the solution that EBAY has chosen.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>Just curious about the following, How many times can one buyer put in claims to Paypal? >>
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There is "a list," and PP claims they refer to it.
ALL credit-card companies also maintain "a list."
PP is now a backdoor for criminals abusing the chargeback process. A CB made through PP, is NOT recorded as a CB on the CROOKS' credit card file. It is internal to PP ONLY. This keep the dirtbags' CC company in the dark about the FACT that their cards are being repeatedly used to defraud sellers.
PP may SOON be forced out of the CB business. If a dirtbag wants to do a CB, he may soon find he will have to talk to HIS OWN CC company................NOT to some punk-monkey or a robot at PP.
If a seller has a REAL merchant account, a scamster with a problem finds himself dealing with SECURITY at his own CC company.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
The only way you wouldn't get your FVF back is if the seller objects to its filing. This case would be 100% legitimate for a FVF refund, so I would not worry about any issues there.
ProPay is just about as bad as PP, actually. My wife has a Propay account for her home-based business. When a buyer contacted his credit card company regarding delivery of an order he had placed (a slip was left but he claims he never got it from the post office), they actually froze ALL of the funds in our Propay account (at the time the balance was several hundred dollars more than the amount of his "claim"). We had to fax over proof of delivery and an e-mail from the buyer stating all was well, before they released the funds.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The problem is on the drop down list there is no spot for Buyer was issued refund only "Other" THat selection would be like raising a flag to Ebay and saying here pick on me. Ebay is suspending sellers based on their UPI filing history.
<< <i>The problem is on the drop down list there is no spot for Buyer was issued refund only "Other" THat selection would be like raising a flag to Ebay and saying here pick on me. Ebay is suspending sellers based on their UPI filing history. >>
BUT, thus far, all of the reported suspensions that have been detailed to me have involved "open disputes."
That is NOT to say that the bots/monkeys don't look at the history, ONLY that in the suspension-notices the references are always to "open claims/disputes."
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The API guys have a new product that should - in some form - be rolled out by early 2009.
The widget is "auction-auto-pay." When an auction ends, the winner's linked payment account is hit immediately. The software was developed to be used in Australia, IF the PP-ONLY scheme had been approved.
An instant and automatic payment is the ONLY practical means by which to remove EBAY from the NPB morass.
Currently, the absence of a "shopping cart" is the weakness in the auto-pay/immediate-pay protocol. When that is solved, I suspect sales to increase for most good sellers and, of course, NPBs will be eliminated. (Absent a shopping cart, PayPal will have to modify their seller-protection scheme to allow multiple-orders to be shipped under a single cover.)
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
UPDATE!!! I got the 2 "cards" in question that I sold to that buyer back today. I took someone's advice and opened them in front of a postal employee!! Inside were 4 of the COOLEST empty slab halves! While not quite worth the $320 the cards were worth, I had never seen an empty case before! (Sarcasm)....Paypal closed the case and decided in my favor....I do hope this ordeal is over!!!
<< <i>You could have him brought up on mail fraud charges, especially since you have an impartial government agent as a witness. >>
You should definitely look into this. If he's tried it with you, he will try it with others. Take it to ebay and talk to your postmaster. Get him from both angles.
<< <i>UPDATE!!! I got the 2 "cards" in question that I sold to that buyer back today. I took someone's advice and opened them in front of a postal employee!! Inside were 4 of the COOLEST empty slab halves! While not quite worth the $320 the cards were worth, I had never seen an empty case before! (Sarcasm)....Paypal closed the case and decided in my favor....I do hope this ordeal is over!!! >>
Yes...I am very serious......My feedback is over 5,000 on Ebay....I can honestly say, this has been the "ballsiest" move someone has tried....if I had not had opened that package in front of the clerk...no tellling WHAT would have happened...it would have been my word vs. his I guess.....
<< <i>the guy has some items listed for sale...maybe time for payback with buying on a second ebay account and leaving appropriate feedback for him. >>
I think everyone should ask him a question about one of his items and somehow work in to the question something about returning it if it's not as described.
looks like a lot of things he sells are used for "trimming" things too LOL
What a scumbag. If I understand you correctly, he keep the cards and sent you empty slabs and wanted his money back. I think you were screwed if you didn't open them in front of the Postal Employee. Whoever suggested that was a very smart person. It a good lesson. And he accused you of switching cards! Takes a criminal to even think that and we now know why he could think of it.
I am very reluctant to sell any more cards on e-bay. If I need to sell I think I'll do it privately on the boards. Joe
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
<< <i>You could have him brought up on mail fraud charges, especially since you have an impartial government agent as a witness. >>
You should definitely look into this. If he's tried it with you, he will try it with others. Take it to ebay and talk to your postmaster. Get him from both angles. >>
I agree 150%, I can't believe that moron has the kuhanas to try something like that, he has made it onto my block bidder list. What an ahole.
Collecting Interests: Ripken, Brooks & Frank Robinson, Old Orioles, Sweet Spot Autos, older Redskins - Riggins, Sonny, Baugh etc and anything that catches my eye.
My ghetto sportscard webpage...All Scans - No Lists!!! Stinky Linky
Joe..I may not be far behind you....While I am impressed with some of the prices some of my cards get, there are others that bidders definitely steal from me (The 1956 Mantle in a 6.5 for $790 comes to mind).........I am relatively new to the boads, but as I make friends and get to know people, I may leave Ebay behind and just sell exclusively on the boards....
<< <i>Joe..I may not be far behind you....While I am impressed with some of the prices some of my cards get, there are others that bidders definitely steal from me (The 1956 Mantle in a 6.5 for $790 comes to mind).........I am relatively new to the boads, but as I make friends and get to know people, I may leave Ebay behind and just sell exclusively on the boards.... >>
I know Ebay can be a hassle at times but don't write it off. You are reaching a world-wide audience for next to nothing. And as far as stealing goes I don't think it's fair to say that about your bidders. If you want more than you need to put a reserve on stuff like that. It closed at $790.00 because that's what the market decided it was worth. Just my .02 cents
I called them IMMEDIATELY after I opened the package.....I never left the Post Office once I saw what he had done (thank goodness it was during my lunch hour)....after I faxed opened the documentation (I had the clerk sign something), they ruled in my favor around 5:30 this evening......so,.,.....about 6 hours.....I was VERY FORTUNATE to have opened the package in front of the postal employee though.....It's too bad Ebay taped the sellers mouths shut as far as leaving negative feedback...that clown surely deserves one, and I would have left one, retalitory feedback or not!
LOL...I think prison is a little harsh, but as a seller of PSA graded cards (as probably almost every other person on here), what he did was probably the cardinal sin....All I can do is block him, move on, and PRAY that I am done dealing with him.....
I can't figure you out bobby. At first you completely overreact to the situation by not just giving th eguy his refund and freaking out, and now he LITERALLY TRIES TO STEAL OVER $300 OUT OF YOUR POCKET and you're like "ho hum, these things happen."
The guy literally tried to steal from you and now that you got your money back you're willing to let him pull this crap with other people. I'd be willing to bet if paypal sided with him you'd be on the phone with his local PD within seconds. I gotta be honest, I'm not getting a good vibe from you.
Sorry...dont mean to freak you out.......I guess I mellowed a bit out, because there is only so much ARGH ARGH ARGH you can do.....when you freak out all the time, it takes a toll on you....as far as giving the guy a refund, I still feel like that was never an option....I pay PSA $15 a card to grade my cards (unless I can catch a special).....to have someone call into a question a PSA card is something I just totally do not agree with......but I am too tired to try to explain my position....
Comments
<< <i>have you already lost the paypal battle? I don't see how'd you lose....card was delivered as described in your listing. buyer got exactly what they won. >>
He would lose, Paypal rarely even reviews the facts of the case when it comes to SNAD. Best bet is just to take the cards back, relist them and move on.
But, since we're talking about less than 100 bucks - I'ld just take the card back - and relist it.
Not sure what the problem is - the card is well represented - one can see the holder hasn't been tampered with - and one can plainly see this is a truly OC card with no chance of getting anything other than an OC - unless ya want to jump down to like a 3?
Sorry about this guy - I have people come in my office from time to time with the dumbest remarks about their statement and insurance issues - I just give them a smile and tell them what they want to hear. Life's short I guess.
Good luck.
mike
mosaic's Nolan Ryan Basic Topps registry set
mosaic's Big 3 Nolan Ryan Run Showcase
<< <i>I don't know if I'm quitting the hobby, but I'm definitely starting to think maybe Ebay just might not be the best venue to sell my vintage cards at.... >>
Scammers are everywhere. I have bought cards twice in the past month on Naxcom that have never been delivered.
EBAY is really a bad place to try to run an "approval service" on GRADED
items. The numbers simply do not work for most sellers.
While it is true that any credit-card chargeback is unpleasant for sellers,
those filed through PayPal are especially disgusting. MOST buyers are
afraid to file CBs directly with their CC company; the process is not a
slam-dunk for crooks. SLEAZY buyers know that PP is currently set-up to,
essentially, approve all SNADs in favor of the buyer. The system is being
widely abused.
During the past 60-days, many sellers have been reporting that when they
escalate a dispute to a claim, the traditional message, "You have 10-days
to submit evidence in support of your claim," appears as it always has.
However, often within hours of the claim, PP notifies the seller that the
claim has been decided in favor of the buyer.
The AG in CA now has a pile of complaints on his desk. PP's position is that
while their handling of recent claims is or may be in conflcit with their published
terms of service, the "we can change this language anytime" within the TOS
permits their complained of conduct. Time will tell.
BUT, the appeals process and other post-CB actions available to the seller
are often effective.
...............................
Defeating a SNAD claim:
The first thing to understand is that it is NOT possible for a TPGd item to be
SNAD, as the term "SNAD" is contemplated by EBAY/PP, unless it was improperly
described in the title/description/scan/photo.
PSA - and other TPGs in sundry categories - are sanctioned/approved/recognized
by EBAY within their listing guidelines as "experts." This, on appeal, listing disclaimers
- "no r/r on TPG items" - having been properly set forth, will preclude the substitution
of a buyer's "expertization" for that of the professional TPG.
The persistent seller will almost always prevail in a TPG-related SNAD appeal, BUT it
is seldom worth the effort for low-ticket items.
MOST appeals are granted w/o any admission of error by PP. "We have decided,
as a courtesy to you, our good customer, to reverse our previous decision and
have credited your account," is the typical result.
There are now numerous instances where complaints to the BBB have resulted
in rapid reversals of anti-seller decisions by PayPal.
..........
(CC companies will not rollover for buyers as easily as PP does on the SNAD issue.
PayPal's claims to the contrary are FALSE.)
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Note on ProPay:
WFC appears to be the owner of all or most of ProPay.
WFC is a primary clearing-agent of the charges that are
run through PayPal. (Think of PayPal as a "freind" who is
renting you their merchant account; that account was
issued to PayPal by WFC.)
PayPal has negotiiated, via EBAY, the designation of ProPay
as "an optional" payment method on EBAY. Ebay is being
paid a substantial fee - perhaps in the form of a discount
from WFC on processing charges, perhaps via a share of
the annual ProPay member-fee, perhaps both.
The fact that the PayPal/ProPay "alliance" has rendered
PayPal as the "cheapest option for use on EBAY" is now
going to be examined by the CA AG and likley by the DOJ.
It is possible that numerous violations exist within the
scheme.
EBAY, left unchecked, plans to sell the rights to additional
EPS services. This will increase the number of payment
options, while assuring that PayPal always remains "the cheapest" option.
............
Steve
Not what I meant, after being told this guy cracks for raw sets I just mentioned he may have cracked it
for the raw set THEN decided it did not fit into his set.
Make sure the slab is not frosted.
Steve
<< <i>If you refund the money the buyer has no say if you get your final value fees back.
Steve >>
Yes they do, Ebay has been known to suspend sellers for filing for their FVFs back when the payment was refunded without going through the mutual agreement process. If you go that way the buyer has to agree to end the transaction.
?
Steve
Take a deep breath and everything will be OK. We are not talking mega dollar cards. Take the Wilkens back (and the Robertson only if the seller wants to return the card), and move on. Either way you are risking a couple of neg over a relatively insiginificant transaction.
J
<< <i>No, the buyer can ignore the filing and you get your fees back that way.
?
Steve >>
If they ignore a mutual filing the seller gets nothing. If he files the other way and the buyer ignores it he can get his fees back and the feedback removed. If he complains though and proves payment was made the seller could be the one with the headache. All Ebay sees is the payment was made not refunded.
Steve
Credit Type
Reason for Credit
Full Credit
*
High bidder/buyer did not respond after you attempted to contact them (please allow at least seven days for them to respond).
*
High bidder/buyer "backed out" and didn't buy the item.
*
High bidder/buyer's check bounced or they placed a stop payment on it.
*
High bidder/buyer returned the item and you issued a refund.
*
High bidder/buyer could not buy the item due to family or financial emergency.
*
High bidder/buyer claimed the terms were unacceptable.
Steve
It says sellers should leave TRUTHFUL feedback about the transaction. If a seller cannot leave anything but positive and gets slapped if they use a positive as a neg how is that being truthful.
Under the current EBAY environment, it is foolish for a seller to
file a "mutual agreement" with any "buyer" who is not trusted
and well known to the seller. MANY such "buyers" are intentionally
failing to respond to such filings, for the purpose of assuring that
the seller does NOT receive a FVF-credit.
If a seller chooses to use the NPB process, he should file a "regular" NPB
and the "buyer" should receive the STRIKE.
Based on LOTS of reports, EBAY has been suspending sellers who "abuse" the
NPB process. (Buyers can refuse to pay over-and-over without consequences.)
The "metric" being used by EBAY to determine "abuse by sellers" is "open NPBs
at the time of account review." Sellers need to close NPBs as quickly as possible
to stay off the radar that an "account review" will engender. Staggered-filings
of existing NPBs may not be a good tactic. Batch- filings and PROMPT closings
seem to be "safer."
EBAY considers an NPB to be "an unsatisfactory buyer experience." Any ordinary
seller - not a "major" seller - with more than 2 or 3 open NPBs can easily become the
target of EBAY's selective wrath.
Additionally, open-NPBs are considered aggravating factors in unrelated "seller
misconduct." If "excessive" open-NPBs are found on the account of a seller being
"investigated" for some other alleged infraction, the outcome will not likely be
favorable to the seller.
...........
The PUSH Is On:
BIN with Immediate Payment Required is the future of EBAY. The compnay is
being flooded with NPBs, continues to LIE about it, but MUST put a stop to it.
IPR is the solution that EBAY has chosen.
How many times can one buyer put in claims to Paypal?
1957 Topps PSA
1961 Fleer SGC
<< <i>Just curious about the following,
How many times can one buyer put in claims to Paypal? >>
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There is "a list," and PP claims they refer to it.
ALL credit-card companies also maintain "a list."
PP is now a backdoor for criminals abusing the chargeback process.
A CB made through PP, is NOT recorded as a CB on the CROOKS'
credit card file. It is internal to PP ONLY. This keep the dirtbags'
CC company in the dark about the FACT that their cards are being
repeatedly used to defraud sellers.
PP may SOON be forced out of the CB business. If a dirtbag wants
to do a CB, he may soon find he will have to talk to HIS OWN CC
company................NOT to some punk-monkey or a robot at PP.
If a seller has a REAL merchant account, a scamster with a problem
finds himself dealing with SECURITY at his own CC company.
ProPay is just about as bad as PP, actually. My wife has a Propay account for her home-based business. When a buyer contacted his credit card company regarding delivery of an order he had placed (a slip was left but he claims he never got it from the post office), they actually froze ALL of the funds in our Propay account (at the time the balance was several hundred dollars more than the amount of his "claim"). We had to fax over proof of delivery and an e-mail from the buyer stating all was well, before they released the funds.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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(I suspect grote meant "if the buyer objects.")
IF the buyer checks "do not agree," no FVF is granted.
The most sophisticated EBAY gurus are advising clients
NEVER to use "mutaul agreement."
<< <i>The problem is on the drop down list there is no spot for Buyer was issued refund only "Other" THat selection would be like raising a flag to Ebay and saying here pick on me. Ebay is suspending sellers based on their UPI filing history. >>
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I agree, and expected the same to happen.
BUT, thus far, all of the reported suspensions that have been
detailed to me have involved "open disputes."
That is NOT to say that the bots/monkeys don't look at the
history, ONLY that in the suspension-notices the references
are always to "open claims/disputes."
//////..............................
The API guys have a new product that should - in some form -
be rolled out by early 2009.
The widget is "auction-auto-pay." When an auction ends, the
winner's linked payment account is hit immediately. The software
was developed to be used in Australia, IF the PP-ONLY scheme
had been approved.
An instant and automatic payment is the ONLY practical means
by which to remove EBAY from the NPB morass.
Currently, the absence of a "shopping cart" is the weakness in the
auto-pay/immediate-pay protocol. When that is solved, I suspect
sales to increase for most good sellers and, of course, NPBs will
be eliminated. (Absent a shopping cart, PayPal will have to modify
their seller-protection scheme to allow multiple-orders to be shipped
under a single cover.)
<< <i>You could have him brought up on mail fraud charges, especially since you have an impartial government agent as a witness. >>
You should definitely look into this. If he's tried it with you, he will try it with others. Take it to ebay and talk to your postmaster. Get him from both angles.
<< <i>UPDATE!!! I got the 2 "cards" in question that I sold to that buyer back today. I took someone's advice and opened them in front of a postal employee!! Inside were 4 of the COOLEST empty slab halves! While not quite worth the $320 the cards were worth, I had never seen an empty case before! (Sarcasm)....Paypal closed the case and decided in my favor....I do hope this ordeal is over!!! >>
WOW!!
Steve
<< <i>the guy has some items listed for sale...maybe time for payback with buying on a second ebay account and leaving appropriate feedback for him. >>
I think everyone should ask him a question about one of his items and somehow work in to the question something about returning it if it's not as described.
looks like a lot of things he sells are used for "trimming" things too LOL
Steve
I am very reluctant to sell any more cards on e-bay. If I need to sell I think I'll do it privately on the boards. Joe
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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<< <i>You could have him brought up on mail fraud charges, especially since you have an impartial government agent as a witness. >>
You should definitely look into this. If he's tried it with you, he will try it with others. Take it to ebay and talk to your postmaster. Get him from both angles. >>
I agree 150%, I can't believe that moron has the kuhanas to try something like that, he has made it onto my block bidder list. What an ahole.
Ripken, Brooks & Frank Robinson, Old Orioles, Sweet Spot Autos, older Redskins - Riggins, Sonny, Baugh etc and anything that catches my eye.
My ghetto sportscard webpage...All Scans - No Lists!!! Stinky Linky
<< <i>Joe..I may not be far behind you....While I am impressed with some of the prices some of my cards get, there are others that bidders definitely steal from me (The 1956 Mantle in a 6.5 for $790 comes to mind).........I am relatively new to the boads, but as I make friends and get to know people, I may leave Ebay behind and just sell exclusively on the boards.... >>
I know Ebay can be a hassle at times but don't write it off. You are reaching a world-wide audience for next to nothing. And as far as stealing goes I don't think it's fair to say that about your bidders. If you want more than you need to put a reserve on stuff like that. It closed at $790.00 because that's what the market decided it was worth.
Just my .02 cents
That is the reason they sided right?
Steve
Steve
Winning EBAY bidder: dwiedle
EBAY Buyer and Seller (Feedback 3961)
it now appears he should be in prison.
EBAY seller dwiedle has lots of FB, but it means nothing.
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ohmy
The guy literally tried to steal from you and now that you got your money back you're willing to let him pull this crap with other people. I'd be willing to bet if paypal sided with him you'd be on the phone with his local PD within seconds. I gotta be honest, I'm not getting a good vibe from you.