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Finest Wheat Cent Known (w/pics)
FishyOne
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Nice article here from About.com: Coins. Finest Wheat Known
Can anyone confirm this MS69 actually IS the finest known?
What do you think of the grade? Closer to a 68 or a 70?
Enjoy!
Can anyone confirm this MS69 actually IS the finest known?
What do you think of the grade? Closer to a 68 or a 70?
Enjoy!
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No reverse image though
never ceases to astound me as well ; opinions are like pie hole's - everyone's got one !
It'd be great if we were all robots and just said YES to anything and everything anybody ever said or did.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
John Maben
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<< <i>I think I read that the coin came out of an original roll, and not all that long ago. >>
And that roll also produced a bunch of MS68's.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Comments on CCF lean toward a 68 also.
IMO - closer to a 68 obverse, but it has such a hammered strike that the 69 seems fine.
Judging only by the picture, this coin really isn't full red....... too subdued with hints of olive and mustard brown. >>
With comments like these, I wonder why anyone would ever post one of their own coins on this forum.
<< <i>Judging only by the picture, this coin really isn't full red....... too subdued with hints of olive and mustard brown. >>
Are you looking at the same coin the rest of us are? That is mint fresh in color and is 100% red.
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<< <i>I think I read that the coin came out of an original roll, and not all that long ago. >>
And that roll also produced a bunch of MS68's.
Russ, NCNE >>
That kind of sounds like a urban legend, Grand Nagus.
the picture of the obverse in the very post in this thread, isn't even close to full red.
John Maben
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wow!
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 700
<< <i>So, once again, the general commentariat (those who pass judgement without actually being professional graders or having the coin in hand) knows better than the PCGS graders. It simply astounds me, knowing that everyone is better than the graders, why everyone keeps sending coins in to those very same graders for their expert opinion. Which is it??? It cannot be both ways. Cheers, RickO >>
probably because one of the key lessons to learn is not to trust
the tpgs because if you do you will get burned.
professional grader is an oxymoron. a professional opinion giver should
be the correct title.
it astounds me that people here still think grading a darn coin is some
magical skill.
as for the wheat 68-69, who cares. hands down the nicest i have
ever seen that old.
the amount of worship that goes on for these professionals and "awesome" dealers is laughable.
I agree with you CCU. It's tough to post your own coins here. It takes thick skin.
<< <i><< I think I read that the coin came out of an original roll, and not all that long ago. >>
And that roll also produced a bunch of MS68's.
Russ, NCNE >>
That kind of sounds like a urban legend, Grand Nagus >>
Nope, it's the real deal.
Russ, NCNE
that thing is absolutely hammered
It's also just plain fun to grade them ourselves versus what the TPG assign.
I've got so many PCGS slabbed wheaties people might think I'm crazy. And they might be right, but the day to day variability from all TPG can add to the excitement - as long it doesn't cost too much $$$.
so much detail in his beard
as on that 1919
umbrage with the TPG, we are just having
fun.Our opinion does not impact the coins grade
or the price. No one loses money with OHOs and
did I say ,we were just having a bit of fun?
OHO means "Our Humble Opinions"!
Folks around here get a touch grumpy ,when
their shorts ride up on a hot, muggy day.
Camelot
<< <i>Nice article here from About.com: Coins. Finest Wheat Known
Can anyone confirm this MS69 actually IS the finest known?
What do you think of the grade? Closer to a 68 or a 70?
Enjoy! >>
Let's put it this way: I knew what coin I'd be looking at before I even clicked the link. The grade is irrelevant. That coin is the finest wheat cent in existence.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
Great coin regardless. When I saw the title in the article I was already saying what criteria are they using for all those rolls and bags of unsearched BU cents still out there? Considering that 1 out of those top 15 1919 cents made a 69 grade (others were 68) why couldn't one out of the 200 MS68 1943 Steel cents be a MS69? Surely one of those must stand out from the rest? I'd almost expect it to be so. One of them must be flawless or nearly so. Or does it make a difference that the MS69 grade is no longer given out to wheat cents (ie lesson learned from the MS69 Indian cent that spotted and the PF70 1963 Lincoln cent that turned in the holder).
roadrunner
<< <i> Or does it make a difference that the MS69 grade is no longer given out to wheat cents (ie lesson learned from MS69 Indian cents that spot and PF70 1964 Lincoln cents that turn in the holder).
roadrunner >>
great post but it is this last bit i find most interesting.
a tpg will not grade a 69 wheat cent anymore because they are afraid
they might have to pay out in the end?
what good are they then for grading super high end copper if they
are already biased to begin with due to their not wanted to honor
their guarantee?
only in coins folks. only in coins.
<< <i>a tpg will not grade a 69 wheat cent anymore because they are afraid they might have to pay out in the end? >>
Excellent. Another numismatic Urban Legend.
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<< <i>a tpg will not grade a 69 wheat cent anymore because they are afraid they might have to pay out in the end? >>
Excellent. Another numismatic Urban Legend. >>
if a legend what events brought it about.. that folks would think that
a tpg would be leery to grade a coin 69-70 in fear of it turning?
modern zinc lincolns that are superb and perfect getting 68-69s
instead of what the bullion coins get of 69-70s?
roadrunner
<< <i>Well, it will have to remain an urban legend until they grade another MS69 pre-1959 Lincoln or Indian cent. Interesting that there can be 80 MS68FB 1939-d Mercs graded and even 14 of that date in MS69, but not a single MS69 steel cent out of 200 piece?. I find that very odd. And not a single MS69 silver Rosy dime. Not a single MS69 silver Washington quarter or Walker half. It's all very odd indeed. Urban legends indeed.
roadrunner >>
Don't forget, Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
roadrunner
<< <i>the car Kennedy was travelling in when he was shot was a Ford Lincoln
roadrunner >>
A Ford Lincoln? Is that sort of like a Chevrolet Cadillac?
roadrunner
Would that make this a $50,000 wheatie?
Question for the experts:
Aside from the smooth, mark-free surfaces and great color, is the strike exceptional for this date, or do many 1919s display this crisp detail?
I think a supurb 1909 VDB MPL was what ol' Vic had in mind.
Exactly! The 1919, although a beauty, is a mere two-dimentional copy with added beard hairs compared to the real deal from 1909.
<< <i>Somebody show us another pre-59 Lincoln that would merit a 69. Talk is cheap. >>
the pcgs registry set it a good place to start. after browsing that
a bit i can see lincolns that are just as amazing and pristine.
67-68 68-69... the differences are so minute you need a pie plate
picture to pick out the differences...
<< <i>With comments like these, I wonder why anyone would ever post one of their own coins on this forum. >>
The very reason I have never and will never post a picture of my coins. It would be fun to share but as to getting anything valuable from people's "objective" opinions as to a coin's grade, I already know if it is between AU 50 and MS 63 or between VF 20 and XF 45. I already know that someone will think it has a rub or questionable toning. If the 1919 cent had not been declared an MS 69 at the beginning I'm pretty sure that someone would have it as low as an MS 65. I see no upside in asking this forum's opinion on an MS 69 coin
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
The only coin I can compare that to is my 2006 SF MS70RD. Though seperated by many decades, the grade standards still apply. You can admire the portrait, but you grade the fields. Im sure the graders did pick out the minute 'spot' or nick...or perhaps an element of discoloration from perfect mint state...but DAMN it is one good solid coin.++
You wont find the best beard on a 1909 coin. You wil find it on both the 1915 and the 1916. The Matte Proofs show this up to the greatest degree, probably a function of the high pressure hydraulic press they were coined with, though the business strikes can look nearly as good. A lot of factors went into getting the high quality strike. The coining press must be set at a specific precise distance and the planchets must be made from quality metal that is annealed to the proper degree of hardness (softness). Its certainly possible some of these super strikes were done as the operator calibrated the press, maybe ran off some and then backed her off a little. Getting it to show up this detailed on a photo is partly the quality of the strike, and partly the quality of the photograph (and the angle of the light).
But one would have to be IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIInsane to ever crack this out of that sainted OGH plastic, with the 69 on it.
THIS MS 69 RED 1919 WILL BE ON EXHIBIT AT THE ANA ALONGSIDE AN MS 68 1919 MS68 RED AS WELL AS AN MS 67 RED 1919 LINCOLN CENT.I WILL ALSO BE THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN COIN GRADES FOR YOURSELF.
JOHN MABEN - YOUR COMMENT THAT THIS COIN IS NOT RED IS THE MOST A$$ANININE COMMENT THATEVER CAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH
I PURCHASED THREE SHOTGUN ROLLS OF 1919 LINCOLN CENTS.THERE WERE ABOUT 70 COINS IN TOTAL.I BELIEVE ABOUT 35 COINS GRADED MS 67 RED, 13 COINS GRADED MS 68 RED, ANDTHE REST GRADED MS 66 RED.THERE HAD NEVER BEFORE BEEN AN MS 68 RED LINCOLN CENT GRADED BY PCGS.I RESUBMITTED FOUR MS 68 RED COINS ALONGSIDE THIS COIN AND IT CAME BACK AS MS 69 RED.
MY FULL LINCOLN CENT COLLECTION AS WELL AS MY 1909 VDB MATTE PROOF LINCOLN GRADED PROOF 67 RED WILL BE ON EXHIBIT
STEWART BLAY
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JOHN MABEN - YOUR COMMENT THAT THIS COIN IS NOT RED IS THE MOST A$$ANININE COMMENT THATEVER CAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH
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If you read his subsequent comment, John was looking at the photo of the 1909 cent posted to the thread, not the 1919 69RD (emphasis mine):
maybe its my dell inspiron 1420, but what I see, the picture of the obverse in the very post in this thread, isn't even close to full red.
Sean Reynolds
(Edited to add the actual quote from John's post)
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor