I am a "newbie" myself, that just posted my first message today. I'll give you my thoughts, as I read messages for about a month before deciding if I really wanted to join. I really wasn't really intimidated, instead I had some reservations about joining as the wording from a few seemed to rip into other people's comments. Of course everyone can have their opinion, however, it could have been done more tactfully on some of the posts. I have seen phrases mentioning people to "chill out" or "calm down" as some others thought that maybe it was goin a little to far.
It is sad to see that some people are feeling that way, and hesitate to join. Afterall, coin collecting is a hobby, and suppose to be fun. To have some scared away seems like an opportunity missed to get another person involed in coin collecting. Yes, some may feel it is more of a business, or obsession, but it still should be fun.
Another reason I almost didn't join is I felt I was out of my league in several ways. One, as a newer collector, I didn't know a lot about coin collecting, and it seemed like everyone was talking over my head. But I feel it is the best way to learn, just jump in, ask questions, learn from the responses (I have thick skin) and take everything with a grain of salt. Secondly, I do not have the financial freedom that some people have here. Reading posts that people were buying this coin for $250, or this coin for $1200, and spending time on eBay buying dozens of auctions a week, just isn't a reality for me. I am currently a graduate student in geology right now, and I am lucky to find $10/week to spend on coins. So I fisrt felt out of place. However, I also believe that if you want to learn, just do it. So here I am, ready to learn, and foremost, have fun!
Geoman: Good post...I would hope that most everyone here is here for the same reasons that you are.....to learn about coin collecting, (or offer insight),....and have fun doing it!!!!
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It takes more then rude people or even very smart cats to intimidate Lucy, so I have never felt this way on this forum... I think this forum should be insightful, promote learning, promote collecting, we should all help each other, everyone has input! Bout the only time I was very imtimidated was when I was called by the Legendary Solitaires to help them sing their killer vocal group ballad, 'The Wedding'. Man, there was thousands of Hepcats & kittens in the audience, and to be on stage and singing....whew........Glad most knew me.....
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Yes, many newcomers to this forum may feel intimidated. As I had said in a previous thread, maybe there should be a 3 tier coin forum here. Beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Just a thought, so please don't rip me ! lol
EVERY POST I HAVE MADE ASKING QUESTIONS OR OPINIONS ON COINS, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY HELPFUL GIVING ME VALUABLE INFO AND ADVICE, THIS BOARD HAS BECOME ONE OF MY GREATEST RESOURCES FOR INFO AND AT TIMES A GOOD LAUGH, LIKE WATCHING A SOAP OPERA , BUT ENJOYABLE. THANKS ALLEN
Here is another take on the process of someone new posting to the boards. Take LucyBob for example. Now, when Lucy started posting, I was at first wary... I wasn't sure if it was a put-on, a send-up, or whatever. But, obviously Lucy has proven to be the real deal and it has been kind of a pleasure reading her posts and I enjoy her enthusiasm.
But at first, my guard was up. Because basically I'm kind of cynical--no, change that, I'm a realist. And this hobby is rife with scams, scam artists, and graduating levels of deceitfulness. Interspersed with the fine, honest and truly great people out there.
Lately, there have been a number, of "beard" accounts popping up around here. New accounts appearing out of nowhere, shadowing certain other members, agreeing with people no one else seems to find agreeable, adding very little in substance.
These kind of things make me wary. You almost have to reserve a bit of skepticism to survive. There are the occasional accounts around here that do not have real, credible people behind the icon. And that makes me look a little harder sometimes.
While we give all new members a degree of acceptance, it takes the test of time to see what kind of person the newbie really is. After the quality of the persons character checks out, then we all feel at ease and more trusting. It can be a tough, cruel and sinister world out there and each of us must pay our dues in turn, to earn full acceptance. Bear
I was on the PCGS site, and discovered the Forums. I signed up, and posted my first message when I got my password. There was no "lurking" for me. I was a "newbie" to coins and this forum, so after a while you bet I was intimidated. But since then, I've learned a lot- about different coin types, grading, AT, numismatic terms, etc. (there's more, but I can't think).
There are some threads that I ignore, either because I have no interest/knowledge of the subject, or it's too opinionated and I don't want to get flamed. Others, I may add my two cents, whether it's an experience of mine, advice, or just a humerous remark. I don't "fight" on a thread; I just let it go and move on. Too many things are taken out of context, even when it's just someone's opinion.
Overall, this forum has been a very good experience, and operates more like a community, or dare I say family. Each member with something different to bring to the table.
When I first started on this Forum I knew only a little about a lot of things, now I know almost everything about practically nothing. What a change a year makes in the life of a little bear.
Bear, my world history professor in college said " an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing at all!
<< <i>Now, when Lucy started posting, I was at first wary... I wasn't sure if it was a put-on, a send-up, or whatever. >>
Clankeye,
You too? My cynicism censors were screaming. But, that's a natural function of too many years hanging at BBS's and developing a suspicious nature. But, you're right, she did turn out to be the genuine article.
BTW, in case anybody didn't realize it, I was kidding about being scared to death. I'm new to coins, but - on it's nastiest day - this forum is a walk in the park compared to some places I hang out. I signed up, posted the first day and haven't slowed down since. Probably pissed a few people off along the way too!
Intimidating...Nah>.. no more so than shower time on your first day in prison.
There are a lot of very good natured helpful people here, There are also a number of people who are highly motivated by thier own egos and need to fight at any inference that they or thier pet "cause' might have been slighted. A newbie may not know when they have treaded on "sacred ground' and soon find themselves in an ego firefight. Soon "winning" the arguement becomes more important than the issue itself and the "shielding" that a usename and "online" presence provide allow people to say things that prudence would not allow in a face to face. I can guarantee that a lot of the posts that are made here would not happen in a face to face meeting in a dark alley. It's so much easier to be brave and combative when your safe in your home.
Unsure would be more like it. But if a vet is gonna blast a newbie for a newbie question, Well, how much did the veet know when s/he started out collecting? And most of the folks here are nice enough to link you to a thread or tell you right out. I have noticed, however, that in the last month or so, the flame wars and trolls have increased slightly. But that, i think, is because of new people coming in with motivations that are diffrent than the rest of us. But the way i handle it is simple: Ignore it. I don't post, reply, just mutter obscinities(sic) under my breath and go on my way.
But look at the forum like this:
When you start a new job, the first couple of days, you flounder around and ask silly questions until you get into the swing of things and learn the routine. After that, you're a vet. You keep learning until you can give advice to the newbies, show them the ropes, and then they do it. It's that SIMPLE!!!
B.
PS, thanks for all the info i've learned--Now, i can go into any shop and hold my own (if only i could hold onto my money as well . . . . . .)
B.
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HI: It sure is and all you have to do is look at my thread on this forum, as I got a bunch of raw coins and have no idea of them and tried to look them up under DHRC and was told they are not worth anything near what DHRC says they are, then certain members make comments on what you are trying to sell, so I went to another site and have been having alot of fun trading and selling, as I don't mind sending first as I know that I am a new trader, but there are certain members here that should be removed for some of the comments they make to people, if they don't like what we have just by pass our threads. Thanks for letting me say my piece. Thanks "D"
As a newbie, I started lurking here months before I signed up. Intimidated by the knowledge I lacked, yes. but not by the board itself. I have been lucky that I never was shy about being dumb or uneducated on any subject, and would glady admit it and get help if I needed it. I learn a lot here. I have learned where I should comment and where I shouldnt. If it is a posting on an opinion, I can pretty clearly state that. If it is a technical question, i.e. grading, historical data, I know I should just read and be quiet. Someone here has a little quote at the bottom of their posts saying "I never learned anything while I was talking" and that is a good thing to remember. I cant tell you how much I have absorbed from this group in the line of information and such. I will keep posting and hopefully remember just how dumb I really am in certain areas. But I have found out one good thing, dumbest can be cured by opening your ears. JMHO. Kris
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"When all you got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
From my observation, most newbies have received quality advice in response to their questions.
The few newbie posts that have generated caustic replies have been those from people who seemed more interested in selling their coins for excessive prices than in learning about the history, condition, or value of their coins. Eg. Its4Real and the lady who stated that she knew nothing about coins but that all of the Morgan dollars she had for sale were MS67 and MS68.
On the other hand, there is a lot of flaiming and personal attacks generally, though most not directed at newbies. One of my early posts was a suggestion that forum members abstain from personal attacks and flaiming. That post generated a response to the effect of "Where does this guy come off trying to censor this forum when he's only been a member for a month!" I looked at the profile of the member who posted that reply and saw that he had been a member for two months. I guess I should have waited an extra month before posting.
As has been said, the more that join, the more likely we are to pick up the occasional jerk. Most of these don't last. If you treat other people here decently and respectfully -- at least until you get to know them well -- they'll generally treat you the same. And that's true, I think, from newbies to the forum's "old greybeards". It is sad when one of the occasional "flame wars" breaks out, especially since they often drive off some good people, but even those serve to remind everybody of just what kind of community we want to have ... and adjust accordingly.
Those who want to chew the gristle and spout some flame always have the Open Forum available. On the other side, those who feel a bit intimidated here are always welcome to visit the Dark Side -- the World & Ancient Coins and Currency forums -- for a more congenial crowd and perhaps a less intimidating one in which to get their feet wet while broadening their horizons.
There are many things I can get a bit intimidated by in this life. However, the comments of strangers on a coin collecting forum on the internet has to rank very near the bottom. What is the worst possible thing that could happen?.......God's gift to coin collecting on this forum (just a figure of speech) could call you an idiot and tell you to go away. Then what for pete's sake.....it's a coin collecting forum on the internet. Just laugh it off and find something worth worrying about.
And if some real expert that posts on this forum makes an obvious attempt to insult/intimidate a newbie; it only demonstrates their true character.
All that being said, I find the vast majority of folks on this forum overwhelmingly patient with newbies and most all others......including the occasional Bear. This makes enjoy you guys very much!!!!
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
While I have been somewhat shy/intimidated in the past, this forum has been an excellent resource for information. I have also made (at least) two significant fellow-collector contacts, both of whom have had a substantial positive influence on me as a collector. This direct contact would not have occurred if I were just lurking.
As a newbie, it really pays to get in there and contribute. There is essentially no downside, but the upside is unlimited.
I read at least two pages of the tread trying to figure out what was going on. There were several posts from members with HUNDREDS of posts, but calling them self a newbie.
Then I finally realized that this post was dug up from almost a year ago.
Hi, this board can be scary to post in. I think the knowledge that people have in coins sometimes give them the holy then thou persona. I don't mind that, but it can be intimidating. I love this board and I lurk alot but I've been posting also.
I also read all these nice post for this thread and it makes me feel welcome, being a newbie myself.
I have made one big observation about this thread. The ones that do all the flaming or are all the worst "know it all's" didn't reply in this thread, but post in every other one. Just a thought....
I found it to be intimidating but, you just have to start posting and contributing to the board and in time it's second nature! I've never had anyone bad mouth my ignorance. At least not yet!
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I have made one big observation about this thread. The ones that do all the flaming or are all the worst "know it all's" didn't reply in this thread, but post in every other one. Just a thought.... >>
Perhaps if we keep it on top for a while they'll think we're toasting somebody and come read it.
"No posts yet. I am a little leary of posting since some of the folks are kind of rude to newbies on the board. "
There are some 10,000 members here and it is a fairly large sampling ...which would include a proportionate number of idiots.
For example, there is one idiot who recently criticized "low class dealers" here on this board who post images of their coins in this forum and yet he, not too long ago, like less than 10 days ago, offered his own qtr here...before criticizing the "low class dealers".
Stupidity coupled with a key board is what leads to unwarrented attacks.
And by the way, it is my experience that newbies are not the only ones who get attacked here, with justification or not.
But yes, i can understand a person's reluctance to post here. Getting attacked over and over again for what seems to be innocent things does make one simply want to lurk, or even simply avoid the place.
The problem is that words may not break bones but sometimes the words echo in one's mind long after a bone would have healed.
My last post wasn't really fair to many people and I do intend to drop it. There are many excellent reasons to not post on the boards and even more to not post on this thread.
Oops. My first post turned out blank. I've been lurking on the boards for a little while and have picked up lots of great information. This thread seemed like a good one for my first post. I'm fairly new to the whole hobby, but enjoy reading through the posts from a lot of the regulars. I hope to start posting more often in the future.
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>But yes, i can understand a person's reluctance to post here. Getting attacked over and over again for what seems to be innocent things does make one simply want to lurk, or even simply avoid the place. >>
<< <i>The problem is that words may not break bones but sometimes the words echo in one's mind long after a bone would have healed. >>
Absolutely Adrian!! I know I lurked here awhile after being notified by a good friend that his auction had been bashed over here by a couple of jerks and one bully in particular. After watching the behavior repeated time and time again, I thought I would join. I'm sure plenty of others lurk here and watch the repeated attacks by a small minority and decide to continue to lurk, rather than subject themselves to such lousy behavior! When we allow a few Members to attack, criticize and name-call a new Member, when we tolerate such sorry behavior, then we risk losing that new Member's contributions and the contributions of plenty of other silent new Members who then decide to remain silent rather than risk a bullying attack. Just because someone is new here, does NOT mean they are new to the hobby. I came here with 30 years in the hobby, as I am sure is true of plenty of other Members.
When we remain silent and allow the taunting, bullying, attacks and name-calling of new Members, then we only hurt ourselves and this Forum. Lots of great contributions are never posted, due to the attacks of a very few. In all the time I have been here, I can recall a new Member being labeled a "Troll" by only 2 Members. Now, there may be a number of Members who then swoop in and use the name repeatedly afterward, but the initial name-calling starts with those two.
<< <i>I got a note today from a person who collects coins and reads these boards, who in the note said something that concerned me. They said about their experience here, No posts yet. I am a little leary of posting since some of the folks are kind of rude to newbies on the board - and I don't know a whole lot.). Is that what it feels like from the outside? How many simply read here, but are hesitant to post? >>
This place can be very intimidating and not just to newbies. Many times I find myself canceling a post because I don't want to sound stupid or get "my head handed to me" by somebody who thinks, well, thinks something... I find this forum and the Registry forum to be like this, but not the World forum or the Currency forum.
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I can recall a new member by the name of Wondo getting called names and slam'd and accused of a 2nd id by someone....
it was to bad because Wondo is a good person...... It seems though that things can easily be misunderstood when writing and reading text as opposed to speaking in person....... This is a good forum, every forum that I have ever visited can have flare ups, its the nature of the net..........
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<< <i>I have made one big observation about this thread. The ones that do all the flaming or are all the worst "know it all's" didn't reply in this thread, but post in every other one. Just a thought.... >>
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It is sad to see that some people are feeling that way, and hesitate to join. Afterall, coin collecting is a hobby, and suppose to be fun. To have some scared away seems like an opportunity missed to get another person involed in coin collecting. Yes, some may feel it is more of a business, or obsession, but it still should be fun.
Another reason I almost didn't join is I felt I was out of my league in several ways. One, as a newer collector, I didn't know a lot about coin collecting, and it seemed like everyone was talking over my head. But I feel it is the best way to learn, just jump in, ask questions, learn from the responses (I have thick skin) and take everything with a grain of salt. Secondly, I do not have the financial freedom that some people have here. Reading posts that people were buying this coin for $250, or this coin for $1200, and spending time on eBay buying dozens of auctions a week, just isn't a reality for me. I am currently a graduate student in geology right now, and I am lucky to find $10/week to spend on coins. So I fisrt felt out of place. However, I also believe that if you want to learn, just do it. So here I am, ready to learn, and foremost, have fun!
-Geoman
Good post...I would hope that most everyone here is here for the same reasons that you are.....to learn about coin collecting, (or offer insight),....and have fun doing it!!!!
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But at first, my guard was up. Because basically I'm kind of cynical--no, change that, I'm a realist. And this hobby is rife with scams, scam artists, and graduating levels of deceitfulness. Interspersed with the fine, honest and truly great people out there.
Lately, there have been a number, of "beard" accounts popping up around here. New accounts appearing out of nowhere, shadowing certain other members, agreeing with people no one else seems to find agreeable, adding very little in substance.
These kind of things make me wary. You almost have to reserve a bit of skepticism to survive. There are the occasional accounts around here that do not have real, credible people behind the icon. And that makes me look a little harder sometimes.
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see what kind of person the newbie really is. After the quality of the persons character
checks out, then we all feel at ease and more trusting. It can be a tough, cruel and sinister
world out there and each of us must pay our dues in turn, to earn full acceptance. Bear
Camelot
to make this Forum actually quite TERRIFYING. Bear
Camelot
There are some threads that I ignore, either because I have no interest/knowledge of the subject, or it's too opinionated and I don't want to get flamed. Others, I may add my two cents, whether it's an experience of mine, advice, or just a humerous remark. I don't "fight" on a thread; I just let it go and move on. Too many things are taken out of context, even when it's just someone's opinion.
Overall, this forum has been a very good experience, and operates more like a community, or dare I say family.
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almost everything about practically nothing. What a change a year makes in the life of
a little bear.
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<< <i>Now, when Lucy started posting, I was at first wary... I wasn't sure if it was a put-on, a send-up, or whatever. >>
Clankeye,
You too? My cynicism censors were screaming. But, that's a natural function of too many years hanging at BBS's and developing a suspicious nature. But, you're right, she did turn out to be the genuine article.
BTW, in case anybody didn't realize it, I was kidding about being scared to death.
Russ, NCNE
There are a lot of very good natured helpful people here, There are also a number of people who are highly motivated by thier own egos and need to fight at any inference that they or thier pet "cause' might have been slighted. A newbie may not know when they have treaded on "sacred ground' and soon find themselves in an ego firefight. Soon "winning" the arguement becomes more important than the issue itself and the "shielding" that a usename and "online" presence provide allow people to say things that prudence would not allow in a face to face. I can guarantee that a lot of the posts that are made here would not happen in a face to face meeting in a dark alley. It's so much easier to be brave and combative when your safe in your home.
Unsure would be more like it. But if a vet is gonna blast a newbie for a newbie question, Well, how much did the veet know when s/he started out collecting? And most of the folks here are nice enough to link you to a thread or tell you right out. I have noticed, however, that in the last month or so, the flame wars and trolls have increased slightly. But that, i think, is because of new people coming in with motivations that are diffrent than the rest of us. But the way i handle it is simple: Ignore it. I don't post, reply, just mutter obscinities(sic) under my breath and go on my way.
But look at the forum like this:
When you start a new job, the first couple of days, you flounder around and ask silly questions until you get into the swing of things and learn the routine. After that, you're a vet. You keep learning until you can give advice to the newbies, show them the ropes, and then they do it. It's that SIMPLE!!!
B.
PS, thanks for all the info i've learned--Now, i can go into any shop and hold my own (if only i could hold onto my money as well . . . . . .)
B.
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Camelot
The few newbie posts that have generated caustic replies have been those from people who seemed more interested in selling their coins for excessive prices than in learning about the history, condition, or value of their coins. Eg. Its4Real and the lady who stated that she knew nothing about coins but that all of the Morgan dollars she had for sale were MS67 and MS68.
On the other hand, there is a lot of flaiming and personal attacks generally, though most not directed at newbies. One of my early posts was a suggestion that forum members abstain from personal attacks and flaiming. That post generated a response to the effect of "Where does this guy come off trying to censor this forum when he's only been a member for a month!" I looked at the profile of the member who posted that reply and saw that he had been a member for two months. I guess I should have waited an extra month before posting.
Those who want to chew the gristle and spout some flame always have the Open Forum available. On the other side, those who feel a bit intimidated here are always welcome to visit the Dark Side -- the World & Ancient Coins and Currency forums -- for a more congenial crowd and perhaps a less intimidating one in which to get their feet wet while broadening their horizons.
Come on over ... to The Dark Side!
And if some real expert that posts on this forum makes an obvious attempt to insult/intimidate a newbie; it only demonstrates their true character.
All that being said, I find the vast majority of folks on this forum overwhelmingly patient with newbies and most all others......including the occasional Bear. This makes enjoy you guys very much!!!!
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
As a newbie, it really pays to get in there and contribute. There is essentially no downside, but the upside is unlimited.
Then I finally realized that this post was dug up from almost a year ago.
Suddenly, it all makes cents
I wonder if some of the long time lurkers have changed their opinion much since this thread was started.
I also read all these nice post for this thread and it makes me feel welcome, being a newbie myself.
I have made one big observation about this thread. The ones that do all the flaming or are all the worst "know it all's" didn't reply in this thread, but post in every other one. Just a thought....
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"No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!"
"If it don't make $"
"It don't make cents""
<< <i>
I have made one big observation about this thread. The ones that do all the flaming or are all the worst "know it all's" didn't reply in this thread, but post in every other one. Just a thought.... >>
Perhaps if we keep it on top for a while they'll think we're toasting
somebody and come read it.
There are some 10,000 members here and it is a fairly large sampling ...which would include a proportionate number of idiots.
For example, there is one idiot who recently criticized "low class dealers" here on this board who post images of their coins in this forum and yet he, not too long ago, like less than 10 days ago, offered his own qtr here...before criticizing the "low class dealers".
Stupidity coupled with a key board is what leads to unwarrented attacks.
And by the way, it is my experience that newbies are not the only ones who get attacked here, with justification or not.
But yes, i can understand a person's reluctance to post here. Getting attacked over and over again for what seems to be innocent things does make one simply want to lurk, or even simply avoid the place.
The problem is that words may not break bones but sometimes the words echo in one's mind long after a bone would have healed.
adrian
drop it. There are many excellent reasons to not post on the boards and even
more to not post on this thread.
Sumo's observation was most interesting though.
...David
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>But yes, i can understand a person's reluctance to post here. Getting attacked over and over again for what seems to be innocent things does make one simply want to lurk, or even simply avoid the place. >>
<< <i>The problem is that words may not break bones but sometimes the words echo in one's mind long after a bone would have healed. >>
Absolutely Adrian!! I know I lurked here awhile after being notified by a good friend that his auction had been bashed over here by a couple of jerks and one bully in particular. After watching the behavior repeated time and time again, I thought I would join. I'm sure plenty of others lurk here and watch the repeated attacks by a small minority and decide to continue to lurk, rather than subject themselves to such lousy behavior! When we allow a few Members to attack, criticize and name-call a new Member, when we tolerate such sorry behavior, then we risk losing that new Member's contributions and the contributions of plenty of other silent new Members who then decide to remain silent rather than risk a bullying attack. Just because someone is new here, does NOT mean they are new to the hobby. I came here with 30 years in the hobby, as I am sure is true of plenty of other Members.
When we remain silent and allow the taunting, bullying, attacks and name-calling of new Members, then we only hurt ourselves and this Forum. Lots of great contributions are never posted, due to the attacks of a very few. In all the time I have been here, I can recall a new Member being labeled a "Troll" by only 2 Members. Now, there may be a number of Members who then swoop in and use the name repeatedly afterward, but the initial name-calling starts with those two.
Just my opinion.
<< <i>I got a note today from a person who collects coins and reads these boards, who in the note said something that concerned me. They said about their experience here, No posts yet. I am a little leary of posting since some of the folks are kind of rude to newbies on the board - and I don't know a whole lot.). Is that what it feels like from the outside? How many simply read here, but are hesitant to post? >>
yes...
Tom
Blaze - Yellow male b 3/17/93
Onyx - Black male b 3/7/99
Duchess - Yellow female mix b 3/12/02 rescued 9/18/02
Rifle - Yellow male mix b 12/1/02 rescued 8/8/03
Diamond - Black female b 5/3/05 adopted 8/3/05
First Cam-slam - 9/21/04
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it was to bad because Wondo is a good person...... It seems though that things can easily be misunderstood when writing and reading text as opposed to speaking in person....... This is a good forum, every forum that I have ever visited can have flare ups, its the nature of the net..........
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>Is this forum intimidating to newbies? >>
In a word - YES!
Hey David......Here's a Big Fat Welcome to ya!
Edited: I can't type
<< <i>I have made one big observation about this thread. The ones that do all the flaming or are all the worst "know it all's" didn't reply in this thread, but post in every other one. Just a thought.... >>
Good observation Sumo........at the time.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter