CFP rankings. Iowa not ranked in the other two major polls notches in the top 20. The rankings are dominated by the SEC and BIG ten accounting for 16 out of the 25 spots.
@coolstanley said: the SEC and BIG ten accounting for 16 out of the 25 spots.
And only 4 Conferences represented. Both of those facts should be concerning to the NCAA and he sport. A quick analysis shows that with only 5 spots actually left some of the teams will be at home like Alabama was last season. With all the SEC showing that they are capable of losing every week to any other team I would think the pressure is really on. A loss from here on is a death blow.
Big games this weekend:
BYU vs. Texas Tech --- at 7 and 8 this is a Conference Championship preview.
Texas A&M vs. Missouri --- does Texas A&M leave the Top 10 or does Missouri leave the Top 25??
Probably will make it:
SEC --- Texas A&M
Big 10 --- Ohio State
Big 12 --- BYU
ACC --- Virginia
Power 5/Memphis
Indiana
Alabama
On the "bubble":
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas Tech
Oregon Ducks
Notre Dame
Most likely out:
Texas
Oklahoma
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
"And right now, we’re being told that a group that features six sitting athletic directors who have time-consuming day jobs — and make up exactly half of the selection committee — should be trusted without question. I take issue with that."
Who exactly is on the Committee??
Chris Ault – former Nevada head coach and athletic director
Troy Dannen – current athletic director at Nebraska
Mark Dantonio – former head coach at Cincinnati and Michigan State
Jeff Long – former athletic director at Kansas, Arkansas, Pittsburgh and Eastern Kentucky
Ivan Maisel – longtime sportswriter and Hall of Fame member of the Football Writers Association of America
Chris Massaro – current athletic director at Middle Tennessee State
Mack Rhoades – current athletic director at Baylor
Mike Riley – former head coach at Oregon State and Nebraska
David Sayler – current athletic director at Miami (Ohio)
Wesley Walls – former Ole Miss tight end enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame
Carla Williams – current athletic director at Virginia
Hunter Yurachek – current athletic director at Arkansas
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Technically 5 conferences with ND. ND gets a full conference vote for any changes in football, I dont really get the ND one when they lost to Miami and have the same record. They clearly dont like the ACC very much
Thats kind of the only real head scratchier other than their TV deal but the rest was solid
@Basebal21 said:
Technically 5 conferences with ND. ND gets a full conference vote for any changes in football, I dont really get the ND one when they lost to Miami and have the same record. They clearly dont like the ACC very much
Thats kind of the only real head scratchier other than their TV deal but the rest was solid
The reason ND is ranked higher than Miami, despite Miami winning the head the head, is because the two teams have been headed in the opposite direction. ND has been playing good, while Miami has not.
@coolstanly said: The reason ND is ranked higher than Miami
I can't express what I'm thinking clearly right now, but the easiest explanation is that Notre Dame is a better team NOW even though Miami(Fla) was a better team two months ago. This is in part why Strength of Schedule is such a distortion and the only thing that really matter is Strength of Record when the final Poll is considered by that committee. My hope is that at some point they take a long hard look at Alabama, especially the games against Georgia, Missouri and South Carolina. Those three games were won by a combined total of 13 points. It may sound absurd to everyone who worships that team but they are that close to being 4-4. Think about that for a minute while you ponder them as the 4th ranked team.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
My hope is that at some point they take a long hard look at Alabama, especially the games against Georgia, Missouri and South Carolina. Those three games were won by a combined total of 13 points. It may sound absurd to everyone who worships that team but they are that close to being 4-4. Think about that for a minute while you ponder them as the 4th ranked team.
Alabama might not be the 4th best team in the country, but here's why I think they have earned their place at #4.
How many times has a NCAA D1 FBS team won 4 straight games against ranked opponents? I don't think it's happened and if it has, it's been rare or there was perhaps a bye week. I get that they were not playing 4 of the best teams in the nation, but 4 ranked teams is a meaningful stretch. Given what I have seen week to week in college football, I think that, along with the fact that "who's better?" means they get #4 until they mess it up... which they might do. They have LSU right after Kelly was sent packing and then they have Okey Dokes who match up great against Bama's weaknesses.
@bgr said: but here's why I think they have earned their place at #4
That's a Strength of Schedule argument which might be valid at the end of the season in hindsight but doesn't mean much now. There is a chance that 1-2-3 of those 4 "ranked" teams will be un-ranked in the final Poll. What does your argument say then, "But Alabama beat 4 teams that were ranked when they played them??" I tend to look at their record and agree that they are 7-1 but came quite close in three games to being 4-4.
The problem is that there aren't really very many good teams spread around the country right now. The result of that is simple, somebody needs to be "ranked" but that isn't a very direct statement about how good they might be. It is especially not a strong statement for all the SEC teams who seem capable of two things each and every week, squeaking out a win over an unranked opponent or losing to anybody. That isn't the way it used to be. Of the teams in the Top 12 only Ohio State and Indiana are currently winning in convincing style each and every week. Critics can say "But look at who they're playing" and I won't argue. The point is that they aren't struggling with anyone, they win going away like a team at the top of the Poll should.
When the SEC teams and the others in the Top 12 start to do that I'll sit up and notice.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: @bgr said: but here's why I think they have earned their place at #4
That's a Strength of Schedule argument which might be valid at the end of the season in hindsight but doesn't mean much now. There is a chance that 1-2-3 of those 4 "ranked" teams will be un-ranked in the final Poll. What does your argument say then, "But Alabama beat 4 teams that were ranked when they played them??" I tend to look at their record and agree that they are 7-1 but came quite close in three games to being 4-4.
I'm not a SOS proponent. They beat Georgia, Vandy, Tennessee, and Mossouri. Alabama has the 5th best SOR currently, which is now and not what we think might happen the rest of the way. It's a pretty dynamic system.
The problem is that there aren't really very many good teams spread around the country right now. The result of that is simple, somebody needs to be "ranked" but that isn't a very direct statement about how good they might be. It is especially not a strong statement for all the SEC teams who seem capable of two things each and every week, squeaking out a win over an unranked opponent or losing to anybody. That isn't the way it used to be. Of the teams in the Top 12 only Ohio State and Indiana are currently winning in convincing style each and every week. Critics can say "But look at who they're playing" and I won't argue. The point is that they aren't struggling with anyone, they win going away like a team at the top of the Poll should.
I'm not saying to put Alabama ahead of OSU or Indiana. I'm just talking about Alabama, who I detest for what it's worth...
Would I put Georgia ahead of them? OK. I wouldn't lose sleep with that, but I think Alabama is better and they have a better record... and they beat them.
Would I put BYU ahead of them? I'll assume we're both fine with BYU meandering back out of CFP as things unfold right? We don't need that waste of a game.
Ole Miss? OK. I like Ole Miss and Kiffin, but like they intentionally avoid struggle. I have no idea what that team's ceiling is yet this season. How could anyone?
Oregon? I wouldn't personally. But...
They played Indiana. Note to Illinois - that's how it's done. They also struggled with PSU and their win against Wisconsin wasn't convincing. It wouldn't bug me even if just for the drama.
TT? Now we're talking. if Morton can stay out of the hospital that's an exciting team.
When the SEC teams and the others in the Top 12 start to do that I'll sit up and notice.
If anyone in the SEC deserves to carry the "We done it" flag this season I'll give it to Bama. I'm not saying they won't fold these next 2 weeks - OK is gonna be a test for sure even at home. OSU and Indiana are top 2... then there's a gap and I think there's A&M and Bama and right with them is Georgia and TT and Oregon clinging on at the tail. Ole Miss is scrolling on their phone in the corner.
Iowa is good though. I'm glad they got some credit from the committee.
To understand just how stupid the schedule argument is and how it changes just look at Texas vs. Ohio State.
The game was ballyhooed from the time it was announced until after it was played --- the defending National Champion playing the perceived best team at the start of the season with the marquee QB. The Buckeye's won easily even though the score doesn't really show that.
It became less important as Texas fell in the Poll and Ohio State was questioned. We even had a member here trying to make a case that Ohio State had no notable wins, a guy who loves to talk about the Strength of Schedule. Now that Texas is back up in the Poll..........................crickets!!!!
What was thought to be important over time really wasn't. Now that it should be important again nobody wants to talk about it. What a stupid argument. Strength of Schedule is meaning less while the games are being played but the "experts" actually use it to determine who the best teams are.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
It's also a big mistake to compare the Ohio State team of week #1, with the Ohio State team of now. Especially when their QB is the current heisman front runner.
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume. They are National Champs and they get to be #1 until they are not. There is a chance that they are not the best team in the nation, but Sayin has improved tremendously and I think they will handle Indiana.
Being wrong about teams throughout the season is part of the process... that's why they change the rankings each week right? Injuries... Frauds...
When is that Michigan game btw? Indiana wants to know.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume. They are National Champs and they get to be #1 until they are not. There is a chance that they are not the best team in the nation, but Sayin has improved tremendously and I think they will handle Indiana.
Being wrong about teams throughout the season is part of the process... that's why they change the rankings each week right? Injuries... Frauds...
When is that Michigan game btw? Indiana wants to know.
If Day doesn't beat Michigan this year then I cannot imagine the boosters will be happy
But he could lose to. them again and win a national championship again
I really hope Indiana and Ohio State both remain undefeated though and play in the BIG championship game
If Michigan wins again I'll have a heart attack, but I don't think it will have much of an affect on them in the playoffs. For whatever reason, and I've said this before, the Buckeyes get so whipped up about that game that they play and coach like retards. The teams aren't even close this year but the game probably will be.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Basebal21 said:
Technically 5 conferences with ND. ND gets a full conference vote for any changes in football, I dont really get the ND one when they lost to Miami and have the same record. They clearly dont like the ACC very much
Thats kind of the only real head scratchier other than their TV deal but the rest was solid
The reason ND is ranked higher than Miami, despite Miami winning the head the head, is because the two teams have been headed in the opposite direction. ND has been playing good, while Miami has not.
Miami is going to play their way out of it if Beck keeps playing like he has been lately. That said at this moment Miami and ND have the same record, their resumes are the same, and Miami beat ND. The only difference between the two is that ND has an NBC deal just for them. As long as they have the same record Miami should be one spot ahead of them no matter where you want to rank them.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume. They are National Champs and they get to be #1 until they are not. There is a chance that they are not the best team in the nation, but Sayin has improved tremendously and I think they will handle Indiana.
Being wrong about teams throughout the season is part of the process... that's why they change the rankings each week right? Injuries... Frauds...
When is that Michigan game btw? Indiana wants to know.
If Day doesn't beat Michigan this year then I cannot imagine the boosters will be happy
But he could lose to. them again and win a national championship again
I really hope Indiana and Ohio State both remain undefeated though and play in the BIG championship game
Indiana has a cake walk of a schedule left with PSU, Wisconsin, and Perdue. I dont think you need to worry about them losing
Michigan is OSUs only real game left which will be funny if Day messes it up as usual. Guy is allergic to beating them even when Michigan is really bad like last year
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume. They are National Champs and they get to be #1 until they are not. There is a chance that they are not the best team in the nation, but Sayin has improved tremendously and I think they will handle Indiana.
Being wrong about teams throughout the season is part of the process... that's why they change the rankings each week right? Injuries... Frauds...
When is that Michigan game btw? Indiana wants to know.
If Day doesn't beat Michigan this year then I cannot imagine the boosters will be happy
But he could lose to. them again and win a national championship again
I really hope Indiana and Ohio State both remain undefeated though and play in the BIG championship game
Indiana has a cake walk of a schedule left with PSU, Wisconsin, and Perdue. I dont think you need to worry about them losing
Michigan is OSUs only real game left which will be funny if Day messes it up as usual. Guy is allergic to beating them even when Michigan is really bad like last year
Michigan was far from bad last year. Their defense was solid, and they beat Alabama.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
Probably half of those teams will be bowl eligible. As for Penn State, 4 out of their 5 losses were very close. Two were one point losses, and they were competitive with OSU for a half. You cant expect every team in a conference to be 7-2 or better. Not gonna happen.
Dude, you're starting to post stuff like Basebal21, are you his clone?? He has a habit of posting BS and then denying he ever did or changing his story. Please don't go there!!
The truth of the matter is that the Big 10 doesn't really "suck" any more or less than any of the other major conferences. And let's not try to get cute about it, your underlying message is that the SEC is the best conference. There is scant evidence upon which to base that assertion, but what is available tells us that, no, the SEC is not currently the best conference in NCAA football. They were for a nice stretch, went head-to-head with the ACC briefly but right now the Big 10 seems to have the upper hand.
I hate having to explain things like this to otherwise intelligent people, but here goes.............................The way schedules are structured most of the power 5 teams play about 3 non-conference games and then 9-10 in conference games. Since both teams in a game can't win or lose there will always be one of each. That means half the teams in a conference, as a general rule, will have a record above .500 and half below. In that regard every conference ends up with "much of the XXX sucks this year" and if you look that's what you'll find.
The best evidence for head-to-head games to make an assessment about relative conference strength happens during Bowl Season. The most recent evidence would suggest that the Big 10 is in fact superior to the SEC and to the other Power 5 Conferences.. The only reasonable conclusion to draw from that is "The Big 10 doesn't Suck" but you certainly free to think otherwise.
Just don't be surprised when we call you out on it and laugh at you.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Dude, you're starting to post stuff like Basebal21, are you his clone?? He has a habit of posting BS and then denying he ever did or changing his story. Please don't go there!!
The truth of the matter is that the Big 10 doesn't really "suck" any more or less than any of the other major conferences. And let's not try to get cute about it, your underlying message is that the SEC is the best conference. There is scant evidence upon which to base that assertion, but what is available tells us that, no, the SEC is not currently the best conference in NCAA football. They were for a nice stretch, went head-to-head with the ACC briefly but right now the Big 10 seems to have the upper hand.
I hate having to explain things like this to otherwise intelligent people, but here goes.............................The way schedules are structured most of the power 5 teams play about 3 non-conference games and then 9-10 in conference games. Since both teams in a game can't win or lose there will always be one of each. That means half the teams in a conference, as a general rule, will have a record above .500 and half below. In that regard every conference ends up with "much of the XXX sucks this year" and if you look that's what you'll find.
The best evidence for head-to-head games to make an assessment about relative conference strength happens during Bowl Season. The most recent evidence would suggest that the Big 10 is in fact superior to the SEC and to the other Power 5 Conferences.. The only reasonable conclusion to draw from that is "The Big 10 doesn't Suck" but you certainly free to think otherwise.
Just don't be surprised when we call you out on it and laugh at you.
I'm not often surprised by you or cool. Other than recently I thought he was most likely in his 80s and... I guess he was born in the early 70s. So yeah. I need a new theory there.
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. **It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume. **They are National Champs and they get to be #1 until they are not. There is a chance that they are not the best team in the nation, but Sayin has improved tremendously and I think they will handle Indiana.
The whole sentence is not "The B1G Ten Sucks."
Showing off how good you are at misinterpreting words isn't a super-power. I am not denying what I said, but I am denying that it means what you're saying it does. Since I was the source of the comment, I hold the truth of the matter. If you guys want to re-state it to remove the context and leave it solely as "The B1G sucks" and then proceed to define that "sucks" means you are not Bowl Eligible then I guess the only thing left to say is... Congratulations. You are Best! #1 A-OK. Winner!
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
Probably half of those teams will be bowl eligible. As for Penn State, 4 out of their 5 losses were very close. Two were one point losses, and they were competitive with OSU for a half. You cant expect every team in a conference to be 7-2 or better. Not gonna happen.
OSU will play 2 games against ranked B1G teams this year. Unless you're telling me they might lose to Purdue, UCLA or Rutgers there's nothing to talk about with regard to OSU for a while. If much of the B1G didn't suck this year perhaps they would have had some tough games in the conference this year, but that's not how it worked out.
I'm a Badgers fan so I get to say the B1G sucks when they do. Just like Maywood gets to use the r-word.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
Probably half of those teams will be bowl eligible. As for Penn State, 4 out of their 5 losses were very close. Two were one point losses, and they were competitive with OSU for a half. You cant expect every team in a conference to be 7-2 or better. Not gonna happen.
OSU will play 2 games against ranked B1G teams this year.
Lets wait and see the final rankings at the end of the year. I bet it will be more than 2. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, and Washington could be ranked in the final polls.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
Probably half of those teams will be bowl eligible. As for Penn State, 4 out of their 5 losses were very close. Two were one point losses, and they were competitive with OSU for a half. You cant expect every team in a conference to be 7-2 or better. Not gonna happen.
OSU will play 2 games against ranked B1G teams this year.
Lets wait and see the final rankings at the end of the year. I bet it will be more than 2. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, and Washington could be ranked in the final polls.
I stand corrected. I actually didn't count Indiana there. 3. I don't have faith in Illinois so I'll be surprised if that's the case. Whether it's 2 or 3 or 4, I cannot tell from who OSU's played how good they are. So for all of the strength of record advocacy that's a bit hypocritical. I'm the one who's saying it's right how it is and here's why.
@perkdog said:
And just like that the College Football thread is cooking again 🍳
This thread reminds me of old school CU Sports talk, love it
Maywood came out guns blazin'. Gotta fight fire with fire. You don't compare someone to Basebal21...
@Maywood said:
Dude, you're starting to post stuff like Basebal21, are you his clone?? He has a habit of posting BS and then denying he ever did or changing his story. Please don't go there!!
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
Probably half of those teams will be bowl eligible. As for Penn State, 4 out of their 5 losses were very close. Two were one point losses, and they were competitive with OSU for a half. You cant expect every team in a conference to be 7-2 or better. Not gonna happen.
OSU will play 2 games against ranked B1G teams this year.
Lets wait and see the final rankings at the end of the year. I bet it will be more than 2. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, and Washington could be ranked in the final polls.
I stand corrected. I actually didn't count Indiana there. 3. I don't have faith in Illinois so I'll be surprised if that's the case. Whether it's 2 or 3 or 4, I cannot tell from who OSU's played how good they are.
@bgr said:
I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume.
The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
Probably half of those teams will be bowl eligible. As for Penn State, 4 out of their 5 losses were very close. Two were one point losses, and they were competitive with OSU for a half. You cant expect every team in a conference to be 7-2 or better. Not gonna happen.
OSU will play 2 games against ranked B1G teams this year.
Lets wait and see the final rankings at the end of the year. I bet it will be more than 2. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, and Washington could be ranked in the final polls.
I stand corrected. I actually didn't count Indiana there. 3. I don't have faith in Illinois so I'll be surprised if that's the case. Whether it's 2 or 3 or 4, I cannot tell from who OSU's played how good they are.
How can you tell how good the sec teams are?
How can anyone? Why does that matter? Sayin' this about OSU doesn't mean the opposite is true for all SEC teams.
@coolstanley said: How can you tell how good the sec teams are?
Why, by using the Strength of Schedule metric!!! But if you actually compare the two conferences there's not much difference until they play each other in Bowl Games and the Playoff. By my assessment, each conference has 2-3 good teams, most of the conference as average and the remainder as the "doormat" for lack of better term. To state a conference "sucks" only shows bias but anyone who follows the sport should be used to that. Everyone crows until their favorite teams/conference gets shown the door at season's end. This year the odds favor the Big 10, the SEC and the Big 12 for having bragging rights.
And if you don't want to be compared unfavorably then it's best not to mimic the style of someone else.
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CFP rankings. Iowa not ranked in the other two major polls notches in the top 20. The rankings are dominated by the SEC and BIG ten accounting for 16 out of the 25 spots.
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@coolstanley said: the SEC and BIG ten accounting for 16 out of the 25 spots.
And only 4 Conferences represented. Both of those facts should be concerning to the NCAA and he sport. A quick analysis shows that with only 5 spots actually left some of the teams will be at home like Alabama was last season. With all the SEC showing that they are capable of losing every week to any other team I would think the pressure is really on. A loss from here on is a death blow.
Big games this weekend:
BYU vs. Texas Tech --- at 7 and 8 this is a Conference Championship preview.
Texas A&M vs. Missouri --- does Texas A&M leave the Top 10 or does Missouri leave the Top 25??
Probably will make it:
SEC --- Texas A&M
Big 10 --- Ohio State
Big 12 --- BYU
ACC --- Virginia
Power 5/Memphis
Indiana
Alabama
On the "bubble":
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas Tech
Oregon Ducks
Notre Dame
Most likely out:
Texas
Oklahoma
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
"And right now, we’re being told that a group that features six sitting athletic directors who have time-consuming day jobs — and make up exactly half of the selection committee — should be trusted without question. I take issue with that."
Who exactly is on the Committee??
Chris Ault – former Nevada head coach and athletic director
Troy Dannen – current athletic director at Nebraska
Mark Dantonio – former head coach at Cincinnati and Michigan State
Jeff Long – former athletic director at Kansas, Arkansas, Pittsburgh and Eastern Kentucky
Ivan Maisel – longtime sportswriter and Hall of Fame member of the Football Writers Association of America
Chris Massaro – current athletic director at Middle Tennessee State
Mack Rhoades – current athletic director at Baylor
Mike Riley – former head coach at Oregon State and Nebraska
David Sayler – current athletic director at Miami (Ohio)
Wesley Walls – former Ole Miss tight end enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame
Carla Williams – current athletic director at Virginia
Hunter Yurachek – current athletic director at Arkansas
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Oregon is favored by 6.5 at Iowa.
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Technically 5 conferences with ND. ND gets a full conference vote for any changes in football, I dont really get the ND one when they lost to Miami and have the same record. They clearly dont like the ACC very much
Thats kind of the only real head scratchier other than their TV deal but the rest was solid
Fire AJ Preller
The reason ND is ranked higher than Miami, despite Miami winning the head the head, is because the two teams have been headed in the opposite direction. ND has been playing good, while Miami has not.
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@coolstanly said: The reason ND is ranked higher than Miami
I can't express what I'm thinking clearly right now, but the easiest explanation is that Notre Dame is a better team NOW even though Miami(Fla) was a better team two months ago. This is in part why Strength of Schedule is such a distortion and the only thing that really matter is Strength of Record when the final Poll is considered by that committee. My hope is that at some point they take a long hard look at Alabama, especially the games against Georgia, Missouri and South Carolina. Those three games were won by a combined total of 13 points. It may sound absurd to everyone who worships that team but they are that close to being 4-4. Think about that for a minute while you ponder them as the 4th ranked team.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
But Notre Dame is only there because of why they’re there. They are a top 25 team but not more.
Alabama might not be the 4th best team in the country, but here's why I think they have earned their place at #4.
How many times has a NCAA D1 FBS team won 4 straight games against ranked opponents? I don't think it's happened and if it has, it's been rare or there was perhaps a bye week. I get that they were not playing 4 of the best teams in the nation, but 4 ranked teams is a meaningful stretch. Given what I have seen week to week in college football, I think that, along with the fact that "who's better?" means they get #4 until they mess it up... which they might do. They have LSU right after Kelly was sent packing and then they have Okey Dokes who match up great against Bama's weaknesses.
@bgr said: but here's why I think they have earned their place at #4
That's a Strength of Schedule argument which might be valid at the end of the season in hindsight but doesn't mean much now. There is a chance that 1-2-3 of those 4 "ranked" teams will be un-ranked in the final Poll. What does your argument say then, "But Alabama beat 4 teams that were ranked when they played them??" I tend to look at their record and agree that they are 7-1 but came quite close in three games to being 4-4.
The problem is that there aren't really very many good teams spread around the country right now. The result of that is simple, somebody needs to be "ranked" but that isn't a very direct statement about how good they might be. It is especially not a strong statement for all the SEC teams who seem capable of two things each and every week, squeaking out a win over an unranked opponent or losing to anybody. That isn't the way it used to be. Of the teams in the Top 12 only Ohio State and Indiana are currently winning in convincing style each and every week. Critics can say "But look at who they're playing" and I won't argue. The point is that they aren't struggling with anyone, they win going away like a team at the top of the Poll should.
When the SEC teams and the others in the Top 12 start to do that I'll sit up and notice.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I'm not a SOS proponent. They beat Georgia, Vandy, Tennessee, and Mossouri. Alabama has the 5th best SOR currently, which is now and not what we think might happen the rest of the way. It's a pretty dynamic system.
I'm not saying to put Alabama ahead of OSU or Indiana. I'm just talking about Alabama, who I detest for what it's worth...
Would I put Georgia ahead of them? OK. I wouldn't lose sleep with that, but I think Alabama is better and they have a better record... and they beat them.
Would I put BYU ahead of them? I'll assume we're both fine with BYU meandering back out of CFP as things unfold right? We don't need that waste of a game.
Ole Miss? OK. I like Ole Miss and Kiffin, but like they intentionally avoid struggle. I have no idea what that team's ceiling is yet this season. How could anyone?
Oregon? I wouldn't personally. But...
They played Indiana. Note to Illinois - that's how it's done. They also struggled with PSU and their win against Wisconsin wasn't convincing. It wouldn't bug me even if just for the drama.
TT? Now we're talking. if Morton can stay out of the hospital that's an exciting team.
If anyone in the SEC deserves to carry the "We done it" flag this season I'll give it to Bama. I'm not saying they won't fold these next 2 weeks - OK is gonna be a test for sure even at home. OSU and Indiana are top 2... then there's a gap and I think there's A&M and Bama and right with them is Georgia and TT and Oregon clinging on at the tail. Ole Miss is scrolling on their phone in the corner.
Iowa is good though. I'm glad they got some credit from the committee.
To understand just how stupid the schedule argument is and how it changes just look at Texas vs. Ohio State.
The game was ballyhooed from the time it was announced until after it was played --- the defending National Champion playing the perceived best team at the start of the season with the marquee QB. The Buckeye's won easily even though the score doesn't really show that.
It became less important as Texas fell in the Poll and Ohio State was questioned. We even had a member here trying to make a case that Ohio State had no notable wins, a guy who loves to talk about the Strength of Schedule. Now that Texas is back up in the Poll..........................crickets!!!!
What was thought to be important over time really wasn't. Now that it should be important again nobody wants to talk about it. What a stupid argument. Strength of Schedule is meaning less while the games are being played but the "experts" actually use it to determine who the best teams are.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
It's also a big mistake to compare the Ohio State team of week #1, with the Ohio State team of now. Especially when their QB is the current heisman front runner.
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I think OSU has done what they needed to do. It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year so they had little opportunity to fill out their resume. They are National Champs and they get to be #1 until they are not. There is a chance that they are not the best team in the nation, but Sayin has improved tremendously and I think they will handle Indiana.
Being wrong about teams throughout the season is part of the process... that's why they change the rankings each week right? Injuries... Frauds...
When is that Michigan game btw? Indiana wants to know.
If Day doesn't beat Michigan this year then I cannot imagine the boosters will be happy
But he could lose to. them again and win a national championship again
I really hope Indiana and Ohio State both remain undefeated though and play in the BIG championship game
If Michigan wins again I'll have a heart attack, but I don't think it will have much of an affect on them in the playoffs. For whatever reason, and I've said this before, the Buckeyes get so whipped up about that game that they play and coach like retards. The teams aren't even close this year but the game probably will be.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Miami is going to play their way out of it if Beck keeps playing like he has been lately. That said at this moment Miami and ND have the same record, their resumes are the same, and Miami beat ND. The only difference between the two is that ND has an NBC deal just for them. As long as they have the same record Miami should be one spot ahead of them no matter where you want to rank them.
Fire AJ Preller
Indiana has a cake walk of a schedule left with PSU, Wisconsin, and Perdue. I dont think you need to worry about them losing
Michigan is OSUs only real game left which will be funny if Day messes it up as usual. Guy is allergic to beating them even when Michigan is really bad like last year
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Michigan was far from bad last year. Their defense was solid, and they beat Alabama.
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The BIG Ten dont suck. I think they are the best conference and have proved it on the field the last few years. Other than MSU, Wisky, and Purdue, the league is stacked with solid teams. Every year they have some teams with losing records. But to have seven teams ranked and say they suck is just not right.
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I didn’t say that the B1G sucks. You might be too sensitive about college football.
''much of the BIG TEN sucks''
Your words.
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Yeah. Much of it. Sub par this season.
State. Wisconsin. Purdue. Rutgers. Northwestern. Maryland, Jerry Sandusky School of Love, Nebraska, UCLA. My point was that OSU has not had ample opportunities to show off against ranked opponents because the B1G is having a down year. You got eyes.
Probably half of those teams will be bowl eligible. As for Penn State, 4 out of their 5 losses were very close. Two were one point losses, and they were competitive with OSU for a half. You cant expect every team in a conference to be 7-2 or better. Not gonna happen.
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@bgr said: It's too bad much of the B1G sucks this year
@bgr said: I didn’t say that the B1G sucks
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Dude, you're starting to post stuff like Basebal21, are you his clone?? He has a habit of posting BS and then denying he ever did or changing his story. Please don't go there!!
The truth of the matter is that the Big 10 doesn't really "suck" any more or less than any of the other major conferences. And let's not try to get cute about it, your underlying message is that the SEC is the best conference. There is scant evidence upon which to base that assertion, but what is available tells us that, no, the SEC is not currently the best conference in NCAA football. They were for a nice stretch, went head-to-head with the ACC briefly but right now the Big 10 seems to have the upper hand.
I hate having to explain things like this to otherwise intelligent people, but here goes.............................The way schedules are structured most of the power 5 teams play about 3 non-conference games and then 9-10 in conference games. Since both teams in a game can't win or lose there will always be one of each. That means half the teams in a conference, as a general rule, will have a record above .500 and half below. In that regard every conference ends up with "much of the XXX sucks this year" and if you look that's what you'll find.
The best evidence for head-to-head games to make an assessment about relative conference strength happens during Bowl Season. The most recent evidence would suggest that the Big 10 is in fact superior to the SEC and to the other Power 5 Conferences.. The only reasonable conclusion to draw from that is "The Big 10 doesn't Suck" but you certainly free to think otherwise.
Just don't be surprised when we call you out on it and laugh at you.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
All those facts above plus the SEC only plays 8 in conference games. Thats how Alabama can schedule a Mercer every year.
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I'm not often surprised by you or cool. Other than recently I thought he was most likely in his 80s and... I guess he was born in the early 70s. So yeah. I need a new theory there.
The whole sentence is not "The B1G Ten Sucks."
Showing off how good you are at misinterpreting words isn't a super-power. I am not denying what I said, but I am denying that it means what you're saying it does. Since I was the source of the comment, I hold the truth of the matter. If you guys want to re-state it to remove the context and leave it solely as "The B1G sucks" and then proceed to define that "sucks" means you are not Bowl Eligible then I guess the only thing left to say is... Congratulations. You are Best! #1 A-OK. Winner!
Those are not the same statement. You understand that I hope and you're just messing with me.
About all this BIG TEN bashing...........Didn't we go through this last year?
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OSU will play 2 games against ranked B1G teams this year. Unless you're telling me they might lose to Purdue, UCLA or Rutgers there's nothing to talk about with regard to OSU for a while. If much of the B1G didn't suck this year perhaps they would have had some tough games in the conference this year, but that's not how it worked out.
I'm a Badgers fan so I get to say the B1G sucks when they do. Just like Maywood gets to use the r-word.
Notable games Saturday
BYU @ Texas Tech
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Ohio State @ Purdue
The Citadel @ Ole Miss( Joking
Texas a@m @ Missouri
Oregon @ Iowa
Navy @ Notre Dame
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Lets wait and see the final rankings at the end of the year. I bet it will be more than 2. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, and Washington could be ranked in the final polls.
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And just like that the College Football thread is cooking again 🍳
This thread reminds me of old school CU Sports talk, love it
I stand corrected. I actually didn't count Indiana there. 3. I don't have faith in Illinois so I'll be surprised if that's the case. Whether it's 2 or 3 or 4, I cannot tell from who OSU's played how good they are. So for all of the strength of record advocacy that's a bit hypocritical. I'm the one who's saying it's right how it is and here's why.
Maywood came out guns blazin'. Gotta fight fire with fire. You don't compare someone to Basebal21...
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How can you tell how good the sec teams are?
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How can anyone? Why does that matter? Sayin' this about OSU doesn't mean the opposite is true for all SEC teams.
@coolstanley said: How can you tell how good the sec teams are?
Why, by using the Strength of Schedule metric!!! But if you actually compare the two conferences there's not much difference until they play each other in Bowl Games and the Playoff. By my assessment, each conference has 2-3 good teams, most of the conference as average and the remainder as the "doormat" for lack of better term. To state a conference "sucks" only shows bias but anyone who follows the sport should be used to that. Everyone crows until their favorite teams/conference gets shown the door at season's end. This year the odds favor the Big 10, the SEC and the Big 12 for having bragging rights.
And if you don't want to be compared unfavorably then it's best not to mimic the style of someone else.
Texas A&M 8 0
Alabama 7 1
Ole Miss 8 1
Georgia 7 1
Texas 7 2
Vanderbilt 7 2
Oklahoma 7 2
Missouri 6 2
Tennessee 6 3
LSU 5 3
Florida 3 5
Mississippi St. 5 4
Auburn 4 5
Kentucky 3 5
South Carolina 3 6
Arkansas 2 7
Indiana 9 0
Ohio St. 8 0
Michigan 7 2
Oregon 7 1
So Cal 6 2
Iowa 6 2
Minn 6 3
Wash 6 2
Nor. West. 5 3
UCLA 3 5
Illinois 6 3
Nebraska 6 3
Maryland 4 4
Rutgers 4 5
Penn St. 3 5
Michigan St. 3 6
Wisconsin 2 6
Purdue 2 7
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
i see what you did there
I like @Basebal21
In fact I don't dislike any of you, I couldn't care less if I'm "Liked" or not because this place has regulars now and it makes it a lot more fun with regular traffic and all the noise
CU Sports talk is actually fun again
there are times when basebal impels me to put my head in between two bowling balls and bang them together, but if we ever bellied up to a bar together his adult beverages would be on me
he strikes me as a moscow mule kinda guy
This got interesting today lol
Im a simple man a nice bourbon or even a cheap beer would always have a drink talking sports with someone.
Ive been glued to the Tulane Memphis game that has big implications for the potential G5 playoff team.
Fire AJ Preller