Have you seen my new Trade dollar? This is a GFRC photo, so I'm not sure exactly what it's going to look like. I trust @GotTheBug's eye, GerryF, and CAC on this one.
Congrats! That looks like it’s going to be a great coin. Unfortunately GFRC has some of the worst photos in the industry so you never know what you’re getting.
In this case, Gerry's photo is the best photo I could find for this coin, though CRO may have photos of it from a previous sale. The coin has a golden tan/loden greenish toning with hardly a mark on the surfaces. It's a gem for the grade; a Gerry BUY IT NOW coin. LOL!
Have you seen my new Trade dollar? This is a GFRC photo, so I'm not sure exactly what it's going to look like. I trust @GotTheBug's eye, GerryF, and CAC on this one.
Congrats! That looks like it’s going to be a great coin. Unfortunately GFRC has some of the worst photos in the industry so you never know what you’re getting.
While GFRC's photos are relatively small relative to say TrueViews (what was once the best),
he takes considerable time and effort to adjust the colors to what they look like in hand.
So they are superior to past and present TrueViews in that regard.
I agree larger photos in addition to the color match would be nice.
@Aspie_Rocco said:
What is the year/mint/denomination of the smoking Liberty Seated variety? I saw one once but completely forgot what is actually was.
@Aspie_Rocco said:
What is the year/mint/denomination of the smoking Liberty Seated variety? I saw one once but completely forgot what is actually was.
Have you seen my new Trade dollar? This is a GFRC photo, so I'm not sure exactly what it's going to look like. I trust @GotTheBug's eye, GerryF, and CAC on this one.
Congrats! That looks like it’s going to be a great coin. Unfortunately GFRC has some of the worst photos in the industry so you never know what you’re getting.
While GFRC's photos are relatively small relative to say TrueViews (what was once the best),
he takes considerable time and effort to adjust the colors to what they look like in hand.
So they are superior to past and present TrueViews in that regard.
I agree larger photos in addition to the color match would be nice.
Gerry's photo above is a very good match for the coin in-hand. However, this coin would benefit greatly from a direct light photo as well to show the considerable change when viewing the coin directly. The obverse changes from dark blue to a light rose-amber tone with a strong cameo effect. Gerry mentions this Jekyll Hyde toning change in his blog and the inquiries he had about it.
Have you seen my new Trade dollar? This is a GFRC photo, so I'm not sure exactly what it's going to look like. I trust @GotTheBug's eye, GerryF, and CAC on this one.
Congrats! That looks like it’s going to be a great coin. Unfortunately GFRC has some of the worst photos in the industry so you never know what you’re getting.
While GFRC's photos are relatively small relative to say TrueViews (what was once the best),
he takes considerable time and effort to adjust the colors to what they look like in hand.
So they are superior to past and present TrueViews in that regard.
I agree larger photos in addition to the color match would be nice.
Oh man, don't get me started. No matter how much time he invests, the picture output is just terrible. I can back up my opinion with many examples, but won't do so here.
Seated Half Society member #38 "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
I have to see it in-hand to be certain because I cannot see the "4" and I have to compare its height against the height of the right arrow (higher for WB-5; the same for WB-2), but I'm pretty confident that it's a WB-5.
I now am aware of five of them:
1) The MS66 NGC plate coin for 1874-S (they failed to recognize it as a new die marriage in their discussion of DMs).
2) the MS64 discovery coin - credited to Dick Osburn, but the author of the auction catalog pointed out the new DM in the lot description. Are they the same person?
3) a cleaned AU - it spent a long time on eBay until the price was reduced by another seller.
4) an F02 that got away from me (someone hit the BIN button while I was typing up a "best offer"). I suffered for a day.
5) and the cleaned, scratched F02 that didn't get away.
Are there any others that you're aware of?
I should start a thread entitled "Barberian's 100 greatest US coins" featuring culls of scarce die marriages and other assorted dogs with fleas as a tongue-in-cheek response to Elite's "100 greatest US coins".
First time sharing this one as I only recently got high-res photos taken.
This is a Philly issue 1875 20c (mintage 36,910)—it's a duplicate in my set as I have an MS64 CAC. I bought this one because of the color, originality and OGH, and was thrilled when it returned from CAC with a bean.
The semi-prooflike surfaces aren't evident in the photos, but it's a very pretty and dynamic coin in hand. The reflectivity is strong enough that I checked the die marriage twice to be sure it was a business strike.
Photos were taken in two different sets of lighting which are shown below. Usually I end up selling my duplicates, but I don't see myself parting with this one. CAC Pop 8 stickered in 63; total 40 mint state business strikes beaned.
That is a really nice 46 medium date.
I was just looking at my VF30 1846 medium date with nice, original-looking toning but with a bunch of rim dings, trying to decide whether I should submit it for grading or just buy another example free of rim dings.
I didn't have a scan for this coin, so that alone has convinced me to get rid of it. It was too ugly to scan until now. I don't need it for a registry because a tall date will fill the slot and my tall date is an attractive, circulated cameo VF25 (shown below). I just don't want to spend money to have it graded and slabbed if I don't like it.
That brings up another topic...why don't the registries include major varieties like the different date and lettering sizes for 1842 and date sizes for 1846? They are major changes yet are not included in their defined sets.
Warning! - this coin may be hazardous to numismatists eyes!!!
Edited because I've already shown what turned out to be a glamor shot of this coin. It's fair uglier than depicted above and has been edited to capture its, ahem, unique qualities.
@Cladiator First of all, that's a beautifully toned 1866-S WM. I also think VF30 is a conservative grade for that coin and recommend sending to CAC for stickering.
I have an 1866-S WM in VF35 that isn't as nice as yours (2nd coin below) because the obverse shows light wiping, but it shares toning similar to your coin on the reverse. Comparing the wear on the two coins, I think your VF30 shows LESS wear than my VF35 as well, supporting my belief that it should have a very good chance of stickering.
Correct, it is not a Large Date.
It is a Medium Date.
The Large Date overlaps the base so much that the base is visible within the upper loops of both 8s.
Non-expert dealers and ebayers often write Large Date on the holder, hoping to get a better price.
More unusual to see it wrong on a PCGS slab.
I agree with your attribution that it is a V-5.
Date position and shallow date are correct for V-5.
And it also has the reverse light crack through E1.
What is a V-5?
Valentine-5. Valentine's book numbered the different die pairs he identified for each date and mint mark.
For 1848 he identified 7 die pairs.
The Large Date is V-1.
Currently there is another die pair known - the V-9 with "Far Right Date".
@fastfreddie said:
Here's another super choice for the grade example. Has some reflective glimmer deep in the crevices evident in hand. I can't stop looking at it.
Discovery coin by Bill Fivaz. On the rev, there’s a FE clash. More well known is its cousin, the 25C clash on the FE cent.
This pic will show the clash more clearly:
First of all, and most importantly, this is a beautiful coin. I love it! Congrats, Catbert!
However, this is NOT XF40. This isn't even VF35. It struggles at VF30. What sticker do CAC coins overgraded by two grades receive? A black bean? A jumping bean?
This coin goes straight into the CAC Hall of Shame.
First of all, and most importantly, this is a beautiful coin. I love it! Congrats, Catbert!
However, this is NOT XF40. This isn't even VF35. It struggles at VF30. What sticker do CAC coins overgraded by two grades receive? A black bean? A jumping bean?
This coin goes straight into the CAC Hall of Shame.
Actually, I think I agree with you. That worn ribbon would be the clearest indication to me.
Seated Half Society member #38 "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
First of all, and most importantly, this is a beautiful coin. I love it! Congrats, Catbert!
However, this is NOT XF40. This isn't even VF35. It struggles at VF30. What sticker do CAC coins overgraded by two grades receive? A black bean? A jumping bean?
This coin goes straight into the CAC Hall of Shame.
Actually, I think I agree with you. That worn ribbon would be the clearest indication to me.
There is nothing on it that indicates XF40 wear. The overall wear suggests VF30 at best. Perhaps CAC is cutting it some slack for a weak strike, but XF40 is absurd.
If we're talking purely numbers I'd have to put its obverse at a 15 and the reverse at a 25 with an overall combined grade of 20. Numbers schmumbers though, by going off those photos it's one of the most eye appealing and honest circulated CC halves I've seen in quite some time. The coin is a winner in my book regardless of the label.
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In this case, Gerry's photo is the best photo I could find for this coin, though CRO may have photos of it from a previous sale. The coin has a golden tan/loden greenish toning with hardly a mark on the surfaces. It's a gem for the grade; a Gerry BUY IT NOW coin. LOL!
I like those teeny tiny Ss. Lots of rare die marriages amongst them.
WB-19, R5
WB-6 (shown) and WB-40, Both with a "Weird F" reverse and both R7s
WB-4, R8-
While GFRC's photos are relatively small relative to say TrueViews (what was once the best),
he takes considerable time and effort to adjust the colors to what they look like in hand.
So they are superior to past and present TrueViews in that regard.
I agree larger photos in addition to the color match would be nice.
What is the year/mint/denomination of the smoking Liberty Seated variety? I saw one once but completely forgot what is actually was.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
Thank you @Manifest the White
511560 1857 quarter.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
Need a smoking section.
Gerry's photo above is a very good match for the coin in-hand. However, this coin would benefit greatly from a direct light photo as well to show the considerable change when viewing the coin directly. The obverse changes from dark blue to a light rose-amber tone with a strong cameo effect. Gerry mentions this Jekyll Hyde toning change in his blog and the inquiries he had about it.
Finally! (I think)
1874-S WB-5 (R7)
After having one coin sold out from under me and passing on another, I couldn't let this gem get away no matter how gemmy it looked.
Oh man, don't get me started. No matter how much time he invests, the picture output is just terrible. I can back up my opinion with many examples, but won't do so here.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
@skier07 Beautiful coins! However, they cannot compete with my latest pickup. Somehow, this one escaped @TomB's, @Catbert's, and D. Hansen's notice.
1874-S WB-5 Fair details "cleaned, scratched" (mygrades). Also, quite rare (R7).
I have to see it in-hand to be certain because I cannot see the "4" and I have to compare its height against the height of the right arrow (higher for WB-5; the same for WB-2), but I'm pretty confident that it's a WB-5.
I now am aware of five of them:
1) The MS66 NGC plate coin for 1874-S (they failed to recognize it as a new die marriage in their discussion of DMs).
2) the MS64 discovery coin - credited to Dick Osburn, but the author of the auction catalog pointed out the new DM in the lot description. Are they the same person?
3) a cleaned AU - it spent a long time on eBay until the price was reduced by another seller.
4) an F02 that got away from me (someone hit the BIN button while I was typing up a "best offer"). I suffered for a day.
5) and the cleaned, scratched F02 that didn't get away.
Are there any others that you're aware of?
I should start a thread entitled "Barberian's 100 greatest US coins" featuring culls of scarce die marriages and other assorted dogs with fleas as a tongue-in-cheek response to Elite's "100 greatest US coins".
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My 20 cent pieces-sorry no 1876-CC.
First time sharing this one as I only recently got high-res photos taken.
This is a Philly issue 1875 20c (mintage 36,910)—it's a duplicate in my set as I have an MS64 CAC. I bought this one because of the color, originality and OGH, and was thrilled when it returned from CAC with a bean.
The semi-prooflike surfaces aren't evident in the photos, but it's a very pretty and dynamic coin in hand. The reflectivity is strong enough that I checked the die marriage twice to be sure it was a business strike.
Photos were taken in two different sets of lighting which are shown below. Usually I end up selling my duplicates, but I don't see myself parting with this one. CAC Pop 8 stickered in 63; total 40 mint state business strikes beaned.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
That is a really nice 46 medium date.
I was just looking at my VF30 1846 medium date with nice, original-looking toning but with a bunch of rim dings, trying to decide whether I should submit it for grading or just buy another example free of rim dings.
I didn't have a scan for this coin, so that alone has convinced me to get rid of it. It was too ugly to scan until now. I don't need it for a registry because a tall date will fill the slot and my tall date is an attractive, circulated cameo VF25 (shown below). I just don't want to spend money to have it graded and slabbed if I don't like it.
That brings up another topic...why don't the registries include major varieties like the different date and lettering sizes for 1842 and date sizes for 1846? They are major changes yet are not included in their defined sets.
NewP !!
Warning! - this coin may be hazardous to numismatists eyes!!!
Edited because I've already shown what turned out to be a glamor shot of this coin. It's fair uglier than depicted above and has been edited to capture its, ahem, unique qualities.
1874-S WB-5 (R7)
VG-10/CAC
End Systemic Elitism - It Takes All of Us
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@edwardjulio Your 1843 is an uber-gem compared to my brightly polished washer. My WB-5 has gone through the spin cycle a few times.
VF20 1842-O Large Date with interesting toning. (TrueView color adjusted to match the coin.)
Recent acquisition courtesy of GFRC. WB-1, R-3.
My first seated halves
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
Another hole filled...
That is a beautiful and elegant circulation cameo. I really like that look!
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
Tough coin, very nice!
From the GotTheBug collection. Another hole upgraded...
PCGS XF40 CAC
@Cladiator First of all, that's a beautifully toned 1866-S WM. I also think VF30 is a conservative grade for that coin and recommend sending to CAC for stickering.
I have an 1866-S WM in VF35 that isn't as nice as yours (2nd coin below) because the obverse shows light wiping, but it shares toning similar to your coin on the reverse. Comparing the wear on the two coins, I think your VF30 shows LESS wear than my VF35 as well, supporting my belief that it should have a very good chance of stickering.
This is a recent acquisition:
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
The coin below is in an active Great Collections Auction.
I'm not going mad, right? This coin is clearly mislabeled by PCGS? Looks like maybe a V-5?
What is a V-5?
The grade looks fine to me
Mike
My Indians
Dansco Set
Correct, it is not a Large Date.
It is a Medium Date.
The Large Date overlaps the base so much that the base is visible within the upper loops of both 8s.
Non-expert dealers and ebayers often write Large Date on the holder, hoping to get a better price.
More unusual to see it wrong on a PCGS slab.
On the PCGS CoinFacts 1848 Large Date page, 9 coins are shown. 1 is a Medium Date.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1848-h10c-large-date/images/4339
On the PCGS CoinFacts 1848 Medium Date page, 13 coins are shown. All 13 are Medium Dates.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1848-h10c-medium-date/images/4338
I agree with your attribution that it is a V-5.
Date position and shallow date are correct for V-5.
And it also has the reverse light crack through E1.
Valentine-5. Valentine's book numbered the different die pairs he identified for each date and mint mark.
For 1848 he identified 7 die pairs.
The Large Date is V-1.
Currently there is another die pair known - the V-9 with "Far Right Date".
Put this 66S NM into the album today. It was the first time I've tackled CAC plastic and was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to get it out.
Guys those are some Lovely seateds. I'm happy for all of you.
One day I hope to have a strong example.
Very excited to get this hole filed with such a choice specimen courtesy of an expert Liberty Seated Quarter set builder.
F12 CAC
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Compare my 1864-S quarter, also PCGS F12, vs. fastfreddie's.
There's a significant difference in the amount of wear.
Mine is a nice coin that would get a CAC bean if it were in a VG08 or VG10 holder, but it got a gift grade instead.
Different graders, different day. Solid specimen for a rare date. Full Liberty so to me it's 10-12.
Here's another super choice for the grade example. Has some reflective glimmer deep in the crevices evident in hand. I can't stop looking at it.
VF25 CAC
John,
I'm glad you're enjoying your new acquisitions!
Doug
Discovery coin by Bill Fivaz. On the rev, there’s a FE clash. More well known is its cousin, the 25C clash on the FE cent.
This pic will show the clash more clearly:
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
With CAC green bean
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
This coin is a 20 on the obverse and pretty close to that on the reverse. Should be a 20 overall considering the originality. Awesome coin.
That is cool, the chamber pot seated…
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
First of all, and most importantly, this is a beautiful coin. I love it! Congrats, Catbert!
However, this is NOT XF40. This isn't even VF35. It struggles at VF30. What sticker do CAC coins overgraded by two grades receive? A black bean? A jumping bean?
This coin goes straight into the CAC Hall of Shame.
Actually, I think I agree with you. That worn ribbon would be the clearest indication to me.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
There is nothing on it that indicates XF40 wear. The overall wear suggests VF30 at best. Perhaps CAC is cutting it some slack for a weak strike, but XF40 is absurd.
If we're talking purely numbers I'd have to put its obverse at a 15 and the reverse at a 25 with an overall combined grade of 20. Numbers schmumbers though, by going off those photos it's one of the most eye appealing and honest circulated CC halves I've seen in quite some time. The coin is a winner in my book regardless of the label.