POLL: Which of these two coins graded deep cameo?

Russ · June 12, 2005 8:32AM

Coin #1:

Coin #2:

These two were graded at least three years apart.

Russ, NCNE

dpoole · June 12, 2005 8:36AM

Clearly coin #2.

Duh.

ksteelheader · June 12, 2005 8:37AM

I'll go with #1.

LucyBop · June 12, 2005 8:39AM

neither.

JRocco · June 12, 2005 8:39AM

I sure do hope your going to say coin #1 ---- This is why my 56 Frankie is staying plastic free for a while longer.

ER · June 12, 2005 8:39AM

Neither.

LanLord · June 12, 2005 8:40AM

Don't know, send me the one that didn't

Russ · June 12, 2005 8:41AM

<< neither. >>

<< One of these coins is graded DCAM, the other Cameo. >>

Russ, NCNE

LucyBop · June 12, 2005 8:43AM

<< 

<< neither. >>

<< One of these coins is graded DCAM, the other Cameo. >>

Russ, NCNE >>

coin #3.

FatMan · June 12, 2005 8:48AM

How juiced is each image?

Russ · June 12, 2005 8:50AM

Juiced equally. The first one really does blow away the second one.

Russ, NCNE

Royme · June 12, 2005 8:54AM

Im thinkin they are both the same coin.

FatMan · June 12, 2005 8:57AM

<< Juiced equally. The first one really does blow away the second one.

Russ, NCNE >>

Then I'll vote #1 which is obviously wrong.

LucyBop · June 12, 2005 9:03AM

This poll is rigged.

Lucy, NCNE

ER · June 12, 2005 9:12AM

<< This poll is rigged.

Lucy, NCNE >>

Indeed.

2bits · June 12, 2005 9:19AM

I voted for #1,, In the pics its clearly more frosted than 2 !!

Rick

CarlWohlforth · June 12, 2005 9:20AM

The first coin looks DCAM. If both photos were taken under the same conditions I would (and did) vote #1. If it is the same coin, if neither or both are DCAM the poll is flawed...

totofroto · June 12, 2005 9:22AM

#2 because it is a trick question.Read between the lines!

Russ · June 12, 2005 9:23AM

<< If it is the same coin, if neither or both are DCAM the poll is flawed... >>

It is not the same coin, and one is graded DCAM. As I noted, they were graded at least three years apart.

Russ, NCNE

rip · June 12, 2005 9:26AM

hmm...three years apart, #2 DCAM three years ago?
Edit: 4 years ago?

TorinoCobra71 · June 12, 2005 9:26AM

Coin #1

TorinoCobra71

matteproof · June 12, 2005 9:29AM

I have got to go with coin #1. Looks fantastic in the photo.

matteproof

bgrice · June 12, 2005 9:40AM

I'll guess #2 was graded DCAM 3 years ago and #1 got CAMed recently.

CarlWohlforth · June 12, 2005 9:40AM

Has your camera or photographing technique changed in the past few years? If no, and if #2 is DCAM while #1 isn't, I'd say Hall's attempt to prove standards are the same is flawed.

Russ · June 12, 2005 9:49AM

Both were imaged recently. The first three months ago, the second yesterday. Same lampshade, same lighting. There really is no attempt to make one look better than the other.

Russ, NCNE

robertpr · June 12, 2005 10:04AM

Who cares, it's Modern Crap™

TommyType · June 12, 2005 10:24AM

<< 

<< If it is the same coin, if neither or both are DCAM the poll is flawed... >>

It is not the same coin, and one is graded DCAM. As I noted, they were graded at least three years apart.

Russ, NCNE >>

Does it bother you that nobody trusts you?

I voted the obvious. If either of them is DCAM, it's #1. But I have a feeling there's more to the story........

DennisH · June 12, 2005 10:24AM

#2

CarlWohlforth · June 12, 2005 10:46AM

I'm quoted, then there is the question of trust. Well I do trust Russ. I have no doubt every word he posted in this thread is true...

Royme · June 12, 2005 10:46AM

OMG!..I just realized I got Ben Franklins Hair.

MrEureka · June 12, 2005 11:01AM

When did PCGS start designating DCAM?

CarlWohlforth · June 12, 2005 11:22AM

<When did PCGS start designating DCAM??>

Frankies were one of the first. And it was before Y2K. I think I recall green label DCAM Frankies so that would put it before 1996. Anyway it isn't an issue here.

AlaBill · June 12, 2005 11:26AM

I'm voting for number 1, but I also glad I not chasing this designation.

wildjag · June 12, 2005 11:35AM

<< I'll guess #2 was graded DCAM 3 years ago and #1 got CAMed recently. >>

100proof1957 · June 12, 2005 11:53AM

Both are type 2 ?

nankraut · June 12, 2005 12:11PM

If the photos aren't doctored too much---both should be DCAM.

DHeath · June 12, 2005 12:18PM

Coin #2 is the dcam, but a weak one. Coin one has several frost breaks, particularly at the top left of the bell lumber. JMO

razorface1027 · June 12, 2005 12:19PM

I'll go with #2. By the photos #1 has it beat. However, I'd have to consider the 3 years span in grading, and, of course, Russ's trickery.

Tom

Russ · June 12, 2005 12:19PM

The second coin is the one designated DCAM. It's graded PR66DCAM, cert # 2875857. It's a seven digit blue label with the bar code on the back. That puts the grading period at four plus years ago, maybe a bit earlier. Just one of many, many coins I've seen and handled from that era that would not regrade the same if submitted today. I don't trust coins from this era unless I can buy them sight-seen in-hand.

The first coin was graded PR69CAM cert #21904640 in March of this year.

Russ, NCNE

dlimb2 · June 12, 2005 12:20PM

Its all in the lighting!

bgrice · June 12, 2005 12:26PM

<< 

The second coin was graded PR69CAM cert #21904640 in March of this year.

Russ, NCNE >>

You mean the first coin.... correct?

razorface1027 · June 12, 2005 12:33PM

The first coin was graded PR69CAM cert #21904640 in March of this year.

Cha Ching! Russ, did you retrieve this from one of the many proof sets you're notorious for acquiring? Just curious!

Tom

Russ · June 12, 2005 12:51PM

<< Cha Ching! Russ, did you retrieve this from one of the many proof sets you're notorious for acquiring? >>

It was one of three PCGS PR66CAMs that I picked off on Teletrade. Somebody had submitted them with crappy flips, so they hazed over and got graded low. I cracked them out, dipped them and resubmitted them. The others went 68CAM and 66CAM.

Russ, NCNE

DSH1963 · June 12, 2005 12:57PM

Nice grab what flips do you use Russ

Russ · June 12, 2005 1:17PM

<< what flips do you use Russ >>

ET Kointainer SAFLIPS™. Accept no substitutes.

Russ, NCNE

razorface1027 · June 12, 2005 1:19PM

ET Kointainer SAFLIPS™. Accept no substitutes

Russ;

Where could one obtain such flips? Thanks in advance.

Tom

Russ · June 12, 2005 1:22PM

I buy mine here:

http://www.brent-krueger.com/flips.html

Product #ETK-SF25-100.

Russ, NCNE

CarlWohlforth · June 12, 2005 11:30PM

It sure looks like it is harder to get a DCAM now, or was easier then.

I guess this is one case where dipping helped. It sure helped the value of that coin.

weresteve · June 13, 2005 12:05AM

<< It sure looks like it is harder to get a DCAM now, or was easier then. >>

Harder now ... found that out with a few PL & DMPL Morgans I submitted recently.

Steve

ChangeIsGood · June 13, 2005 12:21AM

I would dump them both on E-Bay. The bell on the reverse has a crack in it on both coins.

airedale · January 7, 2007 11:40AM

<< When did PCGS start designating DCAM? >>

I called them some months ago with this very question. The Customer Service Rep., after checking, told me he thought it was 1991 for Cameo and about a year later for Deep Cameo.

POLL: Which of these two coins graded deep cameo?

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