@Basebal21 said:
Vandy did catch a break that the best LB in the country for LSU is hurt this game, but I will never understand why some people hyper focus on the name of the school and the past instead of the preseant. What people long gone did is irrelevant. Lea turned the program around. This isnt the 2-10 type program that it was years ago when he took over anymore
Reminds me of days gone by when Oklahoma and Nebraska were the terrors and 60 point favorite days.
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@Basebal21, why is it that every time a team from down south loses there's an excuse?? Miami(Fla) lost because the officiating was a joke and their QB had a terrible game. LSU lost because the best LB in the country is hurt and their QB is on the mend. It never stops. Nobody in the south ever loses because they play a better team and nobody in the SEC is mediocre, every team is a powerhouse and they just keep knocking each other off.
Enough already. Settle in and watch Ohio State like me, hoping they don't lose. This is the point in the season when they sleep through a game. If they get past Wisconsin I'll relax.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Basebal21 said:
Vandy did catch a break that the best LB in the country for LSU is hurt this game, but I will never understand why some people hyper focus on the name of the school and the past instead of the preseant. What people long gone did is irrelevant. Lea turned the program around. This isnt the 2-10 type program that it was years ago when he took over anymore
Reminds me of days gone by when Oklahoma and Nebraska were the terrors and 60 point favorite days.
Pretty much. Oklahoma has kind of come back this year but not to that extent where they just run over everyone.
@Maywood said: @Basebal21, why is it that every time a team from down south loses there's an excuse?? Miami(Fla) lost because the officiating was a joke and their QB had a terrible game. LSU lost because the best LB in the country is hurt and their QB is on the mend. It never stops. Nobody in the south ever loses because they play a better team and nobody in the SEC is mediocre, every team is a powerhouse and they just keep knocking each other off.
Enough already. Settle in and watch Ohio State like me, hoping they don't lose. This is the point in the season when they sleep through a game. If they get past Wisconsin I'll relax.
If youre worried about Wisconsin wjo hasnt been competitive and is getting killed like pretty much everyone else knew they would be you have very little faith in your team. Ill stick to watching the 2 real games with Ole Miss GA and Texas Tech ASU instead of watching probably the worst power 4 team in Wisconsin get dominated
@BLUEJAYWAY said: Reminds me of days gone by when Oklahoma and Nebraska were the terrors and 60 point favorite days.
You're talking quite literally about games played before some of the members here were even born. College football was a completely different game then and focused almost exclusively on the running game. Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska and other teams were very innovative. I remember the old TV commercials with Ara Parseghian and I think a Chevy wagon with a 3-way tailgate. They did a take-off on the triple option that Notre Dame was using at the time.
Stubborn Head Coaches like Woody Hayes refused to change, hence the phrase 3-yards and a cloud of dust was born.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: @BLUEJAYWAY said: Reminds me of days gone by when Oklahoma and Nebraska were the terrors and 60 point favorite days.
You're talking quite literally about games played before some of the members here were even born. College football was a completely different game then and focused almost exclusively on the running game. Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska and other teams were very innovative. I remember the old TV commercials with Ara Parseghian and I think a Chevy wagon with a 3-way tailgate. They did a take-off on the triple option that Notre Dame was using at the time.
Stubborn Head Coaches like Woody Hayes refused to change, hence the phrase 3-yards and a cloud of dust was born.
I miss 80's college football, the different types of offenses were the best part of it
Wisconsin needs to just go ahead and fire Fickell. Moore at Oregon isnt that good but Wisconsin wont be competitive in that game either making them 0-6 against power 4 teams and not being competitive.
FL fans should be cheering for State to beat them. Makes it a lot easier to fire Nappier after a loss before the bye week which the firing is long overdue. Somehow the refs also managed to call a State FG that was good a miss so theres that too
Well, the Buckeyes took care of business today so I guess we at least know who will be ranked 1st in the AP Poll, after that is anybody's guess. Looks like another 4-5 teams in the Top 10 may lose today.
Ohio State --- beat Wisconsin.
Miami --- lost to Louisville.
Indiana --- beat Michigan State.
Texas A&M --- beat Arkansas.
Ole Miss --- lost to Georgia.
Alabama --- not yet underway.
Texas Tech --- lost to Arizona State.
Oregon ---beat Rutgers.
Georgia --- beat Ole Miss.
LSU --- lost to Vanderbilt.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Well, the Buckeyes took care of business today so I guess we at least know who will be ranked 1st in the AP Poll, after that is anybody's guess. Looks like another 4-5 teams in the Top 10 may lose today.
Ohio State --- beat Wisconsin.
Miami --- lost to Louisville.
Indiana --- beat Michigan State.
Texas A&M --- leading Arkansas at the half.
Ole Miss --- lost to Georgia.
Alabama --- not yet underway.
Texas Tech --- losing to Arizona State.
Oregon --- early against Rutgers.
Georgia --- beat Ole Miss.
LSU --- lost to Vanderbilt.
1 Ohio State
2 Indiana
Mendoza will probably be the heisman front runner after this week.
@Basebal21 said:
Michigan State is the same level as Wisconsin
Mendoza has 4 games this year with 4 td's.
I like him but theres games left to play today and half the season left. Simpson will stay the favorite if he doesnt pull a Beck and have a terrible game
@Maywood said: @BLUEJAYWAY said: Reminds me of days gone by when Oklahoma and Nebraska were the terrors and 60 point favorite days.
You're talking quite literally about games played before some of the members here were even born. College football was a completely different game then and focused almost exclusively on the running game. Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska and other teams were very innovative. I remember the old TV commercials with Ara Parseghian and I think a Chevy wagon with a 3-way tailgate. They did a take-off on the triple option that Notre Dame was using at the time.
Stubborn Head Coaches like Woody Hayes refused to change, hence the phrase 3-yards and a cloud of dust was born.
Now college has more passing than way back when. Got to groom them for the NFL passing game.
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Go ahead and put ND in the playoffs now even though they lost to the two good teams they played. Super soft schedule remaining and would really have to just completely blow it to catch another loss
It's getting harder and harder to try to figure out who should be included, after the first 4 teams it's a scrum of teams that can't figure out who they can beat and they can't beat. Never seen it like this before and I've been watching College football since the late 1960's.
Ohio State
Indiana
Alabama
Oregon
Texas A&M
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Ole Miss
Vanderbilt
Notre Dame
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
In the late night game, Stanford defeats Florida State 20-13. This was the first ever meeting between the two teams in history. This will probably go down as one of the biggest upsets of the year as Florida State was a 17.5 point favorite. The game ended at 2:10 AM eastern time.
FSU got robbed of a TD in that game, but theyve clearly just given up on the season.
As for the rankings I dont know what the voters are going to do but I dont see anyway one could justify ND being ahead of Miami. Miami has a better record, played a harder schedule, and beat ND when they played head to head
@Basebal21, my reasoning is that it's always better to lose early in the season, a late season loss is historically more costly than one early. Look at the Alabama loss and go through your logic of what was happening with the Tide then and now. After that loss you were ready to fire the HC, now he looks pretty good. It's the same with the Irish, the team is playing better now than early on. Alabama and Notre Dame would probably both exit the Top 10 if they had those early season losses this week.
If you apply the same thinking to all teams it makes a difference.
An interesting point: every spot in the Top 25 changed this week except.........................Ohio State at number one. I still think there are teams that are over-ranked, Texas A&M/Georgia/Miami, but they will get sorted out in the coming weeks as the turmoil will continue. That's the great thing about "parity" and a bunch of average teams, no record is safe and no spot in the playoff format Top 12 is safe until the final vote.
I have said it many times here, until these teams start playing each other during the regular season than the talk is just talk. You might think the SEC is "loaded" and I might think the teams are equal and "average" but we don't know because they are all afraid to play each other. It's too risky with the current playoff format. Much better to schedule Grambling and Southeaster Louisiana, etc. than a more powerful opponent that might result in a loss.
And it bears repeating: the AP Voters aren't more informed or better equipped to rank these teams than either of us. Their pre-season Poll proves that.
Ohio State
INDIANA
Texas A&M --- over-ranked.
Alabama
Georgia --- over-ranked.
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Ole Miss
Miami (FL) --- over-ranked.
Vanderbilt
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: @Basebal21, my reasoning is that it's always better to lose early in the season, a late season loss is historically more costly than one early. Look at the Alabama loss and go through your logic of what was happening with the Tide then and now. After that loss you were ready to fire the HC, now he looks pretty good. It's the same with the Irish, the team is playing better now than early on. Alabama and Notre Dame would probably both exit the Top 10 if they had those early season losses this week.
If you apply the same thinking to all teams it makes a difference.
An interesting point: every spot in the Top 25 changed this week except.........................Ohio State at number one. I still think there are teams that are over-ranked, Texas A&M/Georgia/Miami, but they will get sorted out in the coming weeks as the turmoil will continue. That's the great thing about "parity" and a bunch of average teams, no record is safe and no spot in the playoff format Top 12 is safe until the final vote.
I have said it many times here, until these teams start playing each other during the regular season than the talk is just talk. You might think the SEC is "loaded" and I might think the teams are equal and "average" but we don't know because they are all afraid to play each other. It's too risky with the current playoff format. Much better to schedule Grambling and Southeaster Louisiana, etc. than a more powerful opponent that might result in a loss.
And it bears repeating: the AP Voters aren't more informed or better equipped to rank these teams than either of us. Their pre-season Poll proves that.
Ohio State
INDIANA
Texas A&M --- over-ranked.
Alabama
Georgia --- over-ranked.
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Ole Miss
Miami (FL) --- over-ranked.
Vanderbilt
Im still not sold on the Bama coach but that loss seems to have been a blessing in terms of them actually playing hard again which they dont always do under him. Theres going to be more chaos with the coaching cycle with Eli and Kiffin trying to be poached and LSU is considering firing Kelly which was also a weird match from the start for the program. A lot more jobs are going to come open which will throw a wrench into everything
The A&M Ark game that was just a weird situation. Ark is better with Petrino who will probably get that job full time again, but that game was like 10-15 minutes from kickoff. Weather caused a 2 hour delay where players had to calm down and get warmed up again instead of playing a 6 hour game like TCU Baylor with all the weather delays.
With ND Miami though early loss or middle of the season loss Miami beat them, has had a harder schedule, and a better record. The fact that ND is even 12 is just getting the ND bounce. No other team in the top 15 has 2 loses and they barely beat PSU.
Its just like how Georgia shouldnt be able to jump Bama unless they both win out and beat Bama to win the conference in Atlanta.
I do agree a lot of the voters including the playoff ones dont really watch much like last year when SMU got the higher playoff seed over Clemson even though Clemson beat them the week before. So far they seemed to have fixed that issue and I dont really have complaints on the rankings this week.
Miami is going to live and die on how Beck plays, theyll drop quickly if he keeps playing like this week, but they likely will win out with what they have left on the schedule. All their hardest games are behind them.
I disagree that Miami has had a hard schedule, as all of their games have been in their home State, including the ND game. I think if those two teams played today, ND would win. Texas A@M has a pretty weak defense, so they will lose eventually. Lucky for them they do not play either Alabama nor Georgia.
Good to see Indiana at #2. Their fans have suffered for so long before last year.
Home state doesnt mean home game. Its not a home game when Bama goes to Auburn, or when Texas A&M goes to Texas etc. Kentucky and Louisville are about an hour from each other and it doesnt mean its a home game for either unless one of them is trash which Kentucky is this year and will likely fire their coach
@Basebal21 said:
Home state doesnt mean home game. Its not a home game when Bama goes to Auburn, or when Texas A&M goes to Texas etc. Kentucky and Louisville are about an hour from each other and it doesnt mean its a home game for either unless one of them is trash which Kentucky is this year and will likely fire their coach
Miami playing @ FSU compared to Miami playing @USC or @Oregon is apples and oranges.
@Basebal21 said:
Home state doesnt mean home game. Its not a home game when Bama goes to Auburn, or when Texas A&M goes to Texas etc. Kentucky and Louisville are about an hour from each other and it doesnt mean its a home game for either unless one of them is trash which Kentucky is this year and will likely fire their coach
Miami playing @ FSU compared to Miami playing @USC or @Oregon is apples and oranges.
No its not. Theyre both road games. The only game you can make the argument for would be Iowa State and Kansas State where they played in Ireland this year
Not to mention you always say how much rivarlys mean, Miami and FSU are rivals, Miami and FL are rivals
Miami might win out and remain in the playoff picture but they're one-and-done in that playoff. Texas A&M will be lucky to make it to the playoff with only one loss which is probably coming in the next few weeks. Another will follow before season's end.. These teams that are squeaking by with 3-point wins and maybe a little more against un-ranked or lower tier opponents aren't strong teams. And the "strength of schedule" argument is a hollow one. Just because there are so many SEC teams in the Poll isn't a reflection of how good they are, it's a reflection of how EQUAL they are and the bias of the voters.
Let's face it and be honest, this is a season like no other where there are currently 3-4 strong teams and a lot of pretenders. I believe that the AP Poll voters are having trouble sifting through the mayhem to decide who's the better pretenders in the bunch, and their default choice is to go with teams that usually play well. That's why these SEC teams rise in the poll, lose and fall away, only to be replaced by the next team. Rinse and repeat. Without the rest of the season even played yet I could make a reasonable guess as to who the 12 finalists will be, not the order but just the teams. The AP voters will rely on the past reputation because there are only a few standout teams.
Here is my prediction of teams. And if you don't agree and think I'm crazy then post your 12 teams.
Georgia Tech
Ohio State
BYU
Navy/South Florida
Alabama
Indiana
Oregon
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Georgia
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Just because teams are EQUAL doesnt mean they arent the BEST. The SEC consistently year in and year out puts the most players into the NFL and the most first rounders.
Unfortunately ND will really have to mess up not to get in. South FL will be the G5 unless by some miracle Navy beats ND which they only do like once a decade.
I still like Texas Tech over BYU for the Big 12.
Oklahoma has Ole Miss, Tennessee, Bama, Missou, and LSU left. I dont see them making the playoffs unless Mateer just goes crazy. I would put A&M over them
@Basebal21 said: The SEC consistently year in and year out puts the most players into the NFL and the most first rounders.
SEC fan: We had more players drafted than any other conference last season.
BIG 10 fan: And we've won the National Championship for the last two years. Got anything else??
If you really hold on to that point to support an argument about who is best you're a bigger fool than @coolstanley gives you credit for. It ridiculous. He can post it because he has in the past, but I'll help.
2024-2025 Bowl record.
Conference Bowls Record Final AP poll
Big Ten 17 11–6 (0.647)
SEC 15 8–7 (0.533)
In the 2024-2025 bowl season, the Big Ten had a dominant head-to-head record against the SEC, going 5-1 in matchups between the conferences.
Those are the facts from last season, we'll see what happens this season. It may be different. Until then I suggest you get back from whatever fantasy land it is you're living in and start dealing with reality. The college football landscape has shifted right under you feet and you didn't even notice.
But yeah, the SEC has more draft picks. hang your hat on that if it makes you feel good. And post your playoff picks early if you have the guts.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I dont know why you think theres such a thing as an SEC fan. They all hate each other. As ive stated numerous times I am a fan of Navy but Im not delusional and know they have 0 chance of of winning anything but their conference or the Commanders in Chiefs trophy. That allows me to look at teams objectively and players objectively.
Bowl games dont matter anymore. The game has changed whether you like it or not. Rosters change every year and if you arent in the playoffs the NFL players will opt out.
The reality is if you want to go back to last year the SEC had the most first rounders, the most second rounders and the most drafted overall. The NFL has more SEC players in the NFL than any conference and had 59 players drafted last year.
I wont post any playoff picks until the playoffs happen. Drink and Kiffin might get get poached and we are currently in a coaching spot that can drastically change everything this year with all the jobs that are already open and will become open with firings. Theres more firings coming
Bowl games mean something because they're almost the only time when the conferences play each other, so it stands out as a measure of relative strength. Measuring relative strength by draft picks is silly.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The fact remains is that we will not really know what power 4 conference is the best until the post season. Last year, the Big ten DOMINATED the playoffs, and the bowl games. Therefore, they proved it on the field that they were the best conference.
As for basebal guy, if either Ohio State or Indiana struggled to get by bad teams like Kentucky or Arkansas by a field goal, he would be repeatedly be saying Ohio State and Indiana are weak teams. But since those ranked teams were sec teams, he doesn't say a word
@Maywood said:
Miami might win out and remain in the playoff picture but they're one-and-done in that playoff. Texas A&M will be lucky to make it to the playoff with only one loss which is probably coming in the next few weeks. Another will follow before season's end.. These teams that are squeaking by with 3-point wins and maybe a little more against un-ranked or lower tier opponents aren't strong teams. And the "strength of schedule" argument is a hollow one. Just because there are so many SEC teams in the Poll isn't a reflection of how good they are, it's a reflection of how EQUAL they are and the bias of the voters.
Let's face it and be honest, this is a season like no other where there are currently 3-4 strong teams and a lot of pretenders. I believe that the AP Poll voters are having trouble sifting through the mayhem to decide who's the better pretenders in the bunch, and their default choice is to go with teams that usually play well. That's why these SEC teams rise in the poll, lose and fall away, only to be replaced by the next team. Rinse and repeat. Without the rest of the season even played yet I could make a reasonable guess as to who the 12 finalists will be, not the order but just the teams. The AP voters will rely on the past reputation because there are only a few standout teams.
Here is my prediction of teams. And if you don't agree and think I'm crazy then post your 12 teams.
Georgia Tech
Ohio State
BYU
Navy/South Florida
Alabama
Indiana
Oregon
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Georgia
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
I think if Illinois wins out, they will have a good shot at getting in. Their two losses were to the top two teams in the country.
Indiana was a product of their schedule last year, theyre a better team this year
Illinois has 0 chance at the playoffs unless they win the B!G which they wont
At some point people need to realize how much the game has changed. The more NFL talent you have the more opt outs you have in non playoff bowl games and that doesnt even get into the transfer portal stuff or coaching changes
So now we've moved on from "strength of schedule" being so important to "how many draft picks" a team has. You really need to stick to a narrative to use as your excuse for mediocre teams and the way they perform. Look up Occam's Razor.
The fact that ND is even 12 is just getting the ND bounce. No other team in the top 15 has 2 loses and they barely beat PSU.
Notre Dame has 2 losses by a combined 4 points to the current 3rd and 9th ranked teams. For a guy who places so much stock in that "strength of schedule" nonsense you sure apply it crazily. According to you it matters for some teams but not for others, make up your mind or move on to something else.
You just don't make sense.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Illinois has 0 chance at the playoffs unless they win the B!G which they wont
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According to the espn playoff predictor, Illinois has a shot to get in. So enough with the nonsense. Last year, several teams with 2 losses made the playoffs, including Ohio State. If Illinois wins out, they will have a decent chance.
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Reminds me of days gone by when Oklahoma and Nebraska were the terrors and 60 point favorite days.
@Basebal21, why is it that every time a team from down south loses there's an excuse?? Miami(Fla) lost because the officiating was a joke and their QB had a terrible game. LSU lost because the best LB in the country is hurt and their QB is on the mend. It never stops. Nobody in the south ever loses because they play a better team and nobody in the SEC is mediocre, every team is a powerhouse and they just keep knocking each other off.
Enough already. Settle in and watch Ohio State like me, hoping they don't lose. This is the point in the season when they sleep through a game. If they get past Wisconsin I'll relax.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Pretty much. Oklahoma has kind of come back this year but not to that extent where they just run over everyone.
Fire AJ Preller
If youre worried about Wisconsin wjo hasnt been competitive and is getting killed like pretty much everyone else knew they would be you have very little faith in your team. Ill stick to watching the 2 real games with Ole Miss GA and Texas Tech ASU instead of watching probably the worst power 4 team in Wisconsin get dominated
Fire AJ Preller
Approaching the half and I have stopped worrying.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@BLUEJAYWAY said: Reminds me of days gone by when Oklahoma and Nebraska were the terrors and 60 point favorite days.
You're talking quite literally about games played before some of the members here were even born. College football was a completely different game then and focused almost exclusively on the running game. Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska and other teams were very innovative. I remember the old TV commercials with Ara Parseghian and I think a Chevy wagon with a 3-way tailgate. They did a take-off on the triple option that Notre Dame was using at the time.
Stubborn Head Coaches like Woody Hayes refused to change, hence the phrase 3-yards and a cloud of dust was born.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I miss 80's college football, the different types of offenses were the best part of it
Wisconsin needs to just go ahead and fire Fickell. Moore at Oregon isnt that good but Wisconsin wont be competitive in that game either making them 0-6 against power 4 teams and not being competitive.
FL fans should be cheering for State to beat them. Makes it a lot easier to fire Nappier after a loss before the bye week which the firing is long overdue. Somehow the refs also managed to call a State FG that was good a miss so theres that too
Fire AJ Preller
Well, the Buckeyes took care of business today so I guess we at least know who will be ranked 1st in the AP Poll, after that is anybody's guess. Looks like another 4-5 teams in the Top 10 may lose today.
Ohio State --- beat Wisconsin.
Miami --- lost to Louisville.
Indiana --- beat Michigan State.
Texas A&M --- beat Arkansas.
Ole Miss --- lost to Georgia.
Alabama --- not yet underway.
Texas Tech --- lost to Arizona State.
Oregon ---beat Rutgers.
Georgia --- beat Ole Miss.
LSU --- lost to Vanderbilt.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Ohio State pitches a shutout on the road as Julian Sayin moves up in the heisman watch with 393 yrds passing and 4 td's.
LSU, another overranked SEC team at the start of the season, loses again.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
1 Ohio State
2 Indiana
Mendoza will probably be the heisman front runner after this week.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Michigan State is the same level as Wisconsin
Fire AJ Preller
Yeah, and everybody in the SEC would be ranked 1st in the Poll if they could just stop losing to all those pesky un-ranked teams!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@coolstanley said: Mendoza will probably be the heisman front runner after this week
Yeah, he'll be the front runner to hold the door open for Julian Sayin!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Mendoza has 4 games this year with 4 td's.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
4 Texas A@M struggling against a bad Arkansas team. Arkansas on the same level as Wisconsin.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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You’re now on my Christmas card list.
Vandy knocks off LSU!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I like him but theres games left to play today and half the season left. Simpson will stay the favorite if he doesnt pull a Beck and have a terrible game
Fire AJ Preller
Now college has more passing than way back when. Got to groom them for the NFL passing game.
Should be another Saturday night for the AP voters to burn the midnight oil trying to figure out the Top 10.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Wow! Tennessee done F'd up big time in the final play of the half!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Texas really needs to forget about the last name and just move on from Archie and put him on the bench where he belongs
Fire AJ Preller
I think its pretty clear now that Bama is the best team in the SEC.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Go ahead and put ND in the playoffs now even though they lost to the two good teams they played. Super soft schedule remaining and would really have to just completely blow it to catch another loss
Fire AJ Preller
Texas beats Kentucky by 3 in Overtime. Texas was favored by 12.5.
UCLA wins 3 straight after ditching their coach.
Penn State loses again this time to Iowa.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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It's getting harder and harder to try to figure out who should be included, after the first 4 teams it's a scrum of teams that can't figure out who they can beat and they can't beat. Never seen it like this before and I've been watching College football since the late 1960's.
Ohio State
Indiana
Alabama
Oregon
Texas A&M
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Ole Miss
Vanderbilt
Notre Dame
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
In the late night game, Stanford defeats Florida State 20-13. This was the first ever meeting between the two teams in history. This will probably go down as one of the biggest upsets of the year as Florida State was a 17.5 point favorite. The game ended at 2:10 AM eastern time.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Florida State just plummeted, I thought they were going be pretty solid this year
Arch Manning survives Kentucky in OT lol
Seminoles are now 3-4 and can't beat ANYONE in their conference.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
FSU got robbed of a TD in that game, but theyve clearly just given up on the season.
As for the rankings I dont know what the voters are going to do but I dont see anyway one could justify ND being ahead of Miami. Miami has a better record, played a harder schedule, and beat ND when they played head to head
Fire AJ Preller
Finally Nappier fired at FL.
Ole Miss might have to start working on an extension for Kiffin to keep him around now that his daughter has graduated.
Fire AJ Preller
@Basebal21, my reasoning is that it's always better to lose early in the season, a late season loss is historically more costly than one early. Look at the Alabama loss and go through your logic of what was happening with the Tide then and now. After that loss you were ready to fire the HC, now he looks pretty good. It's the same with the Irish, the team is playing better now than early on. Alabama and Notre Dame would probably both exit the Top 10 if they had those early season losses this week.
If you apply the same thinking to all teams it makes a difference.
An interesting point: every spot in the Top 25 changed this week except.........................Ohio State at number one. I still think there are teams that are over-ranked, Texas A&M/Georgia/Miami, but they will get sorted out in the coming weeks as the turmoil will continue. That's the great thing about "parity" and a bunch of average teams, no record is safe and no spot in the playoff format Top 12 is safe until the final vote.
I have said it many times here, until these teams start playing each other during the regular season than the talk is just talk. You might think the SEC is "loaded" and I might think the teams are equal and "average" but we don't know because they are all afraid to play each other. It's too risky with the current playoff format. Much better to schedule Grambling and Southeaster Louisiana, etc. than a more powerful opponent that might result in a loss.
And it bears repeating: the AP Voters aren't more informed or better equipped to rank these teams than either of us. Their pre-season Poll proves that.
Ohio State
INDIANA
Texas A&M --- over-ranked.
Alabama
Georgia --- over-ranked.
Oregon
Georgia Tech
Ole Miss
Miami (FL) --- over-ranked.
Vanderbilt
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Im still not sold on the Bama coach but that loss seems to have been a blessing in terms of them actually playing hard again which they dont always do under him. Theres going to be more chaos with the coaching cycle with Eli and Kiffin trying to be poached and LSU is considering firing Kelly which was also a weird match from the start for the program. A lot more jobs are going to come open which will throw a wrench into everything
The A&M Ark game that was just a weird situation. Ark is better with Petrino who will probably get that job full time again, but that game was like 10-15 minutes from kickoff. Weather caused a 2 hour delay where players had to calm down and get warmed up again instead of playing a 6 hour game like TCU Baylor with all the weather delays.
With ND Miami though early loss or middle of the season loss Miami beat them, has had a harder schedule, and a better record. The fact that ND is even 12 is just getting the ND bounce. No other team in the top 15 has 2 loses and they barely beat PSU.
Its just like how Georgia shouldnt be able to jump Bama unless they both win out and beat Bama to win the conference in Atlanta.
I do agree a lot of the voters including the playoff ones dont really watch much like last year when SMU got the higher playoff seed over Clemson even though Clemson beat them the week before. So far they seemed to have fixed that issue and I dont really have complaints on the rankings this week.
Miami is going to live and die on how Beck plays, theyll drop quickly if he keeps playing like this week, but they likely will win out with what they have left on the schedule. All their hardest games are behind them.
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I disagree that Miami has had a hard schedule, as all of their games have been in their home State, including the ND game. I think if those two teams played today, ND would win. Texas A@M has a pretty weak defense, so they will lose eventually. Lucky for them they do not play either Alabama nor Georgia.
Good to see Indiana at #2. Their fans have suffered for so long before last year.
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Home state doesnt mean home game. Its not a home game when Bama goes to Auburn, or when Texas A&M goes to Texas etc. Kentucky and Louisville are about an hour from each other and it doesnt mean its a home game for either unless one of them is trash which Kentucky is this year and will likely fire their coach
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Miami playing @ FSU compared to Miami playing @USC or @Oregon is apples and oranges.
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No its not. Theyre both road games. The only game you can make the argument for would be Iowa State and Kansas State where they played in Ireland this year
Not to mention you always say how much rivarlys mean, Miami and FSU are rivals, Miami and FL are rivals
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Going west for night games is tough on players.
Miami might win out and remain in the playoff picture but they're one-and-done in that playoff. Texas A&M will be lucky to make it to the playoff with only one loss which is probably coming in the next few weeks. Another will follow before season's end.. These teams that are squeaking by with 3-point wins and maybe a little more against un-ranked or lower tier opponents aren't strong teams. And the "strength of schedule" argument is a hollow one. Just because there are so many SEC teams in the Poll isn't a reflection of how good they are, it's a reflection of how EQUAL they are and the bias of the voters.
Let's face it and be honest, this is a season like no other where there are currently 3-4 strong teams and a lot of pretenders. I believe that the AP Poll voters are having trouble sifting through the mayhem to decide who's the better pretenders in the bunch, and their default choice is to go with teams that usually play well. That's why these SEC teams rise in the poll, lose and fall away, only to be replaced by the next team. Rinse and repeat. Without the rest of the season even played yet I could make a reasonable guess as to who the 12 finalists will be, not the order but just the teams. The AP voters will rely on the past reputation because there are only a few standout teams.
Here is my prediction of teams. And if you don't agree and think I'm crazy then post your 12 teams.
Georgia Tech
Ohio State
BYU
Navy/South Florida
Alabama
Indiana
Oregon
Vanderbilt
Ole Miss
Georgia
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Just because teams are EQUAL doesnt mean they arent the BEST. The SEC consistently year in and year out puts the most players into the NFL and the most first rounders.
Unfortunately ND will really have to mess up not to get in. South FL will be the G5 unless by some miracle Navy beats ND which they only do like once a decade.
I still like Texas Tech over BYU for the Big 12.
Oklahoma has Ole Miss, Tennessee, Bama, Missou, and LSU left. I dont see them making the playoffs unless Mateer just goes crazy. I would put A&M over them
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@Basebal21 said: The SEC consistently year in and year out puts the most players into the NFL and the most first rounders.
SEC fan: We had more players drafted than any other conference last season.
BIG 10 fan: And we've won the National Championship for the last two years. Got anything else??
If you really hold on to that point to support an argument about who is best you're a bigger fool than @coolstanley gives you credit for. It ridiculous. He can post it because he has in the past, but I'll help.
2024-2025 Bowl record.
Conference Bowls Record Final AP poll
Big Ten 17 11–6 (0.647)
SEC 15 8–7 (0.533)
In the 2024-2025 bowl season, the Big Ten had a dominant head-to-head record against the SEC, going 5-1 in matchups between the conferences.
Those are the facts from last season, we'll see what happens this season. It may be different. Until then I suggest you get back from whatever fantasy land it is you're living in and start dealing with reality. The college football landscape has shifted right under you feet and you didn't even notice.
But yeah, the SEC has more draft picks. hang your hat on that if it makes you feel good. And post your playoff picks early if you have the guts.
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I dont know why you think theres such a thing as an SEC fan. They all hate each other. As ive stated numerous times I am a fan of Navy but Im not delusional and know they have 0 chance of of winning anything but their conference or the Commanders in Chiefs trophy. That allows me to look at teams objectively and players objectively.
Bowl games dont matter anymore. The game has changed whether you like it or not. Rosters change every year and if you arent in the playoffs the NFL players will opt out.
The reality is if you want to go back to last year the SEC had the most first rounders, the most second rounders and the most drafted overall. The NFL has more SEC players in the NFL than any conference and had 59 players drafted last year.
I wont post any playoff picks until the playoffs happen. Drink and Kiffin might get get poached and we are currently in a coaching spot that can drastically change everything this year with all the jobs that are already open and will become open with firings. Theres more firings coming
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Bowl games mean something because they're almost the only time when the conferences play each other, so it stands out as a measure of relative strength. Measuring relative strength by draft picks is silly.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The fact remains is that we will not really know what power 4 conference is the best until the post season. Last year, the Big ten DOMINATED the playoffs, and the bowl games. Therefore, they proved it on the field that they were the best conference.
As for basebal guy, if either Ohio State or Indiana struggled to get by bad teams like Kentucky or Arkansas by a field goal, he would be repeatedly be saying Ohio State and Indiana are weak teams. But since those ranked teams were sec teams, he doesn't say a word
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I think if Illinois wins out, they will have a good shot at getting in. Their two losses were to the top two teams in the country.
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Indiana was a product of their schedule last year, theyre a better team this year
Illinois has 0 chance at the playoffs unless they win the B!G which they wont
At some point people need to realize how much the game has changed. The more NFL talent you have the more opt outs you have in non playoff bowl games and that doesnt even get into the transfer portal stuff or coaching changes
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So now we've moved on from "strength of schedule" being so important to "how many draft picks" a team has. You really need to stick to a narrative to use as your excuse for mediocre teams and the way they perform. Look up Occam's Razor.
The fact that ND is even 12 is just getting the ND bounce. No other team in the top 15 has 2 loses and they barely beat PSU.
Notre Dame has 2 losses by a combined 4 points to the current 3rd and 9th ranked teams. For a guy who places so much stock in that "strength of schedule" nonsense you sure apply it crazily. According to you it matters for some teams but not for others, make up your mind or move on to something else.
You just don't make sense.
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According to the espn playoff predictor, Illinois has a shot to get in. So enough with the nonsense. Last year, several teams with 2 losses made the playoffs, including Ohio State. If Illinois wins out, they will have a decent chance.
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