What Did NGC Grade This 1807 Capped Bust Half NGC Grade Posted In Thread

stman · April 25, 2006 9:03AM

What you think NGC graded this 1807 CBH Large stars 0-114? There is a fair amount of luster present. I got this one a while back.

And for those that are disappointed and wanted to see the "stman scan" since I needed to have a copy of the slab for my files.
Here ya go, sorry just the obverse. Basically what it looks like straight on. I just put it flat on the scanner glass.

Russ · April 25, 2006 9:05AM

MS63.

Russ, NCNE

DNADave · April 25, 2006 9:05AM

45

stman · April 25, 2006 9:11AM

<< MS63.

Russ, NCNE >>

Man, first one out and he nails it.

LanLord · April 25, 2006 9:12AM

That's a nice looking 07. I imagine there is a lot of surface flattness that is standard for the early busts, but it looks as though there may be some wear at that same level as well.

I'd give it a 45 or a 50.

I really like 07, 08/07 and 08 for the bust series.

OKbustchaser · April 25, 2006 9:15AM

Hopefully, they gave you the AU grade it looks to deserve. I suspect, however, that they thumped you over the weak center of the obverse and gave it a grade in the VF 30 to XF 40 range.

mgoodm3 · April 25, 2006 9:15AM

I'll give it props for clean fields, but the color changes on the relief makes me think 50. I'd have to take a huge pic of it to really get a good look at it.

tsacch · April 25, 2006 9:16AM

my first guess was 45 to 50.

63??? no freaking way.

291fifth · April 25, 2006 9:16AM

XF45.

kryptonitecomics · April 25, 2006 9:17AM

AU55...no doubt in my mind

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · April 25, 2006 9:17AM

MS 63 my A$$. You must be talking The Stevie Wonder Grading Service. XF 45 - AU50

Stewart

FatMan · April 25, 2006 9:19AM

My uninformed opinion is AU50

beartracks42 · April 25, 2006 9:24AM

I think it is AU. I can't decide which one...perhaps a 53?

ElmerFusterpuck · April 25, 2006 9:27AM

Looks like a 45 to me...

JRocco · April 25, 2006 9:30AM

Hey stman, I love that coin. That coin is a 50-53 coin for sure. Not much rub on her at all and a much better than usual strike for an 07, those stars are great, clasp looks good and the left wing ain't too bad either. I sure as heck hope they didn't 45 you on this one.
Nice coin.

RYK · April 25, 2006 9:31AM

40/45 here

robertpr · April 25, 2006 9:33AM

<< MS 63 my A$$. You must be talking The Stevie Wonder Grading Service. XF 45 - AU50

Stewart >>

I was thinking the same thing - MS63 my A$$. If they really did grade that thing 63, shame on them!

Coxe · April 25, 2006 9:34AM

AU50

fountainheadgold · April 25, 2006 9:37AM

45

slumlord98 · April 25, 2006 9:44AM

I'd grade it 40 from your image, because the luster appears to stop at the inner star points, but that wasn't the question. You and I have talked privately about NGC's grading, so you understand that trying to outguess NGC makes me nervous. I'd guess they called it 50.

Cladiator · April 25, 2006 9:45AM

I say 55. No idea what the NGC monkeys said.

cmanbb · April 25, 2006 9:55AM

NGC overshot it..................................and called it AU53

morgannut2 · April 25, 2006 10:00AM

Anywhere from AU50 to 58 depending on the luster I can not see in image. Nice example for 1807 BTW--

stman · April 25, 2006 12:29PM

The answer is........ grade doesn't matter on a coin such as this. Gotta wait for another member as he gets upset when results are posted too soon.

SamByrd · April 25, 2006 12:33PM

ngc grade is au50, I would guess in pcgs holder xf40 or so

MikeInFL · April 25, 2006 12:42PM

AU 53

Shamika · April 25, 2006 12:52PM

I'm not anti-NGC like many of the members here. But how on earth can NGC think that coin is MS63? I know the strike on these can be very weak. However, anyone can see the wear on Liberty's cheek.

Baley · April 25, 2006 1:04PM

I think I see 5 points of wear and 2 points of original dirt, so I'll guess AU53. Can't see it lower than 50 or higher than 58.

Nice coin, truly wonderful scan

stman · April 25, 2006 1:06PM

<< I'm not anti-NGC like many of the members here. But how on earth can NGC think that coin is MS63? I know the strike on these can be very weak. However, anyone can see the wear on Liberty's cheek. >>

I guess I should have put a

in that previous post, sorry. Actually, this one has a nice strike, especially for an 07.

Barndog · April 25, 2006 1:33PM

NGC gave this 53 a 58

pursuitofliberty · April 25, 2006 1:35PM

I'd say it's a nice EF48

(or Choice EF/AU from the old days) ... NGC probably graded it higher ... 53 or 55

mozin · April 25, 2006 2:10PM

NGC AU50

PCGS XF45

Myqqy · April 25, 2006 2:35PM

45- So what's the answer?

DMWJR · April 25, 2006 2:35PM

Mozin has correctly assessed the grade of the coin, considered the querks of each grading service, and assigned a grade for each ...

and I agree!

coinlieutenant · April 25, 2006 2:36PM

NGC 53...PCGS 53.

J

Hoot · April 25, 2006 3:58PM

AU58. Nice, original looking surfaces.

Hoot

stman · April 25, 2006 4:26PM

Thanks for the opinions folks. And I must say they are exactly as I had expected. As many of us have mentioned in the past, this first subtype of the series 07-08 can be very tough to grade. Gotta go with luster. With this wear pattern it could be anywhere from XF through AU IMO. Luster does indeed entice the fields, but not heavy.

And since I'm not one to give my coins extra points for ownership...... I feel it's a strong XF but grade is not important to me.
I just thought this could be interesting, and perhaps helpful to some. Good luck trying to find one
like this for anywhere near XF money though. Had this been in an AU holder I probably couldn't have purchased it. This is a much tougher coin than the O-112 50/inverted 5 variety. If I were to sell this to a knowledgeable
collector of the series someday, I'd probably crack it out and say I grade it X amount of dollars, grade it what ya want.

OK, I'll shut up and since we all know NGC over grades every single coin by all the blanket statements we see in this thread and all the time on this board........

mozin · April 25, 2006 4:41PM

The coin shown in the NGC holder looks to be much darker than shown by the pictures provided at the start of the thread. Perhaps NGC deducted points for being such dark toning.

stman · April 25, 2006 4:46PM

<< The coin shown in the NGC holder looks to be much darker than shown by the pictures provided at the start of the thread. Perhaps NGC deducted points for being such dark toning. >>

Sorry, wrong. If you had read what I wrote at the beginning, I scanned it and put it flat on the scanner. Is it impossible for you to accept that
NGC does get it right sometimes?

There is nothing too dark about the coin, and there is no reason whatsoever they netted it down.

kryptonitecomics · April 26, 2006 12:18AM

I don't agree with the grade (undergraded) for what it's worth but......who cares what I think

slumlord98 · April 26, 2006 12:42AM

NGC and I agreed? I'm very afraid to get on that plane Friday.

Is this a new one? Not the coin from a thread a month or so ago? Anyway, you got hosed by NGC.

stman · April 26, 2006 2:56AM

<< Is this a new one? Not the coin from a thread a month or so ago? Anyway, you got hosed by NGC. >>

This is not the coin from a month or so ago. I did not submit this coin, so how did I get hosed?

Baley · April 26, 2006 3:23AM

I was about to say, "no, the submitter got hosed", stman got a good deal

slumlord98 · April 26, 2006 3:33AM

A mind is a terrible thing. I thought you had submitted the coin.

mozin · April 26, 2006 3:42AM

stman,

Time for a cross to PCGS?

stman · April 26, 2006 3:47AM

<< stman,

Time for a cross to PCGS? >>

If I did that wouldn't PCGS grade it lower? Since it must be over graded by NGC?

BigD5 · April 26, 2006 4:18AM

If NGC only graded that coin a 40, PCGS will HAVE to grade the coin vf/30, no?

I love those grade predictions that automatically have PCGS grading a coin at least 5 points lower.

Love this place.

Nice coin by the way and I assume the luster is shot and that's why it only graded 40? Looks better, detail wise anyways, for the date.

FatMan · April 26, 2006 4:34AM

Yeah, my bet is if you send it to NCS for a nice dip in the pool...NGC will find some nice AU clothes for it.

JRocco · April 26, 2006 6:24AM

All I have to say at this point is I wish I could find an 07 just like that in a 40 holder-- NGC, PCGS or Joe's slabbing Co Inc.

stman · April 26, 2006 6:55AM

<< All I have to say at this point is I wish I could find an 07 just like that in a 40 holder >>

Yes, but as you are aware I highly doubt it would sell for anywhere near 40 price. These go for multiples of sheet price. So no, I didn't "rip" it.

As I mentioned earlier though.... had this been in an AU holder I wouldn't have been able to purchase it. Not an O-114 anyway.

CoinAddict · April 26, 2006 1:44PM

Very nice, Steve.

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