Modern crap vs old crap

Bochiman · January 28, 2008 6:58AM

Which would you rather have (assuming the price is about the same):

(reverse is basically untoned and nice (no nicks, scratches, etc)

Or,

mach19 · January 28, 2008 7:09AM

I'll Take the ASE

JJM · January 28, 2008 7:12AM

old crap as long as its not copper

DJCoinz · January 28, 2008 7:13AM

ASE for sure.

Bochiman · January 28, 2008 7:22AM

Wow! 2 for the ASE, 1 for not knowing what day it is, and 0 for the classic coin

Where are all the "modern junk haters" today?

Gemineye · January 28, 2008 7:25AM

I'll take the SAE ...you can keep that old damaged coin yourself....

MadMarty · January 28, 2008 7:27AM

Please enter me in your giveaway for the ASE!!!

cladking · January 28, 2008 7:30AM

It's not a fair choice since the silver is so choice and the cent is a common date dog.

Bochiman · January 28, 2008 7:34AM

<< It's not a fair choice since the silver is so choice and the cent is a common date dog. >>

tightbudget · January 28, 2008 7:37AM

ASE in this case. But usually old crap if it's good crap.

OKbustchaser · January 28, 2008 7:40AM

Count me as the first (only?) person who would take the cent. Not because I dislike modern COINS; I don't. However, I do catagorically refuse to pay the premium over melt that it would take to buy this or any other bullion round.

ozzyfan269 · January 28, 2008 7:40AM

Neither! That ASE has hidden milk spots under that AT toning!

doh · January 28, 2008 7:40AM

Ugh, that silver is ANYTHING but choice. Looks gross to my eyes. I'd take the large cent any day of the week I think of it this way, if I show some non-collector the large cent I can share a story of how coins used to look and what one cent could buy back in the day. All I could say with the ASE is that silver tarnishes....and then show them how Tarn-X works

Bochiman · January 28, 2008 7:42AM

<< Neither! That ASE has hidden milk spots under that AT toning! >>

Actually, looking at the toning (and not having seen this coin in many many months as it just came out of the closet last night

), I don't think this one needs to worry about the milkspotting.
I've seen some that tone and have, basically, an untoned spot (or two or three) and I think those are potential milkspots. This one looks to be pretty good.

What I have noticed on the SAE is that, even though it wasn't in a holder, just left out raw and alone, nothing touching it except what it sat on (USMint's cardboard box that the mint sets come in so it wouldn't sit on the rough wood of the closet shelves), it still is toning concentrically. Kind of cool, to me, but I didn't expect that.

cladking · January 28, 2008 7:42AM

<< Count me as the first (only?) person who would take the cent. Not because I dislike modern COINS; I don't. However, I do catagorically refuse to pay the premium over melt that it would take to buy this or any other bullion round. >>

You can pick up eagles like this for about a 10% premium.

fuzzball · January 28, 2008 7:46AM

It is an easy choice for me, I'd take the old cent.

Why? Because I have plenty of American Eagles, including one that toned when I carried it around for a while. However I do not have old cents like that. Sure, it is all beat up, but just think of the tales it could tell...

-Fuzz

OKbustchaser · January 28, 2008 7:46AM

<< 

<< Count me as the first (only?) person who would take the cent. Not because I dislike modern COINS; I don't. However, I do catagorically refuse to pay the premium over melt that it would take to buy this or any other bullion round. >>

You can pick up eagles like this for about a 10% premium. >>

Which to me--as a non-invester in precious metals--is about 10% more than a bullion round is worth. By the way, I don't buy classic silver coins which are priced simply for their melt value either.

cladking · January 28, 2008 7:46AM

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<< It's not a fair choice since the silver is so choice and the cent is a common date dog. >>

>>

I believe your point is valid.

There are lots of moderns that are more attractive and more collectible than a lot of older coins.

If you had used a really crummy BU 1983-P quarter and an attractive AU '28-S dime the vote would, no doubt, heavily favor the older coin. Even I'd be tempted by the dime.

GritsMan · January 28, 2008 7:47AM

The penny. I'd keep it in my pocket to show kids.

vplite · January 28, 2008 7:47AM

The bullion, but I think it's ugly.

cladking · January 28, 2008 7:50AM

<< The penny. I'd keep it in my pocket to show kids. >>

I've found kids tend to be more interested in coins they know in nice condition
or in extremely heavily worn old coins. Most aren't impressed by old unc coins
because they have no referant. For all they know that's what they all look like,
but worn coins look "old", and unc 1965 quarters just aren't seen.

doh · January 28, 2008 7:51AM

<< There are lots of moderns that are more attractive and more collectible than a lot of older coins. >>

Said by a person who collects moderns. I disagree with that statement because I do not collect moderns. There is not one modern of any value that I would keep in my collection instead of that 1843 Large Cent. Not one. Sure there are moderns worth a lot more and if I were given one I would sell it in a heartbeat to buy what I like.

57loaded · January 28, 2008 7:59AM

the price was the same....i'd take the ASE, although I think it is spotted fugly, the sent is just plain fugly (and scratched).

what such hard choices Bochiman???

coinsarefun · January 28, 2008 8:23AM

Ron,
I would just like to say that this would be a no brainer.
Killer ASE by the way

BTW, this is an older photo, there are much more intense

DorkGirl · January 28, 2008 8:38AM

The pic isn't showing up of the bullion for me, but that's what I want.

ASE!!

fcloud · January 28, 2008 8:39AM

ASE! Even a dog is still worth its weight in Silver!

Griv · January 28, 2008 8:45AM

ASE, what a no-brainer except for those no-brainers.

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 7:19AM

Coinsrfun (Stefanie),

Your coin-imaging has really come far! Awesome job!

OPA · January 30, 2008 7:22AM

<< Please enter me in your giveaway for the ASE!!!

>>

Me to

BECOKA · January 30, 2008 7:25AM

I actually like the look of the old beat up cent. It is probably worth less so I would take the Eagle just for it's bullion value.

TomB · January 30, 2008 7:27AM

The ASE.

gecko109 · January 30, 2008 7:46AM

<< 

<< 

<< It's not a fair choice since the silver is so choice and the cent is a common date dog. >>

>>

I believe your point is valid.

There are lots of moderns that are more attractive and more collectible than a lot of older coins.

If you had used a really crummy BU 1983-P quarter and an attractive AU '28-S dime the vote would, no doubt, heavily favor the older coin. Even I'd be tempted by the dime.

>>

I tend to think that the comparrison is fair only because each piece would cost roughly the same at any show or shop. Having said that, as a die hard classic collector, give me the ASE. The condition of that large cent would preclude it from fitting in with my other classics.

23Pairer · January 30, 2008 7:56AM

<< Count me as the first (only?) person who would take the cent. Not because I dislike modern COINS; I don't. However, I do catagorically refuse to pay the premium over melt that it would take to buy this or any other bullion round. >>

A person after my own heart...perfect sentiment regarding modern stuff.

dbldie55 · January 30, 2008 7:56AM

Tough choice as I cannot see wanting either, however in nearly every case I would take a large cent over a 1 ounce silver bullion coin.

coinsarefun · January 30, 2008 8:03AM

<< Coinsrfun (Stefanie),

Your coin-imaging has really come far! Awesome job! >>

Thanks Ron. I am still using my point and shoot camera and holding it freehand. I haven't gotten a copy stand yet. I guess I should, the pictures will be much clearer.

Fairlaneman · January 30, 2008 8:09AM

Liner collectors (1916 thru1964) are greedy. I]ll take both.

Thanks.
Ken

hockeyfan9 · January 30, 2008 8:19AM

Please enter me in your give away for the old cent. I like it better because of the history. You never know who held that coin!

PS. Please bring back your Rerun icon. It was my favorite on the board and made me like you more. I know my approval is extremely important to everyone so bring it back!

gecko109 · January 30, 2008 8:21AM

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<< Coinsrfun (Stefanie),

Your coin-imaging has really come far! Awesome job! >>

Thanks Ron. I am still using my point and shoot camera and holding it freehand. I haven't gotten a copy stand yet. I guess I should, the pictures will be much clearer.

>>

Steph, try a $20 tabletop mini tripod from bestbuy. It made my point and click images at least 20% better, no more blurriness!!! Copystands can go for $150 and more.

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 8:22AM

<< Liner collectors (1916 thru1964) are greedy. I]ll take both.

Thanks.
Ken >>

There's one in every crowd, huh Ken?

Bullion value of ~$18 for the SAE I think it is and the large cent, I overpaid for, was $20.

gecko109 · January 30, 2008 8:30AM

Bochi....you want a REALLY fair contest? How about posting a 1995-W silver eagle in PCGS 68, and a common date proof Barber half in 66. Then ask your same question.

coinsarefun · January 30, 2008 8:31AM

<< 

<< 

<< Coinsrfun (Stefanie),

Your coin-imaging has really come far! Awesome job! >>

Thanks Ron. I am still using my point and shoot camera and holding it freehand. I haven't gotten a copy stand yet. I guess I should, the pictures will be much clearer.

>>

Steph, try a $20 tabletop mini tripod from bestbuy. It made my point and click images at least 20% better, no more blurriness!!! Copystands can go for $150 and more. >>

Hey thanks gecko.
For some reason I never thought about that.

I'm goin to pick one up tonight.
I always put the copy stand off mainly because of the space requirements. Plus the $150 would be a nice toner

coinsarefun · January 30, 2008 8:33AM

<< Please enter me in your give away for the old cent. I like it better because of the history. You never know who held that coin!

PS. Please bring back your Rerun icon. It was my favorite on the board and made me like you more. I know my approval is extremely important to everyone so bring it back!

>>

I must admit the Rerun icon was around the time I came to this board and I did like it also

gecko109 · January 30, 2008 8:35AM

No problem Steph. You will have to come up with some way to raise/lower the coins as the tripod will leave your camera in a fixed position though. I just use a stack of poker chips. Its easy to raise/lower the object by removing or adding a chip at a time. But to save myself that $150, you bet i'll stack them chips! Dont forget to start a before/after thread on the results of your new images.

Phil

DieClash · January 30, 2008 1:52PM

Bochiman, you seem to change avatars around here like Heinz has varieties!

Anyway, I don't like the toned ASE. Not natural IMHO. And I don't like the large cent. Some butt-ugly "cleaning" scratches and remnants. But to answer the OP, I'd rather have the large cent.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 30, 2008 1:54PM

ASE

Gemini · January 30, 2008 2:17PM

Yes the AE is pretty but the old cent does pique my curiosity and wonder just a tad more...

May 22 - 1843...The first major wagon train headed for the northwest sets out with one thousand pioneers from Elm Grove, Missouri on the Oregon Trail.

You can see where I am going with this...

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 2:22PM

<< Bochi....you want a REALLY fair contest? How about posting a 1995-W silver eagle in PCGS 68, and a common date proof Barber half in 66. Then ask your same question.

>>

Nah....I don't like barbers but I also don't believe in the price on the '95-W SAE either....
I purposely didn't do a "fair contest" just because I wanted to point out that it isn't as simple as "classic vs modern".....everything has conditions to it.

Besides, with all the arguments and harsh words being thrown around, I just grabbed two "recent" coin pics I had available and started a US COIN thread in the forum.....really hope people didn't mind

percyb · January 30, 2008 2:25PM

I'll take the outstretched hand of liberty any day!

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 2:29PM

BTW.....for the 2 coins pictured, in MY mind, there is no "right answer". At different points, I will take one over the other. They both, to me, are cool.

The SAE is cool because it shows what happens to .999 silver set sitting in the air we breath for extended periods of time (coin sits in my home office, in the closet, on a shelf about 6ft up or so (I am 5'10")). And, I like the toning progression.

The large cent is ugly, but cool, because it IS something that can be held (low grade/low cost) and shows how we, as a nation, have changed our monies over a period of time....the look, the size, the composition. It is a coin I will allow my son to take to school for show and tell. For some people, they like to wonder who might have held the same coin (I actually don't get lost in those fantasies but I do understand them). So, it is a cool (even though ugly) coin as well.

Again, my point at this is everyone has a different reason for the coins they like/collect and there really (IMHO) shouldn't be any attacks on classics or moderns....just enjoy what one likes for whatever reasons.

Stefanie.....check the tripods when you get one. I got one from Staples (about $8) but the camera, which isn't big, tips it over when I point the camera downward....not when I point it straight out. Obviously, for coins, you point the camera down a lot

I was at FRYS electronics last weekend (looking at 40" LCD Samsung TVs

) and saw some larger, but still small, tripods that I think would work.

I didn't bother getting one because I did buy a copystand (well, it was a christmas present from the wife unit) but I think some of them may work. The larger tripods I have don't work (tried them as well). You only want the coin about 6-18" away I think

RegistryCoin · January 30, 2008 2:51PM

Well, this is pretty easy. It's the jaw-dropping modern painted lady vs. the old worn... Oh, wait, my wife says I'm picking the large cent.

Bochiman · January 30, 2008 2:53PM

<< Well, this is pretty easy. It's the jaw-dropping modern painted lady vs. the old worn... Oh, wait, my wife says I'm picking the large cent.

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