1918 Lincoln Commemorative - NT or AT?

Blackhawk · October 21, 2005 7:03AM

TomB · October 21, 2005 7:07AM

AT. This appears to be a gas diffusion toning method that was state of the art in the late '70s to early '80s.

TomB · October 21, 2005 7:08AM

I'd like to qualify my response with one caveat and that is the image appears very dark on my monitor, so it really depends on how true to life the colors are.

lordmarcovan · October 21, 2005 7:20AM

If it's AT, it would fool me.

But that ain't hard to do sometimes.

coinfreak499 · October 21, 2005 7:35AM

NT all the way

FatMan · October 21, 2005 7:38AM

My instict tells me AT. The image is too dark to be specific. But I have never seen a Lincoln (Illinois) with this kind of coloring.

Blackhawk · October 21, 2005 7:41AM

My obverse photo leaves something to be desired, but the reverse is pretty true to life. The obverse is a bit darker than the photo and the colors at the rims are somewhat subdued unlessd the lighting is right or the coin is moved side to side.

Myqqy · October 21, 2005 8:24AM

It looks suspicious to me- but I think it's a pretty good AT job, if in fact it is artificial.....

coinguy1 · October 21, 2005 8:29AM

My opinion is that the coin is AT if the images are true to life.

ksteelheader · October 21, 2005 8:34AM

<< My opinion is that the coin is AT if the images are true to life. >>

I'm with Mark on this one!

flaminio · October 21, 2005 8:50AM

I'll vote AT, yet market acceptable.

dizzyfoxx · October 21, 2005 8:59AM

That's a tough call but an attractive coin. I think it needs to be inspected in-hand. I'll side with either PCGS or NGC, and if either one of them slab it... I'll take it if it's

PM me if you have it slabbed and are interested in selling it.

Edited to add: It actually already looks slabbed, is it?

.

segoja · October 21, 2005 9:04AM

NT

rjsriv · October 21, 2005 9:08AM

I wonder where it was stored to get that kind of color

Sure is Nice

uofa1285 · October 21, 2005 9:15AM

AT but the cardboard flaking effect is believable.

Doug

Blackhawk · October 21, 2005 9:33AM

It's in an PCI older green holder graded as MS66.

sTONER · October 21, 2005 9:35AM

TomB · October 21, 2005 9:38AM

I stand by AT all the way without a doubt.

commeman · October 21, 2005 10:39AM

I agree with Tom. If it was real it would be in a NGC or PCGS holder.

rainbowroosie · October 21, 2005 10:50AM

See TomB original comment -- ditto.

Blackhawk · October 21, 2005 11:10AM

<< I agree with Tom. If it was real it would be in a NGC or PCGS holder. >>

I don't think that the holder has much to do with it...there are a lot of coins that were and are holdered by "non-acceptable" TPGs and held without much more thought to it by collectors. The same goes for raw coins - good ones surface every day in estate holdings brought into coin shops or sold at auctions or estate sales.

jom · October 21, 2005 1:14PM

<< I don't think that the holder has much to do with it... >>

You are absolutly correct...I see AT'd coins in the main TPG's holders EVERY time I go to a show. TomB is right on also. That is about as AT as they come.

mozin · October 21, 2005 1:48PM

<< It's in an PCI older green holder graded as MS66.

>>

AT all the way.

BlindedByEgo · October 21, 2005 3:31PM

Pretty coin, though

Crack it out and dip it, see what lies beneath

TorinoCobra71 · October 21, 2005 7:03PM

<< I'll vote AT, yet market acceptable. >>

What FLAMINIO said..................

TorinoCobra71

jcping · October 21, 2005 8:36PM

AT

BillJones · October 21, 2005 9:00PM

I don't like it. I would not buy it.

I've never seen a natually toned coin look like that, The blue is too uniform and the golden spot between "H" and "U" on the reverse pretty much seals it for me. My vote is AT.

mommam17 · October 22, 2005 12:33AM

I agree with Bill Jones but IF it is real it`s a heck of a coin. Also seems like I`ve seen that coin before somewhere.

dizzyfoxx · October 22, 2005 1:33AM

<< Pretty coin, though

Crack it out and dip it, see what lies beneath

>>

...Under no circumstances should a coin be dipped!!!

Clankeye · October 22, 2005 1:47AM

I believe it is AT.

I have never seen an Illinois toned like that. I have however, seen a number of Carvers toned like that, and IMO... somebody made them.

TomB · October 22, 2005 2:09AM

You are absolutely right, Clankeye! The WC issue is famous for having been the model of AT for this method and those coins still pop up occassionally.

Look, I'm not ripping this coin for the heck of it, nor am I ripping it because it's in a PCI holder. I'm ripping it because this is a well known AT pattern that, frankly, is only market accpetable if you are selling to people who don't know what to look for. That limits the market quite a bit and doesn't change the fact that the coin was intentionally made to look like this.

There are three tipoffs on the obverse and they are the tight, odd green color that hugs the rim; the inner bath of violet and the crinkled appearance of the skin. These all go together in this AT method. The reverse is similar but also has, as Bill pointed out, that strange gold color that mingles with the violet and blue on these coins. This is the prototype look for this AT method and folks should learn to recognize this before they throw their money away on the next example that is offered.

Craton · October 22, 2005 4:58AM

I like it.

1918 Lincoln Commemorative - NT or AT?

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