I thought Oklahoma had a real good chance at beating Ole Miss, but it looks like if they don't figure something out in a hurry that they may be eliminated from playoff consideration. This will put them at 6-2 with a schedule that gives them 1-2-3 more losses. Starting to look like the loss to Texas wasn't a hiccup, it was the truth about the Sooners.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Mateer hasnt been the same since he broke his throwing hand. Ole Miss is for real but Kiffin tried his best to lose that game putting in Simmons in weird spots. I get he was the starting QB but hes been hurt most of the year and asking him to come in for a play here and there rarely works
OKU probably has 2 more losses left but if they win out theyll be in the playoffs and could maybe even afford one more loss but that schedule is brutal what they have left
I don't know about the "for real" part. Ole Miss is good, but they're always finding ways to make it more interesting than it should be. No discipline in that program.
if i hear one more person talk about how elite OU's defense is, there is a better than average chance that they'll get slapped. i've watched them twice in three weeks and they are pedestrian at best. at worst, they straight up suck when they play a team worth a damn. Arch.......you know, that Texas QB who stinks to high heaven........played one of his best games of the season against them, then today Lane Kiffin hung 34 & 431 on them at home. seriously, enough with that narrative already. stifling a team like the Oklahoma St School of Retardation or the South Carolina Cocks doesn't propel you into rarefied air.
next four weeks for them are Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri and LSU. at least two of those teams are going to roll them up. don't do it, Skip Bayless. don't talk about how great your beloved school is on defense. i'll come find you dude. 👋
Ole Miss is an elite offense. Defense is their question mark even tough they have some elite guys on the line. OUs biggest problem is just that Mateer hasnt been the same since breaking his throwing hand.
Archie derailed the Longhorns season for sure but hes not as bad as hes made out to be. Hes average to below average but no where near the Heisman nonsense from his last name. Mateer was the reason why OU lost to Texas with him throwing 3 picks making bad decisions in his first game back not the defense. The OU defense has shut every one down all year until today
Bama won against the original USC and now we can stop pretending Illinois is a playoff level team once again getting blown out by the 3rd best team theyve played
@Basebal21 said:
Bama won against the original USC and now we can stop pretending Illinois is a playoff level team once again getting blown out by the 3rd best team theyve played
Alabama didn't look like a playoff team either. Almost getting beat by a 3-5 team. They already have one bad loss. They should drop in the rankings.
At least Washington was favored against Illinois, but nice try.
Navy likely ends up ranked but still have no hope against ND. They stiill have South FL and Memphis and it did get more interesting with the G5 team with Memphis winning. They control there own destiny now
I try to stay open-minded about the SEC by telling myself there are some good teams there but they keep performing like average teams. And don't start with the Strength of Schedule crap,
Suddenly Texas A&M vs. LSU is a pretty big game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
--- Miami struggling with Stanford, tied at the half.
--- Oregon struggling with......................Wisconsin!!! Up 7-0 at the half.
--- Texas A&M looks like they're in for a fight with LSU.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Waiting for basebal guys excuses for Bama almost getting beat by a 3-5 team? If that were Ohio State or Indiana, he would be saying they're not playoff teams.
@Basebal21 said:
Strength of schedule is literally the definition of good teams lol
Nope. Not when teams are overranked. It only matters when the committee picks the playoff teams. SOS is only one of many stats they look at.
Since youre a B!G fan OSU and Indiana are the two that deserve it. Ive typed that before. And again we can stop pretending that Illinois has any claim.
Oregon just struggled against the worst power 4 team in the country at home.
@Basebal21 said:
Strength of schedule is literally the definition of good teams lol
Nope. Not when teams are overranked. It only matters when the committee picks the playoff teams. SOS is only one of many stats they look at.
Since youre a B!G fan OSU and Indiana are the two that deserve it. Ive typed that before. And again we can stop pretending that Illinois has any claim.
Oregon just struggled against the worst power 4 team in the country at home.
Oregon won by two td's and never trailed in the game. Alabama was down by 8 with 5 minutes to play. Apples and Oranges. Bama almost lost.
While Illinois is out of the playoff hunt, several 6-2 BIG teams are still in the hunt, including Washington.
@Basebal21 said:
Strength of schedule is literally the definition of good teams lol
Nope. Not when teams are overranked. It only matters when the committee picks the playoff teams. SOS is only one of many stats they look at.
Since youre a B!G fan OSU and Indiana are the two that deserve it. Ive typed that before. And again we can stop pretending that Illinois has any claim.
Oregon just struggled against the worst power 4 team in the country at home.
Oregon won by two td's and never trailed in the game. Alabama was down by 8 with 5 minutes to play. Apples and Oranges. Bama almost lost.
While Illinois is out of the playoff hunt, several 6-2 BIG teams are still in the hunt, including Washington.
Washington isnt in the mix. OSU, Illinois, and Oregon are the only B!G teams in the mix. Michigan maybe if they can beat OSU again and win out and get a lot of help. PSU is out, Socal is out. Iowa would have to win the conference like SoCal
@coolstanley said:
Show me an example when a team with a worse record got in over a team with a better record.
Texas and Alabama both got in in 2023 at 12-1 over Florida State at 13-0.
That's an isolated example. The only reason why FSU got snubbed was because their quarterback went out for the season with injury. Otherwise, they would've been in. Also, 1 loss teams are going to be ranked high compared to 3 loss teams.
@coolstanley said:
Show me an example when a team with a worse record got in over a team with a better record.
Texas and Alabama both got in in 2023 at 12-1 over Florida State at 13-0.
That's an isolated example. The only reason why FSU got snubbed was because their quarterback went out for the season with injury. Otherwise, they would've been in. Also, 1 loss teams are going to be ranked high compared to 3 loss teams.
@Basebal21 said:
Strength of schedule is literally the definition of good teams lol
Nope. Not when teams are overranked. It only matters when the committee picks the playoff teams. SOS is only one of many stats they look at.
Since youre a B!G fan OSU and Indiana are the two that deserve it. Ive typed that before. And again we can stop pretending that Illinois has any claim.
Oregon just struggled against the worst power 4 team in the country at home.
Oregon won by two td's and never trailed in the game. Alabama was down by 8 with 5 minutes to play. Apples and Oranges. Bama almost lost.
They were also playing in wind and rain and their quarterback got hurt. Never a bad day when you win by 14.
I was following the games online and it seemed that every Top 10 team was struggling at the half, but they all got straight in the 2nd half and won rather easily. The lone exception is Alabama who was saved by some late game heroics, two TD's in the final minutes.
What started out looking like 2-3 losses in the Top 10 ended with every team winning, first time that's happened in quite a while. I don't see the current rankings changing at all.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Basebal21 said:
Strength of schedule is literally the definition of good teams lol
Nope. Not when teams are overranked. It only matters when the committee picks the playoff teams. SOS is only one of many stats they look at.
Since youre a B!G fan OSU and Indiana are the two that deserve it. Ive typed that before. And again we can stop pretending that Illinois has any claim.
Oregon just struggled against the worst power 4 team in the country at home.
Oregon won by two td's and never trailed in the game. Alabama was down by 8 with 5 minutes to play. Apples and Oranges. Bama almost lost.
While Illinois is out of the playoff hunt, several 6-2 BIG teams are still in the hunt, including Washington.
Washington isnt in the mix. OSU, Illinois, and Oregon are the only B!G teams in the mix. Michigan maybe if they can beat OSU again and win out and get a lot of help. PSU is out, Socal is out. Iowa would have to win the conference like SoCal
You have no clue what you're talking about. Any power 4 team who has 2 losses are still in the playoff hunt. Washington plays Oregon at home, so they have a good shot at going 10-2. No one knows where the committee is going to rank all the teams after the conference title games.
@Basebal21 said:
Strength of schedule is literally the definition of good teams lol
Nope. Not when teams are overranked. It only matters when the committee picks the playoff teams. SOS is only one of many stats they look at.
Since youre a B!G fan OSU and Indiana are the two that deserve it. Ive typed that before. And again we can stop pretending that Illinois has any claim.
Oregon just struggled against the worst power 4 team in the country at home.
Oregon won by two td's and never trailed in the game. Alabama was down by 8 with 5 minutes to play. Apples and Oranges. Bama almost lost.
While Illinois is out of the playoff hunt, several 6-2 BIG teams are still in the hunt, including Washington.
Washington isnt in the mix. OSU, Illinois, and Oregon are the only B!G teams in the mix. Michigan maybe if they can beat OSU again and win out and get a lot of help. PSU is out, Socal is out. Iowa would have to win the conference like SoCal
You have no clue what you're talking about. Any power 4 team who has 2 losses are still in the playoff hunt. Washington plays Oregon at home, so they have a good shot at going 10-2. No one knows where the committee is going to rank all the teams after the conference title games.
I do have a very good idea what Im talking about and 10-2 with no good wins is going to have serious problems. Theres only 6 open spots open. Theres 5 guaranteed ones and ND is 100 percent in if they win out which they should. That leaves 6 and youre going to be talking about teams with multiple ranked wins and ranked opponents vs teams that dont
In terms of the AAC champion Tulane and Navy would be the game if it happened today. Theyre both undefeated in conference play and the only hard game Tulane has left is Memphis. Navy has a gauntlet coming up for what they are and likely will be catching multiple losses
Ironically with Archie hurt, which I never like seeing players get hurt, they probably are better now. You also arent going to fall out of the rankings with a win
Texas ---
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
What exactly gives this Texas team a reason to be ranked besides being from the SEC??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Texas ---
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
What exactly gives this Texas team a reason to be ranked besides being from the SEC??
Ohio State 14. Texas 7. at OSU
Either OSU is overrated or Texas is a very good team that has had an under performing QB. Which one is it?
@Maywood said:
Texas ---
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
What exactly gives this Texas team a reason to be ranked besides being from the SEC??
The voters dont watch most of the games, and all the southern voters need to keep a team like Texas ranked, so people like basebal guy can say sec teams have more wins against ranked opponents. However the committee will keep track of the good wins and the bad losses. For example Alabama has a bad non-conference loss against a 3-4 team.
@Maywood said:
Texas ---
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
What exactly gives this Texas team a reason to be ranked besides being from the SEC??
Ohio State 14. Texas 7. at OSU
Either OSU is overrated or Texas is a very good team that has had an under performing QB. Which one is it?
Not sure why Michigan is ranked ahead of USC as USC destroyed michigan. Iowa still not getting any love as they have a good 5 point loss against Indiana.
LOL I guess they didnt like that 24 point loss yesterday.
He was a terrible hire that never fit the program that should have been fired last year. Ole Miss needs to open up the check book now if they want to keep Kiffin
Either OSU is overrated or Texas is a very good team that has had an under performing QB. Which one is it??
It is neither. As I said pages ago in this thread, Strength of Schedule is really a meaningless and flawed way to assess teams. A much better way is Strength of Record, especially when viewed post season and the CFP final rankings are being made. It is also a good measure of Ohio State and Texas at this point.
Ohio State is 7-0, having allowed only 41 points scored against them. They are what there record says they are, ranked 1st by a wide margin. That mat change but right now it seems accurate.
Texas on the other hand, doesn't quite have the same resume as they sit at 6-2:
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
As a dedicated SEC fan you can make your own judgement. What will soon follow is Texas being discarded like a bad habit in a similar fashion as LSU. Don't be surprised if Tennessee and Oklahoma join them before the end of the season. Strength of Schedule is keeping them in play, Strength of record will show the truth and doom them.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@galaxy27 said:
i wonder when the Deion experiment is going to end
the novelty has completely worn off
Colorado is 3-5, they lost 53-7 last night and honestly the outcome could have been far worse (Utah was up 43-0 at half and let off the gas)
I saw this morning that buffs are calling for his job now. Maybe it was already happening for a while.
Colorado was terrible before Deion and the scheme does make some sense to me.
Insert a flamboyant coach.
Spend in the portal.
Be relevant.
The program has taken a step back, but it's still a long way from 1-11 a few years back. I don't want anyone to think I'm pining for his job. I really don't care. I don't dislike Deion and I do think he is a good fit for college football head coach. He's an absolute caricature - isn't that the mold?
On the other hand. His health is - I completely agree with bb21 on that one.... his health is going to bring this to an end one way or another. I think Colorado could do worse and right now his showtime noise is all that is bringing attention to Colorado football.
Some Computer Rankings for discussion, I pretty much picked the first 4 that came up in my search. Apparently all that the various Computers and their rating criteria can agree on is Ohio State and Indiana at the top. They also tend to view Alabama and Oregon as belonging in the top 5. More importantly, all 4 Computers tend to view these 10 teams in one order or another as being the best this season.
My biggest disagreement is with the inclusion of Texas and USC. The AP voters have those teams at 20 and 23 respectively and I think even that is too high. I also see Miami(Fla) as questionable but figure they'll sneak into the CFP Top 12.
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Indiana Hoosiers Big Ten
Oregon Ducks Big Ten
Alabama Crimson Tide SEC
Notre Dame Fighting Irish FBS Indep.
Georgia Bulldogs SEC
Texas Longhorns SEC
Texas A&M Aggies SEC
USC Trojans Big Ten
Miami Hurricanes ACC
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Oregon
Notre Dame
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Alabama
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Oregon
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@Maywood said: Either OSU is overrated or Texas is a very good team that has had an under performing QB. Which one is it??
It is neither. As I said pages ago in this thread, Strength of Schedule is really a meaningless and flawed way to assess teams. A much better way is Strength of Record, especially when viewed post season and the CFP final rankings are being made. It is also a good measure of Ohio State and Texas at this point.
Ohio State is 7-0, having allowed only 41 points scored against them. They are what there record says they are, ranked 1st by a wide margin. That mat change but right now it seems accurate.
Texas on the other hand, doesn't quite have the same resume as they sit at 6-2:
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
As a dedicated SEC fan you can make your own judgement. What will soon follow is Texas being discarded like a bad habit in a similar fashion as LSU. Don't be surprised if Tennessee and Oklahoma join them before the end of the season. Strength of Schedule is keeping them in play, Strength of record will show the truth and doom them.
Its literally one or the other. Either Texas is terrible and Indiana or A&M should be the number one team since OSU struggled a ton against Texas at home or Texas is a very good team that has had a QB problem almost every game.
Trying to down play strength of schedule is just admitting that you know the B!G for years now has been a 3 or 4 conference team Other than head to head matchups SOS is by far the strongest indicator of what teams actually have the talent and are good and what teams are benefiting from their schecdule
Im a Navy fan but for the millionth time Im objective. Once again not sure how to make it anymore clear no one is happier when an SEC team loses than other SEC fans. They all hate each other
Trying to down play strength of schedule is just admitting that you know the B!G for years now has been a 3 or 4 conference team Other than head to head matchups SOS is by far the strongest indicator of what teams actually have the talent and are good and what teams are benefiting from their schecdule
Maywood is correct SOR is more important than SOS. One reason SOS isnt very accurate is because it doesnt really show how well teams perform against non conference power 4 opponents, as most games are conference games. Last year the SEC teams had high SOS, but did not do well against the BIG TEN teams and the playoffs.
Two reasons why the Ohio State/Texas game was low scoring. One- Julian Sayin's first start(He has since put up monster numbers as the #2 rated QB in the country) Two - Texas defense is legit(Ranked in the top 20). Ohio State defense is ranked #1. Iowa #2.
The main reason Strength of Schedule is irrelevant is because it changes every week.
It is hard for me to understand why Iowa isn't ranked, my best hunch is partly the stubborn SEC bias which clogs up the Top 25. That will be answered when they play Oregon.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The beauty and the value of SOS is that it doesnt reward you for running up the score on a clearly inferior team. Most of the best teams close down their playbooks and end up putting backups in for a lost of the game against those high school level teams theyre paying to lose. Its not worth the risk of getting guys hurt to run up the score
Is Sayin having his first start matters against Texas than it would also matter that Georgia lost their QB and the best punter in the country before their playoff game. Texas won 2 playoff games, and Tennessee just turned into cowards and stopped blitzing
Bowl games dont matter there were so many opt outs
I think it's just as simple as; he doesn't understand how SOR is calculated. It's SOS with hindsight and why isn't that better than before the games are played?
@Maywood said:
The main reason Strength of Schedule is irrelevant is because it changes every week.
It is hard for me to understand why Iowa isn't ranked, my best hunch is partly the stubborn SEC bias which clogs up the Top 25. That will be answered when they play Oregon.
Iowa came close to beating Indiana. They should give Oregon a good game. You're right, they're not ranked because they dont have SEC next to their name, thus reason why SOS is way overrated.
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Kiffin is seriously coaching them to a loss constantly putting in Simmons cold at the goal line and hes been awful
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I thought Oklahoma had a real good chance at beating Ole Miss, but it looks like if they don't figure something out in a hurry that they may be eliminated from playoff consideration. This will put them at 6-2 with a schedule that gives them 1-2-3 more losses. Starting to look like the loss to Texas wasn't a hiccup, it was the truth about the Sooners.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Mateer hasnt been the same since he broke his throwing hand. Ole Miss is for real but Kiffin tried his best to lose that game putting in Simmons in weird spots. I get he was the starting QB but hes been hurt most of the year and asking him to come in for a play here and there rarely works
OKU probably has 2 more losses left but if they win out theyll be in the playoffs and could maybe even afford one more loss but that schedule is brutal what they have left
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I don't know about the "for real" part. Ole Miss is good, but they're always finding ways to make it more interesting than it should be. No discipline in that program.
if i hear one more person talk about how elite OU's defense is, there is a better than average chance that they'll get slapped. i've watched them twice in three weeks and they are pedestrian at best. at worst, they straight up suck when they play a team worth a damn. Arch.......you know, that Texas QB who stinks to high heaven........played one of his best games of the season against them, then today Lane Kiffin hung 34 & 431 on them at home. seriously, enough with that narrative already. stifling a team like the Oklahoma St School of Retardation or the South Carolina Cocks doesn't propel you into rarefied air.
next four weeks for them are Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri and LSU. at least two of those teams are going to roll them up. don't do it, Skip Bayless. don't talk about how great your beloved school is on defense. i'll come find you dude. 👋
Georgia Tech sure waited till they got rolling, but when they did they looked OK.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Ole Miss is an elite offense. Defense is their question mark even tough they have some elite guys on the line. OUs biggest problem is just that Mateer hasnt been the same since breaking his throwing hand.
Archie derailed the Longhorns season for sure but hes not as bad as hes made out to be. Hes average to below average but no where near the Heisman nonsense from his last name. Mateer was the reason why OU lost to Texas with him throwing 3 picks making bad decisions in his first game back not the defense. The OU defense has shut every one down all year until today
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No chance the Sooners get in the playoffs. Not the same team since Mateer got injured.
Upset alert Alabama, once again struggling against a bad team down 15-14 end of 3rd quarter.
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Bama almost a two touchdown favorite is trailing 22-14 4th quarter.
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Bama won against the original USC and now we can stop pretending Illinois is a playoff level team once again getting blown out by the 3rd best team theyve played
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Alabama didn't look like a playoff team either. Almost getting beat by a 3-5 team. They already have one bad loss. They should drop in the rankings.
At least Washington was favored against Illinois, but nice try.
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Navy likely ends up ranked but still have no hope against ND. They stiill have South FL and Memphis and it did get more interesting with the G5 team with Memphis winning. They control there own destiny now
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I try to stay open-minded about the SEC by telling myself there are some good teams there but they keep performing like average teams. And don't start with the Strength of Schedule crap,
Suddenly Texas A&M vs. LSU is a pretty big game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Strength of schedule is literally the definition of good teams lol
Anyone can have a good record and look amazing with a weak schedule
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--- Miami struggling with Stanford, tied at the half.
--- Oregon struggling with......................Wisconsin!!! Up 7-0 at the half.
--- Texas A&M looks like they're in for a fight with LSU.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Nope. Not when teams are overranked. It only matters when the committee picks the playoff teams. SOS is only one of many stats they look at.
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Waiting for basebal guys excuses for Bama almost getting beat by a 3-5 team? If that were Ohio State or Indiana, he would be saying they're not playoff teams.
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Since youre a B!G fan OSU and Indiana are the two that deserve it. Ive typed that before. And again we can stop pretending that Illinois has any claim.
Oregon just struggled against the worst power 4 team in the country at home.
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Oregon won by two td's and never trailed in the game. Alabama was down by 8 with 5 minutes to play. Apples and Oranges. Bama almost lost.
While Illinois is out of the playoff hunt, several 6-2 BIG teams are still in the hunt, including Washington.
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Washington isnt in the mix. OSU, Illinois, and Oregon are the only B!G teams in the mix. Michigan maybe if they can beat OSU again and win out and get a lot of help. PSU is out, Socal is out. Iowa would have to win the conference like SoCal
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Your post didn't specify power 4.
They were also playing in wind and rain and their quarterback got hurt. Never a bad day when you win by 14.
I was following the games online and it seemed that every Top 10 team was struggling at the half, but they all got straight in the 2nd half and won rather easily. The lone exception is Alabama who was saved by some late game heroics, two TD's in the final minutes.
What started out looking like 2-3 losses in the Top 10 ended with every team winning, first time that's happened in quite a while. I don't see the current rankings changing at all.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
You have no clue what you're talking about. Any power 4 team who has 2 losses are still in the playoff hunt. Washington plays Oregon at home, so they have a good shot at going 10-2. No one knows where the committee is going to rank all the teams after the conference title games.
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i wonder when the Deion experiment is going to end
the novelty has completely worn off
Colorado is 3-5, they lost 53-7 last night and honestly the outcome could have been far worse (Utah was up 43-0 at half and let off the gas)
I do have a very good idea what Im talking about and 10-2 with no good wins is going to have serious problems. Theres only 6 open spots open. Theres 5 guaranteed ones and ND is 100 percent in if they win out which they should. That leaves 6 and youre going to be talking about teams with multiple ranked wins and ranked opponents vs teams that dont
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I'm not a fan, but unfortunately when it does end it will probably be because of health issues with how he keeps having to have blood clot surgeries
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I posted my prediction for the 12 team CFP field on page 12. It is below with a revised list following.
Georgia Tech
Ohio State
BYU
Navy/South Florida
Alabama
Indiana
Oregon
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Georgia
Notre Dame
Oklahoma --- out.
Revised list, I'm stuck at 11 teams because everyone keeps losing.
Georgia Tech --- ACC Champion.
Ohio State --- Big 10 Champion.
BYU --- Big 12 Champion.
Navy/South Florida --- AAC Champion.
Alabama --- SEC Champion.
Indiana
Oregon
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Georgia
Notre Dame --- Independent.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
In terms of the AAC champion Tulane and Navy would be the game if it happened today. Theyre both undefeated in conference play and the only hard game Tulane has left is Memphis. Navy has a gauntlet coming up for what they are and likely will be catching multiple losses
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What does Texas have to do to get kicked out of the Top 25?? We'll be finding out in November.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Ironically with Archie hurt, which I never like seeing players get hurt, they probably are better now. You also arent going to fall out of the rankings with a win
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Texas ---
to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
What exactly gives this Texas team a reason to be ranked besides being from the SEC??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Ohio State 14. Texas 7. at OSU
Either OSU is overrated or Texas is a very good team that has had an under performing QB. Which one is it?
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The voters dont watch most of the games, and all the southern voters need to keep a team like Texas ranked, so people like basebal guy can say sec teams have more wins against ranked opponents. However the committee will keep track of the good wins and the bad losses. For example Alabama has a bad non-conference loss against a 3-4 team.
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Julian Sayin's first start.
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Not sure why Michigan is ranked ahead of USC as USC destroyed michigan. Iowa still not getting any love as they have a good 5 point loss against Indiana.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
LSU finally fired Kelly
Fire AJ Preller
LOL I guess they didnt like that 24 point loss yesterday.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
He was a terrible hire that never fit the program that should have been fired last year. Ole Miss needs to open up the check book now if they want to keep Kiffin
Fire AJ Preller
Either OSU is overrated or Texas is a very good team that has had an under performing QB. Which one is it??
It is neither. As I said pages ago in this thread, Strength of Schedule is really a meaningless and flawed way to assess teams. A much better way is Strength of Record, especially when viewed post season and the CFP final rankings are being made. It is also a good measure of Ohio State and Texas at this point.
Ohio State is 7-0, having allowed only 41 points scored against them. They are what there record says they are, ranked 1st by a wide margin. That mat change but right now it seems accurate.
Texas on the other hand, doesn't quite have the same resume as they sit at 6-2:
to No. 1 Ohio State.
--- needed overtime to beat two of the worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi State).
--- has one win over a team with a record better than .500 (Oklahoma).
--- has one good loss
--- has one bad loss to Florida, a team that has since fired its head coach.
As a dedicated SEC fan you can make your own judgement. What will soon follow is Texas being discarded like a bad habit in a similar fashion as LSU. Don't be surprised if Tennessee and Oklahoma join them before the end of the season. Strength of Schedule is keeping them in play, Strength of record will show the truth and doom them.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I saw this morning that buffs are calling for his job now. Maybe it was already happening for a while.
Colorado was terrible before Deion and the scheme does make some sense to me.
The program has taken a step back, but it's still a long way from 1-11 a few years back. I don't want anyone to think I'm pining for his job. I really don't care. I don't dislike Deion and I do think he is a good fit for college football head coach. He's an absolute caricature - isn't that the mold?
On the other hand. His health is - I completely agree with bb21 on that one.... his health is going to bring this to an end one way or another. I think Colorado could do worse and right now his showtime noise is all that is bringing attention to Colorado football.
Some Computer Rankings for discussion, I pretty much picked the first 4 that came up in my search. Apparently all that the various Computers and their rating criteria can agree on is Ohio State and Indiana at the top. They also tend to view Alabama and Oregon as belonging in the top 5. More importantly, all 4 Computers tend to view these 10 teams in one order or another as being the best this season.
My biggest disagreement is with the inclusion of Texas and USC. The AP voters have those teams at 20 and 23 respectively and I think even that is too high. I also see Miami(Fla) as questionable but figure they'll sneak into the CFP Top 12.
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Its literally one or the other. Either Texas is terrible and Indiana or A&M should be the number one team since OSU struggled a ton against Texas at home or Texas is a very good team that has had a QB problem almost every game.
Trying to down play strength of schedule is just admitting that you know the B!G for years now has been a 3 or 4 conference team Other than head to head matchups SOS is by far the strongest indicator of what teams actually have the talent and are good and what teams are benefiting from their schecdule
Im a Navy fan but for the millionth time Im objective. Once again not sure how to make it anymore clear no one is happier when an SEC team loses than other SEC fans. They all hate each other
Fire AJ Preller
I guess if it's literally one or the other... I didn't know it was that LITERAL!
You order the MRI or I will.
Maywood is correct SOR is more important than SOS. One reason SOS isnt very accurate is because it doesnt really show how well teams perform against non conference power 4 opponents, as most games are conference games. Last year the SEC teams had high SOS, but did not do well against the BIG TEN teams and the playoffs.
Two reasons why the Ohio State/Texas game was low scoring. One- Julian Sayin's first start(He has since put up monster numbers as the #2 rated QB in the country) Two - Texas defense is legit(Ranked in the top 20). Ohio State defense is ranked #1. Iowa #2.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
The main reason Strength of Schedule is irrelevant is because it changes every week.
It is hard for me to understand why Iowa isn't ranked, my best hunch is partly the stubborn SEC bias which clogs up the Top 25. That will be answered when they play Oregon.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The beauty and the value of SOS is that it doesnt reward you for running up the score on a clearly inferior team. Most of the best teams close down their playbooks and end up putting backups in for a lost of the game against those high school level teams theyre paying to lose. Its not worth the risk of getting guys hurt to run up the score
Is Sayin having his first start matters against Texas than it would also matter that Georgia lost their QB and the best punter in the country before their playoff game. Texas won 2 playoff games, and Tennessee just turned into cowards and stopped blitzing
Bowl games dont matter there were so many opt outs
Fire AJ Preller
I think it's just as simple as; he doesn't understand how SOR is calculated. It's SOS with hindsight and why isn't that better than before the games are played?
Iowa came close to beating Indiana. They should give Oregon a good game. You're right, they're not ranked because they dont have SEC next to their name, thus reason why SOS is way overrated.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions