@Barberian . Very nice and very rare. Did you compare this one to the one at Northeast Numismatic at all? Theirs has a very strong reverse but such an unfortunate scratch on the obverse. I think you get a better "Liberty" too. Congrats. James
@seatedlib3991 said: @Barberian . Very nice and very rare. Did you compare this one to the one at Northeast Numismatic at all? Theirs has a very strong reverse but such an unfortunate scratch on the obverse. I think you get a better "Liberty" too. Congrats. James
Not before the GC auction. I like this coin better for its nice, original look, and I got this for a much lower price. It's a good deal all around.
Counting chickens before they hatch...
This 1867-S was ordered two nights ago, and hopefully it will arrive soon.
1867-S PCGS XF40 CAC
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. @sedulous, the 1843-O has cupric salts showing on the coin, likely from PVC flip leachate reacting with the copper in the coin. The coin needs to be soaked in 100% acetone to remove that green crud or it will continue etching the coin. I'd even roll a Q-tip swab with acetone over the green spots to facilitate removal if a good soaking doesn't remove them. I can already see some damage from the green crud.
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@Copperindian said:
Posted in another thread, but it definitely belongs here too:
Quite the provenance traced back nearly 120 years. The coin upgraded since publication of the auction writeup.
The current photo is not a match to the coin in the auction plate photo.
Just look at the mint mark location.
It is high and left in the current photo.
It is middle and centered (Gerry's terms; I would call it low and right) in the auction plate photo.
In both the above auction photos, it should be clear that the mint mark is lower and right than in your PCGS MS67 CAC photos. It matches the Eliasberg sale plate photo that you posted.
Your coin is shown in Gerry Fortin's Sales Archive as a PCGS MS67 CAC F-102 and when it sold in May 2025, it did not include the provenance you listed.
His description was:
Finest Known, Gem Original, Gerry Fortin Collection.. Honors for the third "finest known" in the Fortin Collection goes to the 1869-S issue, a scarce date in Mint State. This lone MS67 certified example suddenly appeared within a Great Collections auction during 2021 with no prior auction appearances. The preservation is flawless with deeply frosted luster and swirling cartwheels. Obverse motifs are fully impressed while the reverse shows typical weakness at the upper left wheat grains. A phenomenal specimen with charm that will last a collecting lifetime. F-102 die pairing with a Small Weak S. Utilized as the plate coin within The Definitive Resource for Liberty Seated Dime Variety Collectors online reference. The CAC price guide indicates $26,400 as market value while PCGS quotes $30,000. Acquired April 2021 via Great Collections auction. Housed in PCGS Gen 3.1 (1993-1998) holder with CAC approval. PCGS #4650.
@yosclimber: excellent post (& legwork)! In another thread, a member commented it was the “far rarer F-102” is how he put it. As I don’t collect this series, it didn’t mean much to me at the time. Now it does. Appreciate your clarity provided, as well as the interesting history!
In the interest of accuracy, I’ve deleted the auction reference so as not to cause any further confusion to anyone else.
Here's a coin I was saving to sell to @RichUrich. He was once looking for 1842 Large date WB-12s with a retained cud, so I started purchasing them off of eBay to sell to him. I had two of them, but then he retired.
AU 58 CAC (crack and cross from an NGC 55 holder…..probably should’ve left it as in the NGC holder before sending to CAC!)
(*1853 H10c is PC45/CAC but no TV)
DIMES
(*1849 O 10c is PC30/CAC but no TV)
(*1863 S 10c is PC25/CAC but no TV)
AU 58+/CAC. Cracked out if NGC62 holder a few years ago, sat in album, then submitted this year.
20 CENT
XF 45/CAC. Raw eBay purchase
QUARTERS
XF 40 CAC I like to include better dates throughout my set, but this was just too perfect a representative of the type to pass up. If anyone asks me what “look” I most enjoy in seated coinage, I’d just show them this.
XF 40 CAC. Slightly better date, also extremely attractive to my eyes, and conservatively graded (just the way I like em).
(*1854 arrows 25c is CACG XF45)
HALF DOLLARS
AU 55/CAC
(*1876 50c is PC45/CAC but no TV)
XF 45/CAC. Cracked and crossed from a yellow ANACS 45 holder.
DOLLARS
XF 45/CAC. (No TV, but a screen grab of CROs pics)
@MEJ7070 . Excellent, Excellent coins. My smartphone died so I'm recharging but can't wait to see these coins on it. Those are some tough Seated Dime dates. I think every collector has a picture in their mind of what they would like all the coins in their set to look like; congrats on the 1856 Quarter. Thanks for posting; made my whole morning. James
Rare die marriages are becoming a problem for me. I cannot resist them even when they are ugly. I already own what I believe is the top pop WB-6. This is likely the worst WB-6 known at "VF30 Details scratched" by my grading. I don't see any evidence of cleaning now that I have it in hand.
@Barberian said:
Here's a coin I was saving to sell to @RichUrich. He was once looking for 1842 Large date WB-12s with a retained cud, so I started purchasing them off of eBay to sell to him. I had two of them, but then he retired.
Time for an old cud clearance sale.
Very pretty coin with cool cud! i used to sell to Rich too. He is the best of the best!
I just received the results of my CAC sticker submission for 24 coins. They were pretty tough on them. Six out of 16 submitted seated Liberty halves received green CAC stickers. Some were, in CAC fact, overgraded.
Three out of 7 Classic Commemoratives CAC'ed, and my gorgeous 39-D PCGS MS66 Walker purchased from @MFeld 17 years years ago, for which I don't have a photo, did NOT receive a green sticker which is disappointing. All six SLH that stickered (shown below) were originally purchased raw off eBay.
PCGS XF45 CAC - An awesome XF45, I'm very happy, relieved actually, that it stickered. I would have been shocked if it didn't sticker.
PCGS XF40 CAC
PCGS VF25 CAC - I love the rich toning and contrast on this coin.
PCGS VF45 CAC
PCGS VF35 CAC
PCGS VF35 CAC - CAC and I liked this coin, one of my favorites for its crusty, weathered toning.
Grades were just posted for one of my submissions to PCGS. One of my favorite 1855/54 overdates just passed with PCGS. I'm delighted because I wasn't sure that it would. Unfortunately, the Trueview looks like a dead fish with faded colors and poor contrast. I had to juice the color and contrast and reduce the lighting to get the Trueview to approximate the coin in-hand.
AG3 WB-1 1855/54
The only Trueview that looks decent is my Bay Bridge. It's a tad light, but it doesn't have that washed out, dead fish look.
AU50
This gives me another graded coin with a Trueview that I can use to troll the Facebook Classic Commemoratives page. I've shown them my seller's photos and scans of raw commemoratives and almost everyone who responded thought every coin I showed was a Chinese fake. They became irritated and were pleading with me to stop buying fake coins off TEMU. One guy thought I must have known they were all fakes and that I'm just trolling them. Nope. The negative comments and sarcasm were initially startling, but the responses became so amusing to me that I started posting more seller's photos and scams of the coins I already had graded. Same response, "FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!" This Bay Bridge was also declared to be a fake.
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I've been distracted by scarce die marriages and die states this year.
1874-S WB-5
1874-S WB-2
I just landed this upgrade off of GC. I couldn't resist it, and I'm delighted to win it. Now I have to figure out a way to pay for it.
PCGS VF25 Great Photo
TrueView
@Barberian . Very nice and very rare. Did you compare this one to the one at Northeast Numismatic at all? Theirs has a very strong reverse but such an unfortunate scratch on the obverse. I think you get a better "Liberty" too. Congrats. James
Not before the GC auction. I like this coin better for its nice, original look, and I got this for a much lower price. It's a good deal all around.
This was in an old Whitman blue... a long-time collection. Recently discovered at my LCS. Amazing! These must have been a part of a Type set:
1870-P SLH
1843-O SLH
I'll Throw This One In as a "pre-Seated" - 1839-O Capped Bust Half
Amazing! Beautiful and Tough Looking Original Like This
Tim
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Counting chickens before they hatch...
This 1867-S was ordered two nights ago, and hopefully it will arrive soon.
1867-S PCGS XF40 CAC
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@sedulous, the 1843-O has cupric salts showing on the coin, likely from PVC flip leachate reacting with the copper in the coin. The coin needs to be soaked in 100% acetone to remove that green crud or it will continue etching the coin. I'd even roll a Q-tip swab with acetone over the green spots to facilitate removal if a good soaking doesn't remove them. I can already see some damage from the green crud.
Love that coin, perfect look for a high end circ.
I crossed the Seated Liberty Dollar from an NGC/CAC 45 holder to the PCGS holder.
Posted in another thread, but it definitely belongs here too:
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quite the golden hue on that 69-S dime!
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The current photo is not a match to the coin in the auction plate photo.
Just look at the mint mark location.
It is high and left in the current photo.
It is middle and centered (Gerry's terms; I would call it low and right) in the auction plate photo.
The current photo is the plate coin for F-102 in Gerry's guide.
The auction plate photo looks more like a F-101.
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/pictorial/1869s.htm
@yosclimber: interesting observation; for me, it’s too close to call. That being said, I’m sticking with the source for this one.
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Thanks for replying.
I looked into it.
The ex-Reimers, Clapp and Eliasberg is in fact a F-101.
It was a NGC MS67 in 2018-8 at Heritage, where it mentions that provenance, and the mint mark position matches the Eliasberg sale plate above.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dimes/dimes/1869-s-10c-f-101-r3-ms67-ngc/a/1278-3402.s
It was a PCGS MS66 in 2006-6 at Goldberg Auctions, where it also mentions the above provenance.
http://images.goldbergauctions.com/php/lot_auc.php?site=1&sale=14&lot=2160&lang=1
In both the above auction photos, it should be clear that the mint mark is lower and right than in your PCGS MS67 CAC photos. It matches the Eliasberg sale plate photo that you posted.
Your coin is shown in Gerry Fortin's Sales Archive as a PCGS MS67 CAC F-102 and when it sold in May 2025, it did not include the provenance you listed.
His description was:
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/SalesArchive.html
What was your source for this provenance?
Either way, it's a great coin.
I am just trying to be accurate about the provenance and die pair attribution.
No question about it:
Also, the date positions on the two coins are different and the OP coin is clashed on both sides while the coin referenced from the catalog is not.
@yosclimber: excellent post (& legwork)! In another thread, a member commented it was the “far rarer F-102” is how he put it. As I don’t collect this series, it didn’t mean much to me at the time. Now it does. Appreciate your clarity provided, as well as the interesting history!
In the interest of accuracy, I’ve deleted the auction reference so as not to cause any further confusion to anyone else.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
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Copperindian
Copperindian II
Indy Eagles
Gold Rush
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Early Walkers
Successful transactions: redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector
Recently arrived newp:
1871-S Seated Half PCGS AU53
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Fantastic dual sided even look to that 71-S @sedulous
Here's a coin I was saving to sell to @RichUrich. He was once looking for 1842 Large date WB-12s with a retained cud, so I started purchasing them off of eBay to sell to him. I had two of them, but then he retired.
Time for an old cud clearance sale.
Now it works.... p62 DDR
Upgrade for my 1890 mint set. Rev haze is on the slab.
Menomonee Falls Wisconsin USA
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistr...dset.aspx?s=68269&ac=1">Musky 1861 Mint Set
Destroyed value as I put in bezel for my wife to wear around her neck
Menomonee Falls Wisconsin USA
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistr...dset.aspx?s=68269&ac=1">Musky 1861 Mint Set
@Musky1011 . You must love your wife very, very, very, very, much. that is all i can say. james
The TVd Seated members of my 7070 set:
HALF DIMES
XF 45 CAC
AU 58 CAC (crack and cross from an NGC 55 holder…..probably should’ve left it as in the NGC holder before sending to CAC!)
(*1853 H10c is PC45/CAC but no TV)
DIMES
(*1849 O 10c is PC30/CAC but no TV)
(*1863 S 10c is PC25/CAC but no TV)
AU 58+/CAC. Cracked out if NGC62 holder a few years ago, sat in album, then submitted this year.
20 CENT
XF 45/CAC. Raw eBay purchase
QUARTERS
XF 40 CAC I like to include better dates throughout my set, but this was just too perfect a representative of the type to pass up. If anyone asks me what “look” I most enjoy in seated coinage, I’d just show them this.
XF 40 CAC. Slightly better date, also extremely attractive to my eyes, and conservatively graded (just the way I like em).
(*1854 arrows 25c is CACG XF45)
HALF DOLLARS
AU 55/CAC
(*1876 50c is PC45/CAC but no TV)
XF 45/CAC. Cracked and crossed from a yellow ANACS 45 holder.
DOLLARS
XF 45/CAC. (No TV, but a screen grab of CROs pics)
CACG 40
Slow morning over here! Thanks for indulging me.
@MEJ7070 . Excellent, Excellent coins. My smartphone died so I'm recharging but can't wait to see these coins on it. Those are some tough Seated Dime dates. I think every collector has a picture in their mind of what they would like all the coins in their set to look like; congrats on the 1856 Quarter. Thanks for posting; made my whole morning. James
Almost looks like a twin to one that I had.
Rare die marriages are becoming a problem for me. I cannot resist them even when they are ugly. I already own what I believe is the top pop WB-6. This is likely the worst WB-6 known at "VF30 Details scratched" by my grading. I don't see any evidence of cleaning now that I have it in hand.
1877-S WB-6 "Weird F" (R7)
Pretty better date coin and rare in mint state! Quite the prize!
Very pretty coin with cool cud! i used to sell to Rich too. He is the best of the best!
Great eye appeal on a better date!
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Nice type set! Wholesome coins!
Thanks , they are all in my 7070
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Wow! Terrific 1873-S!
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I just received the results of my CAC sticker submission for 24 coins. They were pretty tough on them. Six out of 16 submitted seated Liberty halves received green CAC stickers. Some were, in CAC fact, overgraded.
Three out of 7 Classic Commemoratives CAC'ed, and my gorgeous 39-D PCGS MS66 Walker purchased from @MFeld 17 years years ago, for which I don't have a photo, did NOT receive a green sticker which is disappointing. All six SLH that stickered (shown below) were originally purchased raw off eBay.
PCGS XF45 CAC - An awesome XF45, I'm very happy, relieved actually, that it stickered. I would have been shocked if it didn't sticker.
PCGS XF40 CAC
PCGS VF25 CAC - I love the rich toning and contrast on this coin.
PCGS VF45 CAC
PCGS VF35 CAC
PCGS VF35 CAC - CAC and I liked this coin, one of my favorites for its crusty, weathered toning.
Recent GC pickup.
Grades were just posted for one of my submissions to PCGS. One of my favorite 1855/54 overdates just passed with PCGS. I'm delighted because I wasn't sure that it would. Unfortunately, the Trueview looks like a dead fish with faded colors and poor contrast. I had to juice the color and contrast and reduce the lighting to get the Trueview to approximate the coin in-hand.
AG3 WB-1 1855/54
The only Trueview that looks decent is my Bay Bridge. It's a tad light, but it doesn't have that washed out, dead fish look.
AU50
This gives me another graded coin with a Trueview that I can use to troll the Facebook Classic Commemoratives page. I've shown them my seller's photos and scans of raw commemoratives and almost everyone who responded thought every coin I showed was a Chinese fake. They became irritated and were pleading with me to stop buying fake coins off TEMU. One guy thought I must have known they were all fakes and that I'm just trolling them. Nope. The negative comments and sarcasm were initially startling, but the responses became so amusing to me that I started posting more seller's photos and scams of the coins I already had graded. Same response, "FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!" This Bay Bridge was also declared to be a fake.
Very nice looking coin that looks even better in hand. Ex @Catbert