I'd like to qualify my response with one caveat and that is the image appears very dark on my monitor, so it really depends on how true to life the colors are.
My obverse photo leaves something to be desired, but the reverse is pretty true to life. The obverse is a bit darker than the photo and the colors at the rims are somewhat subdued unlessd the lighting is right or the coin is moved side to side.
That's a tough call but an attractive coin. I think it needs to be inspected in-hand. I'll side with either PCGS or NGC, and if either one of them slab it... I'll take it if it's
PM me if you have it slabbed and are interested in selling it.
Edited to add: It actually already looks slabbed, is it?
<< <i>I agree with Tom. If it was real it would be in a NGC or PCGS holder. >>
I don't think that the holder has much to do with it...there are a lot of coins that were and are holdered by "non-acceptable" TPGs and held without much more thought to it by collectors. The same goes for raw coins - good ones surface every day in estate holdings brought into coin shops or sold at auctions or estate sales.
<< <i>I don't think that the holder has much to do with it... >>
You are absolutly correct...I see AT'd coins in the main TPG's holders EVERY time I go to a show. TomB is right on also. That is about as AT as they come.
I've never seen a natually toned coin look like that, The blue is too uniform and the golden spot between "H" and "U" on the reverse pretty much seals it for me. My vote is AT.
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You are absolutely right, Clankeye! The WC issue is famous for having been the model of AT for this method and those coins still pop up occassionally.
Look, I'm not ripping this coin for the heck of it, nor am I ripping it because it's in a PCI holder. I'm ripping it because this is a well known AT pattern that, frankly, is only market accpetable if you are selling to people who don't know what to look for. That limits the market quite a bit and doesn't change the fact that the coin was intentionally made to look like this.
There are three tipoffs on the obverse and they are the tight, odd green color that hugs the rim; the inner bath of violet and the crinkled appearance of the skin. These all go together in this AT method. The reverse is similar but also has, as Bill pointed out, that strange gold color that mingles with the violet and blue on these coins. This is the prototype look for this AT method and folks should learn to recognize this before they throw their money away on the next example that is offered.
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<< <i>My opinion is that the coin is AT if the images are true to life. >>
I'm with Mark on this one!
PM me if you have it slabbed and are interested in selling it.
Edited to add: It actually already looks slabbed, is it?
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<< <i>I agree with Tom. If it was real it would be in a NGC or PCGS holder. >>
I don't think that the holder has much to do with it...there are a lot of coins that were and are holdered by "non-acceptable" TPGs and held without much more thought to it by collectors. The same goes for raw coins - good ones surface every day in estate holdings brought into coin shops or sold at auctions or estate sales.
<< <i>I don't think that the holder has much to do with it... >>
You are absolutly correct...I see AT'd coins in the main TPG's holders EVERY time I go to a show. TomB is right on also. That is about as AT as they come.
<< <i>It's in an PCI older green holder graded as MS66.
AT all the way.
Crack it out and dip it, see what lies beneath
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<< <i>I'll vote AT, yet market acceptable. >>
What FLAMINIO said..................
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I've never seen a natually toned coin look like that, The blue is too uniform and the golden spot between "H" and "U" on the reverse pretty much seals it for me. My vote is AT.
<< <i>Pretty coin, though
Crack it out and dip it, see what lies beneath
I have never seen an Illinois toned like that. I have however, seen a number of Carvers toned like that, and IMO... somebody made them.
Look, I'm not ripping this coin for the heck of it, nor am I ripping it because it's in a PCI holder. I'm ripping it because this is a well known AT pattern that, frankly, is only market accpetable if you are selling to people who don't know what to look for. That limits the market quite a bit and doesn't change the fact that the coin was intentionally made to look like this.
There are three tipoffs on the obverse and they are the tight, odd green color that hugs the rim; the inner bath of violet and the crinkled appearance of the skin. These all go together in this AT method. The reverse is similar but also has, as Bill pointed out, that strange gold color that mingles with the violet and blue on these coins. This is the prototype look for this AT method and folks should learn to recognize this before they throw their money away on the next example that is offered.
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