*** 1892-S PCGS MS-65 Top (Pop 1/0) $20 Gold Coronet (Liberty) Double Eagle -- Photos Posted ***

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Stuart
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I just received several gold coin grades from PCGS and am really excited to report that I have made a Top Pop (Population 1) 1892-S $20 Gold Liberty Coronet in PCGS MS-65!!! Per the PCGS Population Report only 38 exist in MS-64...

It's one of my old type coins purchased for $275 from Hugh Sconyers back in 1973 when he was with Worldwide Coins of Atlanta.

I don't think that I have any digital images of it yet, but I'll be sure to take some when I receive the coin back from PCGS.

I also made a 1932 $10 Indian in MS-63 and a 1901-S $10 Liberty in MS-64... That $20 Liberty is the most valuable coin in my collection!!

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Stuart

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"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
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  • Louis
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    Way to go Stuart. image
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  • kieferscoins
    kieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
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    AWESOME!

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  • FC57Coins
    FC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
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    Congratulations Stuart! image
  • RickMilauskas
    RickMilauskas Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭
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    Wow...congratulations...that's pretty insane. Wish I had bought some great coins back in '73.image
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  • foodude
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    Want to sell it? image
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  • FatMan
    FatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
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    Congrats. I look forward to your posting the pic upon its return home.
  • DorkGirl
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    image I can't wait to see pictures!!!
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  • MadMarty
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    Way to go Stuart!!image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • PhillyJoe
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    Excellent results. You knew it was a goodie all along; now THEY agree with you.

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  • kryptonitecomics
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    Great to hear about your success especially since it's a coin that you've owned for a long time.


    What do you think it's worth if you could even estimate a grade on a rare pop 1 like that????
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  • 100proof1957
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    I am not worthy !
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  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << What do you think it's worth if you could even estimate a grade on a rare pop 1 like that???? >>

    KryptoniteComics: I honestly don't know what its value is, because I am still stunned to discover that I made a Pop 1 $20 Liberty -- but to me it's priceless!!!

    The most recent Greysheet that I have for $20 Libs, dated September 2003, lists a price of $6800 for this coin in MS-64 with a population of ~38 coins. I would assume that this coin has got to be worth several to many multiples of the MS-64 price, and may be worth a whole lot more to those collectors assembling $20 Liberty Date Sets and Registry Sets.

    Perhaps one of the dealers on the forum may wish to educate us as to the potential value of it, but for now it's not for sale.

    I am pleased just to have an MS-65 $20 Gold Liberty Double Eagle because I think that they are a beautiful coin.

    Stuart

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  • kieferscoins
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    What do you think you would pay Laura?

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  • mgoodm3
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    Nice job.
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  • TWQG
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    One of my favorite coin reverses.
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  • 100proof1957
    100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
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    I do suppose that Stuart deserves a YOU SUCK !
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  • coinkat
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    what a terrific result... congrats

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  • ziggy29
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    That's worth another round for the house on a Friday night! image
  • JRocco
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    Congrats Stuart. You really have an eye for awesome coins. Way to goimage
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  • roadrunner
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    Well a good starting point to your coin's value would be to compare it to what the HNAI 1888-s in MS66 just sold for. Both are roughly equivalent as to pops in MS64 and 65. Half of that would seem like a reasonable starting point.

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  • ER
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    AWESOME!image

    Picture coming?
  • Numismanic
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    Congratulations Stuart! imageimage
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  • ms70
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    Well done! image
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  • jbsteven
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    Stuart

    here is your chance to make a nice profit and COMPLETE your Morgan dollar set if you wish. Get some quotes from dealers and do not be in a hurry to sell. With the proceeds buy yourself another $20 to replace it in a lower grade and dump the profits into other stuff for your sets.

    sounds like fun.
  • jbsteven
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    man.....

    I can see your point but I think I know Stuart well enough............

    we shall see
  • tradedollarnut
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    Well a good starting point to your coin's value would be to compare it to what the HNAI 1888-s in MS66 just sold for. Both are roughly equivalent as to pops in MS64 and 65. Half of that would seem like a reasonable starting point.

    I would say a bit less than half. Two reasons behind my comment:

    The MS66 is more of a wondercoin and thus has extra glamour and therefore demand [price] attached to it.

    The MS65 has 48 underpops. The MS65 may or may not last as pop 1. The MS66 has one underpop - its position on top seems relatively safe.
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  • Crazy4Coins
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    Wow! Congratulations Stuart.. Just curious did you already believe the coin would receive the 65 grade or was it unexpected?

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  • Clankeye
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    Congratulations, Stuart. A good score for a good guy.

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  • sliderider
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    Good show!! And btw:

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  • TonedCoinTrader
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    That's a SUPER YOU SUCK

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  • roadrunner
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    I mixed up the 1880-s NGC66 from the ANA sale. That brought $92,000. There are so many neat S mints in the 1880's it can get confusing. The 1880-s is super tough in MS64 so half of the MS66 price would certainly place a top on the 1892-s in MS65 of $46,000.
    Though like TDN said, probably a good bit less than this due to the wow factor of 66's. Maybe $40K as the top end.

    Low end may be just above what the MS64 1880-s is listed on CDN for $23,000. I think the real truth is in the $30-40K range. Once it becomes a pop 2 (and with 75 pieces betw NGC and PCGS to compete for it), and that's only a matter of time, it loses a touch of its allure. But just a tad. I punched the numbers to ratio the 64 price of the 92-s to a common date, and then used that same ratio to a 65 common date....comes up with around $23,500. That would likely be about the low-end price for a lower-end coin. Half-way between the $23K and $40/46K brackets is about $31K-$35K. To the dealers that play in the $20 Lib market, they could price this coin to within $2K.

    Congrats on making such a wise purchase back in 1973. I know my local dealer would have gouged me on a lower mintage date like a 92-s. If this is a just made it coin, you may want to consider getting some strong offers while fires are hot, and it remains pop 1. But enjoying such a nice and rare coin is not bad either.

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  • BigAl
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    Congrats image
  • jbsteven
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    << <i>If this is a just made it coin, you may want to consider getting some strong offers while fires are hot, and it remains pop 1 >>



    I could not agree more.
  • pursuitofliberty
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    Congratulations Stuart ... what a great event!!

    I hope you'll share pictures with us when she returns. I too would like to know if you saw her as a 65 (or better, or worse). Only you know at this point, but maybe the coin is a hands down finest known, with no known equal. Her grade certainly suggest she might be.

    I know I'll probably never get a shot like that (because of what I have collected and when I started), but I always love sending in some of my older raw coins just to see what the graders think all these years later. I've been pretty pleased with the coins I've made that way.

    Anyway ... image

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  • Stuart
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    << did you already believe the coin would receive the 65 grade or was it unexpected? >>

    Crazy4Coins: In answer to your above question, I knew that the coin had a shot at being MS-65, and was expecting that it would most likely grade MS-64 -- which would have also been a great score...

    It's got that MS-65 Gem look to it with nice frost and aged Gold Coppery patina. I don't have an image of it yet, but will take some high quality photos of it when I receive it back from PCGS.

    Stuart

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  • clackamas
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    YOU SUCK!!!!!
  • darktone
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    That must have been an awesome feeeling when you realized what you had! Got any more gold sitting around to certifyimage. mike
  • dpoole
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    Phenomenal, Stuart. You have been blessed--at a time when the PCGS gods have been loath to bless. Must be a dynamite specimen. image

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  • RYK
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    Congratulations, Stuart. Could not have happenned to a nicer guy.
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  • Stuart
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    Thanks everyone for your kind words and good wishes on my good fortune with my (Pop 1) 1892-S PCGS MS-65 $20 Gold Liberty Coronet!! image

    I appreciate your posts very much!!

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • MrEureka
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    I knew that the coin had a shot at being MS-65, and was expecting that it would most likely grade MS-64

    Stuart - If you thought it most likely to grade 64, you should probably be a seller. I don't see how it can be worth it TO YOU to keep the coin if you don't think it's a solid 65.
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  • fountainheadgold
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    Stuart, Congratulations, that is really great, I am very happy for you. You do have a good eyeimage
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  • Blade
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    Holy smokes, am I jealous. Congrats, that is what collecting is all about.

    Now just think about Pop reports. There must be other coins out there, in old collections, waiting to be found!
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  • ARCO
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    That has got to feel good. Congratulations. Hope to see some pics shortly though.

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  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Andy: Thanks for your post and for your observations...

    1) I may decide to sell the coin in the future, because the monetized market value from it would allow me to purchase other coins that are more core to my personal collecting preferences, since I am basically an 18th & 19th Century Type Coin, Silver Dollar, and $20 Gold collector (mostly nice type coins and PL $20 Libs). However, since I am not trying to assemble a date set of $20 Libs it is true that this specific coin has more value to someone else than to me.

    2) It is tempting for me to monetize this for a really choice PCGS AU-58 (Prooflike) Draped Bust Dollar, a 1799 $10 Turban Eagle (Prooflike), and perhaps also a high grade AU Flowing Hair Dollar -- three classic type coins that I really do want to own at some point in my collecting experience.

    3) When I say that I thought that the coin most likely to grade MS-64, it's because I recenty also submitted the following 2 $20 Libs (pictured below) (1906-D and 1907-S) which I thought were legitimate MS-64's which only were graded MS-63. It was not that I did not think the coin was worthy of being an MS-65, but who would ever presume to realistically think that their coin would likely grade as a #1 top population coin??

    I knew that it had a shot, and I knew that it was a gorgeous coin, which is why I paid a hefty $75-$100 premium for it back in 1973 when I spent $275 on it -- a whole lot of money back then for a coin worth ~$35 in gold melt.

    It is a very exciting and fun occurrence, as a result of which I am still somewhat shocked... It's fun to think about what other coins I could fund with this one coin.


    1907-S PCGS MS-63 $20 Liberty (PL)

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    1906-D $20 Liberty - PCGS MS-63

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    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • jbsteven
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    << <i>However, since I am not trying to assemble a date set of $20 Libs it is true that this specific coin has more value to someone else than to me. >>



    looks like my prediction might be correct.
  • Stuart
    Stuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Jason: You read me like a book image But, I also respect your (and others') sound opinions on maximizing value for this fortunate strike.

    However you'll notice that the 3 "Dream Coins" that I mentioned, PCGS AU-58 (Prooflike) Draped Bust Dollar, a 1799 $10 Turban Eagle (Prooflike), and perhaps also a high grade AU Flowing Hair Dollar, are not Morgan Dollars...

    Stuart

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