So get out the crayons and break this one down for me why someone coaching Penn State would be worth $8.8M per year?
So then you obviously don't know how much money a major college football program brings into the University..........Look at what they pay to a kid to transfer to their program.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
So get out the crayons and break this one down for me why someone coaching Penn State would be worth $8.8M per year?
So then you obviously don't know how much money a major college football program brings into the University..........Look at what they pay to a kid to transfer to their program.
It's like 10-20% of the program's revenue which would be incredibly out-sized for that type of role. I would ask why you accept it as reasonable based on 'these are big numbers'.
Ohio State's football program generated over $127 million in revenue for fiscal year 2023, with the increase driven by ticket sales, eight home games, and higher royalties, licensing, advertising, and sponsorship revenue. This revenue helps support the entire Ohio State athletic department, which posted a record total revenue of over $279.5 million in FY2023
Giving a big named coach that much that will bring in high grade recruits is a very small percentage of that!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Steven59 said:
Ohio State's football program generated over $127 million in revenue for fiscal year 2023, with the increase driven by ticket sales, eight home games, and higher royalties, licensing, advertising, and sponsorship revenue. This revenue helps support the entire Ohio State athletic department, which posted a record total revenue of over $279.5 million in FY2023
Giving a big named coach that much that will bring in high grade recruits is a very small percentage of that!
I think the players care more about the NIL than they do the head coach.
OSU 2024 was $111.6M
By contrast
Wisconsin 2024 was $100.6M
I am open to being convinced, but you're just telling me it's a good deal.
When did I say: "It was a good deal?" - And just remember you are not taking into account all the money from TV and Radio contract, the commercials that play during those broadcasts, parking fees, concessions, merchandise, and government grants that none of us will ever know how much that will total -
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
When did I say: "It was a good deal?" - And just remember you are not taking into account all the money from TV and Radio contract, the commercials that play during those broadcasts, parking fees, concessions, merchandise, and government grants that none of us will ever know how much that will total -
While you did not specifically say "It was a good deal" I was interpreting your statement "Giving a big named coach that much that will bring in high grade recruits is a very small percentage of that!" to mean that it's a good deal for the university as the salary is justified by the revenue the coach generates with recruiting. Is that not the right way to interpret that?
Those numbers are the total revenue, including that stuff. They're stated as estimates, but I mean, I'm seeing the same numbers you're mentioning so I didn't think we were using meaningfully different estimates. If you say the coach is worth that much because they bring in that talent then sure. As far as I know that could be true, but I'll leave it at... I'm skeptical.
@Steven59 said:
" I was interpreting your statement"
Well that's cause your an idiot - you don't know me.
Interesting. How else would I interpret that statement? It means something and I was taking a position that it's "not a good deal". You appear to be asserting the opposite, which would be: It's a good deal.
He has the resources to win a natty, even the hockey team got about 250 million for a new stadium. They cant really find a QB but i dont get how theyre so fine being like is fine as long as we make a bowl game
They legit might lose 5 games now if they cant beat UCLA
@Steven59 said:
" I was interpreting your statement"
Well that's cause you're a Genius! - I'm bowing down at the moment -
I really wasn't trying to trigger anyone here. I know it's a tough time and emotions are high. Forget what I said about head coaching salaries. I didn't mean it.
Penn State was a 4 TD favorite. Now with a new head coach, maybe UCLA can turn their season around.
Here's an interesting stat... Miami is now 5-0 with the win over FSU. Miami has yet to play a game outside the State of Florida, and wont play one until November when they play at SMU.
Alabama could be the best team in the SEC. Hard to belief, considering how bad they lost to FSU in week one. Or, is Oklahoma or Ole Miss better? Who knows right now?
It gets harder every week to figure out who is gonna be placed in the Top 10, I envision the voters up all night till their eyes are bloodshot. Yeah, like that ever happens. My biggest beef with how the voters pick teams is when they penalize somebody for not playing and drop them down, I fully expect to see that today. But here is my list.
@Maywood said: @coolstanley said: Miami has yet to play a game outside the State of Florida, and wont play one until November when they play at SMU
How are they expected to play a West Coast team when they can't even make it outa their home state??!!??
They dont go to Standford or Cal. The furthest west they go is SMU and they play Standford at home who are bad. The ACC championship is in Charlotte if they get there. SMU of Louisville might get them but at this point barring injuries Miami is going to run the table
Miami plays nobody the rest of the way and haven't really played anybody up to this point in the season, yet they continue to rise in the Poll. Since losing to Iowa State last year in the "Pop-Tarts Bowl" they have stayed in Florida and played chumps while barely squeaking by the 2 decent teams they played --- yet they keep rising in the Poll.
If Ohio State were to have a bye next week, Miami(Fla) would be the new number 1 if they beat AAC powerhouse Louisville!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Miami plays nobody the rest of the way and haven't really played anybody up to this point in the season, yet they continue to rise in the Poll. Since losing to Iowa State last year in the "Pop-Tarts Bowl" they have stayed in Florida and played chumps while barely squeaking by the 2 decent teams they played --- yet they keep rising in the Poll.
If Ohio State were to have a bye next week, Miami(Fla) would be the new number 1 if they beat AAC powerhouse Louisville!!!
SMU and Louisville arent nobodies but not elite in terms of remaining schedule. In terms of who theyve played so far theyve beaten ND, FL, South Florida, and FSU. Thats significantly harder than what OSU has done if you want to compare them head to head for some reason. OSU has a cake walk left too, they have Illinois whose overrated, Michigan and PSU.
If youre going head to head Miami already has 3 ranked wins to OSUs 1 and their win was Texas and people are finally figuring out Arch is average and holding the program back.
OSU is going to be number 1 until they lose, but it doesnt change the fact Miami has had a much harder schedule so far
Miami is lucky they aren't 3-2. That is one thing that riles me up about the Poll voting: a team can fall in the Poll simply because it's their bye-week and another team can rise in the Poll bye beating someone they should steamroll by only a few points. Also, the importance of beating a ranked team should be measured at the end of the season when the committee is figuring the final order. Ohio State beating Texas meant a lot back on week 2, it means a lot less right now when Texas is 3-2 and gone from the Top 25. The fact that Miami beat the current 16, 24 and 25 teams doesn't really impress me because those teams are moving in the wrong direction as they try to catch Texas.
That's what the whole Strength of Schedule/Strength of Record debate was all about. When Oregon beat Penn State it seemed like quite a feat, one week and another PSU loss later and not so much. Teams can only play who is on their schedule and have no say in where those teams are ranked. If a team beats who they are supposed to beat by an established comfortable margin they should be rewarded or at least not punished. When a team loses to an opponent they should beat or wins but struggles, they shouldn't be rewarded and also shouldn't be surprised if the voters punish them in the Poll.
There are examples of all these scenarios each week. Right now, in the Top 10, Miami is benefitting. As the 2nd ranked team in the country they should have won by more than 3 and 6 points, their best wins to date.
--- about Ohio State, I have always felt that the defending National Champion SHOULD be ranked 1st until they lose.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Considering Miami has played every game in their home State, they have not had a harder schedule than Ohio State. Ohio State had to travel to Washington, in which Washington was riding on a 22 game home win streak. Tough environment. Ohio State also has to play Illinois on the road, another tough team to beat at home. Ohio State will also likely have to play Oregon in the BIG TEN championship game if both teams keep winning.
I very clearly stated OSU is going to be 1 until they lose. I disagree that should be an automatic number 1 because of the huge amount of roster turnover but Im fine with them at 1.
As for Miami they do have the better wins. I dont really care about that at this point but they were a bad a pick for an unimpressive schedule. They also have maybe the best QB, an elite WR, and some elite defensive talent.
Oregon is the one to argue at this point like PSU was before. Oregons best win by miles is PSU. Their second best is maybe Oregon State that just lost to App State and 3rd maybe Oklahoma State who are terrible.
As for the narrative about Miami only playing games in state its just a bad narrative. Miami to FSU is almost 500 miles which is over twice as far as OSU and Michigan. In state games also means youre playing rivals. Bama and Auburn arent saying at least we dont leave the state when we play. You either have a home game or you dont. Theres no such thing as a home game because of the state
@Basebal21 said:
I very clearly stated OSU is going to be 1 until they lose. I disagree that should be an automatic number 1 because of the huge amount of roster turnover but Im fine with them at 1.
As for Miami they do have the better wins. I dont really care about that at this point but they were a bad a pick for an unimpressive schedule. They also have maybe the best QB, an elite WR, and some elite defensive talent.
Oregon is the one to argue at this point like PSU was before. Oregons best win by miles is PSU. Their second best is maybe Oregon State that just lost to App State and 3rd maybe Oklahoma State who are terrible.
As for the narrative about Miami only playing games in state its just a bad narrative. Miami to FSU is almost 500 miles which is over twice as far as OSU and Michigan. In state games also means youre playing rivals. Bama and Auburn arent saying at least we dont leave the state when we play. You either have a home game or you dont. Theres no such thing as a home game because of the state
The best offensive player in the country hands down is Jeremiah Smith.
Miami had to travel 500 miles? Wow. Big ten teams have to travel 5 times that. This past week Washington played at Maryland which is 2,800 miles apart. So you're talking apples and oranges.
Miami plays zero tough games on the road this year except the in state game they had with FSU.
@Basebal21 said:
I very clearly stated OSU is going to be 1 until they lose. I disagree that should be an automatic number 1 because of the huge amount of roster turnover but Im fine with them at 1.
As for Miami they do have the better wins. I dont really care about that at this point but they were a bad a pick for an unimpressive schedule. They also have maybe the best QB, an elite WR, and some elite defensive talent.
Oregon is the one to argue at this point like PSU was before. Oregons best win by miles is PSU. Their second best is maybe Oregon State that just lost to App State and 3rd maybe Oklahoma State who are terrible.
As for the narrative about Miami only playing games in state its just a bad narrative. Miami to FSU is almost 500 miles which is over twice as far as OSU and Michigan. In state games also means youre playing rivals. Bama and Auburn arent saying at least we dont leave the state when we play. You either have a home game or you dont. Theres no such thing as a home game because of the state
The best offensive player in the country hands down is Jeremiah Smith.
Miami had to travel 500 miles? Wow. Big ten teams have to travel 5 times that. This past week Washington played at Maryland which is 2,800 miles apart. So you're talking apples and oranges.
Miami plays zero tough games on the road this year except the in state game they had with FSU.
Smith isnt the best WR in the country hands down. Ryan Williams exists and Miami has a freshman in that class as well but Im guessing you dont know his name. I dont really care how people rank Williams and Smith because its 1a and 1b but the hands down thing like theres a major gap just isnt close to true.
Asa far as travel I can guarantee you Miami would have much rather traveled to UCLA to play a team that hadnt lead for a single second all year than have to go to their actual rival a dangerous talented FSU. Or Maryland or Rutgers take your pick.
@Basebal21 said:
I very clearly stated OSU is going to be 1 until they lose. I disagree that should be an automatic number 1 because of the huge amount of roster turnover but Im fine with them at 1.
As for Miami they do have the better wins. I dont really care about that at this point but they were a bad a pick for an unimpressive schedule. They also have maybe the best QB, an elite WR, and some elite defensive talent.
Oregon is the one to argue at this point like PSU was before. Oregons best win by miles is PSU. Their second best is maybe Oregon State that just lost to App State and 3rd maybe Oklahoma State who are terrible.
As for the narrative about Miami only playing games in state its just a bad narrative. Miami to FSU is almost 500 miles which is over twice as far as OSU and Michigan. In state games also means youre playing rivals. Bama and Auburn arent saying at least we dont leave the state when we play. You either have a home game or you dont. Theres no such thing as a home game because of the state
The best offensive player in the country hands down is Jeremiah Smith.
Miami had to travel 500 miles? Wow. Big ten teams have to travel 5 times that. This past week Washington played at Maryland which is 2,800 miles apart. So you're talking apples and oranges.
Miami plays zero tough games on the road this year except the in state game they had with FSU.
Smith isnt the best WR in the country hands down. Ryan Williams exists and Miami has a freshman in that class as well but Im guessing you dont know his name. I dont really care how people rank Williams and Smith because its 1a and 1b but the hands down thing like theres a major gap just isnt close to true.
Asa far as travel I can guarantee you Miami would have much rather traveled to UCLA to play a team that hadnt lead for a single second all year than have to go to their actual rival a dangerous talented FSU. Or Maryland or Rutgers take your pick.
Florida State has lost their last two games = paper tiger.
I hope Illinois shows up at home and plays a good game against OSU, I'm looking forward to this one and don't want to be disappointed like I was when Indiana played the Illini, OSU should win but I hope it's close at least
Texas --- Ohio State. ---Texas is gone.
Ohio State --- Miami(Fla).
Penn State --- Oregon. ---Penn State is gone.
Georgia --- Ole Miss
Notre Dame ---Texas A&M. --- Notre Dame is gone.
Clemson --- Oklahoma. --- Clemson is gone.
Oregon --- Indiana.
Alabama --- Alabama.
LSU --- Texas Tech.
Miami --- Georgia.
Arizona State --- LSU. --- Arizona State is gone.
Illinois ---Tennessee. --- Illinois is gone.
South Carolina ---Georgia Tech. --- South Carolina is gone.
Michigan --- Missouri.
Ole Miss --- Michigan.
So approximately half of the teams the supposed "EXPERTS" determined were the best in the NCAA before the season began are gone after only 6 weeks. That is absolutely terrible prognosticating and these are the people and the system that is used to help determine who gets to play for the National Championship!!! It reeks of bias which always favors teams south of the Mason-Dixon line. If you consider that fully half of the Top 15 ranked teams are from one conference you start to understand because those teams are not the best in the country. But with the current system and the way that teams schedule we never really get to find out who the best teams are.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
i've lived in Texas my entire life and i've never liked UT, primarily because they are the Dallas Cowboys of college football. if you're not an alum or a fan of that team or university for any reason, i'm here to tell you the hubris that program spews everywhere is insufferable. they go into every season acting like they're about to defend the natty they won the previous year, yet here we are two decades removed from the last time they were on top at the end of a football season.
this year was the most nauseating in recent memory. they were about to unleash their prized possession at quarterback and steamroll everyone on their way to the chip. seriously, that's what that fan base thought. we've barely skimmed the surface of October and their season is all but over. Manning sucks, so does the team, and they aren't even ranked heading into the red river rivalry. not exactly what TU fans had on their bingo card.
it makes me considerably gleeful. if they don't beat OU this weekend, it's gonna get good. really good. you may hear the loudest of explosions no matter where you live
@galaxy27 said:
i've lived in Texas my entire life and i've never liked UT, primarily because they are the Dallas Cowboys of college football. if you're not an alum or a fan of that team or university for any reason, i'm here to tell you the hubris that program spews everywhere is insufferable. they go into every season acting like they're about to defend the natty they won the previous year, yet here we are two decades removed from the last time they were on top at the end of a football season.
this year was the most nauseating in recent memory. they were about to unleash their prized possession at quarterback and steamroll everyone on their way to the chip. seriously, that's what that fan base thought. we've barely skimmed the surface of October and their season is all but over. Manning sucks, so does the team, and they aren't even ranked heading into the red river rivalry. not exactly what TU fans had on their bingo card.
it makes me considerably gleeful. if they don't beat OU this weekend, it's gonna get good. really good. you may hear the loudest of explosions no matter where you live
It's crazy, the hype around Arch was all over the place I read some NFL crap about "Should the Jets tank for Arch Manning" before the NCAA season started lol
That kid has done a great job of working himself out of being drafted
@Maywood said:
Pre-season Top 15 alongside the current Top 15:
Texas --- Ohio State. ---Texas is gone.
Ohio State --- Miami(Fla).
Penn State --- Oregon. ---Penn State is gone.
Georgia --- Ole Miss
Notre Dame ---Texas A&M. --- Notre Dame is gone.
Clemson --- Oklahoma. --- Clemson is gone.
Oregon --- Indiana.
Alabama --- Alabama.
LSU --- Texas Tech.
Miami --- Georgia.
Arizona State --- LSU. --- Arizona State is gone.
Illinois ---Tennessee. --- Illinois is gone.
South Carolina ---Georgia Tech. --- South Carolina is gone.
Michigan --- Missouri.
Ole Miss --- Michigan.
So approximately half of the teams the supposed "EXPERTS determined were the best in the NCAA before the season began are gone after only 6 weeks. That is absolutely terrible prognosticating and these are the people and the system that is used to help determine who gets to play for the National Championship!!! It wreaks of bias which always favors teams south of the Mason-Dixon line. If you consider that fully half of the Top 15 ranked teams are from one conference you start to understand because those teams are not the best in the country. But with the current system and the way that teams schedule we never really get to find out who the best teams are.
Exactly. The so called experts have robbed Ohio State out of about 5 more National Championships since 1998. Other teams have been robbed as well.
@Basebal21 said:
I very clearly stated OSU is going to be 1 until they lose. I disagree that should be an automatic number 1 because of the huge amount of roster turnover but Im fine with them at 1.
As for Miami they do have the better wins. I dont really care about that at this point but they were a bad a pick for an unimpressive schedule. They also have maybe the best QB, an elite WR, and some elite defensive talent.
Oregon is the one to argue at this point like PSU was before. Oregons best win by miles is PSU. Their second best is maybe Oregon State that just lost to App State and 3rd maybe Oklahoma State who are terrible.
As for the narrative about Miami only playing games in state its just a bad narrative. Miami to FSU is almost 500 miles which is over twice as far as OSU and Michigan. In state games also means youre playing rivals. Bama and Auburn arent saying at least we dont leave the state when we play. You either have a home game or you dont. Theres no such thing as a home game because of the state
The best offensive player in the country hands down is Jeremiah Smith.
Miami had to travel 500 miles? Wow. Big ten teams have to travel 5 times that. This past week Washington played at Maryland which is 2,800 miles apart. So you're talking apples and oranges.
Miami plays zero tough games on the road this year except the in state game they had with FSU.
Smith isnt the best WR in the country hands down. Ryan Williams exists and Miami has a freshman in that class as well but Im guessing you dont know his name. I dont really care how people rank Williams and Smith because its 1a and 1b but the hands down thing like theres a major gap just isnt close to true.
Asa far as travel I can guarantee you Miami would have much rather traveled to UCLA to play a team that hadnt lead for a single second all year than have to go to their actual rival a dangerous talented FSU. Or Maryland or Rutgers take your pick.
Florida State has lost their last two games = paper tiger.
They barely lost both to significantly better teams than UCLA. PSU has lost their last two so theyre not even a paper tiger when one of those loses was to an 0-4 team that hadnt had a lead for a single second all year and PSU didnt have a lead against them for a single second
@galaxy27 said:
i've lived in Texas my entire life and i've never liked UT, primarily because they are the Dallas Cowboys of college football. if you're not an alum or a fan of that team or university for any reason, i'm here to tell you the hubris that program spews everywhere is insufferable. they go into every season acting like they're about to defend the natty they won the previous year, yet here we are two decades removed from the last time they were on top at the end of a football season.
this year was the most nauseating in recent memory. they were about to unleash their prized possession at quarterback and steamroll everyone on their way to the chip. seriously, that's what that fan base thought. we've barely skimmed the surface of October and their season is all but over. Manning sucks, so does the team, and they aren't even ranked heading into the red river rivalry. not exactly what TU fans had on their bingo card.
it makes me considerably gleeful. if they don't beat OU this weekend, it's gonna get good. really good. you may hear the loudest of explosions no matter where you live
It's crazy, the hype around Arch was all over the place I read some NFL crap about "Should the Jets tank for Arch Manning" before the NCAA season started lol
That kid has done a great job of working himself out of being drafted
Its the last name. Peyton and Eli left him off their QB watch list (Eli overrated too) but theres a reason why Archie road the bench for 2 years. Ewers kept suffering bit time injuries and Archie still couldnt win the job and theyd put Ewers back in as fast as possible even before he was 100 percent every time.
The boosters seem to be a lot more in love with him than the coaching staff. Its a shame too because he is costing a very talented roster games. FL has the same issue right now but that one might be more system related
@coolstanley said: The so called experts have robbed Ohio State out of about 5 more National Championships since 1998. Other teams have been robbed as well.
I can't speak to other conferences and their "grudge matches" between teams, but the voters just need to stop placing emphasis on the Ohio State vs. Michigan game, it is almost like a disconnected part of any season and doesn't show a true picture of Ohio State. If the Buckeyes had their annual embarrassment at the hands of Michigan earlier in the season their Poll position would have historically been better through the years.
Anyone paying attention should see that this season is no different, Ohio State has a better team than Michigan. That doesn't matter. When "THE GAME" gets played in Ann Arbor at the end of November I expect to see the Buckeyes lay another egg. The players will pump themselves full of adrenaline and testosterone and forget their skills while the coaching staff, led by Ryan Day, forget about everything that got the team through the season. They will do like last year, pound the line straight ahead in an attempt to prove that they can run against Michigan. In the meantime Smith and Tate will be used as blockers.
Good job Day, how'd that workout??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: @coolstanley said: The so called experts have robbed Ohio State out of about 5 more National Championships since 1998. Other teams have been robbed as well.
I can't speak to other conferences and their "grudge matches" between teams, but the voters just need to stop placing emphasis on the Ohio State vs. Michigan game, it is almost like a disconnected part of any season and doesn't show a true picture of Ohio State. If the Buckeyes had their annual embarrassment at the hands of Michigan earlier in the season their Poll position would have historically been better through the years.
Anyone paying attention should see that this season is no different, Ohio State has a better team than Michigan. That doesn't matter. When "THE GAME" gets played in Ann Arbor at the end of November I expect to see the Buckeyes lay another egg. The players will pump themselves full of adrenaline and testosterone and forget their skills while the coaching staff, led by Ryan Day, forget about everything that got the team through the season. They will do like last year, pound the line straight ahead in an attempt to prove that they can run against Michigan. In the meantime Smith and Tate will be used as blockers.
Good job Day, how'd that workout??
Pretty much how last years game went. Terrible game plan by the Buckeye coaches. It also didnt help that the kicker missed two easy field goals.
I'm not thrilled I got to go on a leaf peeping expedition 2 hours up North into the White Mountains with minimal to no cell reception for most of the day with my girlfriend, I won't be able to catch any of the highlights until we check into our hotel and after meeting her sister and brother in law for dinner, I'm the only Sports guy in the group 🤬
Makes me wonder what kind of a shake-up we'll have after this weekend. If the right(or wrong depending on your perspective) teams lose it will beg the question, does everyone in the SEC just suck this season??
Ohio State --- a 2nd test after the trip to Washington.
Miami (FL) --- bye week, we'll see if they move down as freely as they move up.
Oregon --- if they beat Indiana they should pass idle Miami(Fla) or show the hypocrisy in the voters.
Ole Miss --- playing a West Coast team, but of course it's at home.
Texas A&M --- if the Gators win it will wreck the Poll!!
Oklahoma --- if the Sooners lose it will wreck the Poll, but count on it. This is my upset special.
Indiana --- say goodbye to the Top 10.
Alabama --- another chance for the SEC to eat one of their own.
Texas Tech --- a battle for the Big 12 lead.
Georgia --- never underestimate the power of Georgia to shoot themselves in the foot.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
And due to some of the games today, the question is begged as Alabama beats Missouri by 3 points and Ole Miss beats un-ranked Washington State by 3 points. Also, Alabama's loss to Florida State now looks really bad as the Seminoles lose to un-ranked Pittsburgh by 3 points and will surely drop out of the Top 25. Remember, according to @Basebal21 "Strength of Schedule" is really important.
All that and the 3 o'clock games have just started!! I see another shake-up in the Top 25.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Comments
So get out the crayons and break this one down for me why someone coaching Penn State would be worth $8.8M per year?
So then you obviously don't know how much money a major college football program brings into the University..........Look at what they pay to a kid to transfer to their program.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
It's like 10-20% of the program's revenue which would be incredibly out-sized for that type of role. I would ask why you accept it as reasonable based on 'these are big numbers'.
Ohio State's football program generated over $127 million in revenue for fiscal year 2023, with the increase driven by ticket sales, eight home games, and higher royalties, licensing, advertising, and sponsorship revenue. This revenue helps support the entire Ohio State athletic department, which posted a record total revenue of over $279.5 million in FY2023
Giving a big named coach that much that will bring in high grade recruits is a very small percentage of that!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I think the players care more about the NIL than they do the head coach.
OSU 2024 was $111.6M
By contrast
Wisconsin 2024 was $100.6M
I am open to being convinced, but you're just telling me it's a good deal.
but you're just telling me it's a good deal.
When did I say: "It was a good deal?" - And just remember you are not taking into account all the money from TV and Radio contract, the commercials that play during those broadcasts, parking fees, concessions, merchandise, and government grants that none of us will ever know how much that will total -
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
While you did not specifically say "It was a good deal" I was interpreting your statement "Giving a big named coach that much that will bring in high grade recruits is a very small percentage of that!" to mean that it's a good deal for the university as the salary is justified by the revenue the coach generates with recruiting. Is that not the right way to interpret that?
Those numbers are the total revenue, including that stuff. They're stated as estimates, but I mean, I'm seeing the same numbers you're mentioning so I didn't think we were using meaningfully different estimates. If you say the coach is worth that much because they bring in that talent then sure. As far as I know that could be true, but I'll leave it at... I'm skeptical.
" I was interpreting your statement"
Well that's cause you're a Genius! - I'm bowing down at the moment -
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Interesting. How else would I interpret that statement? It means something and I was taking a position that it's "not a good deal". You appear to be asserting the opposite, which would be: It's a good deal.
Not a good look for you.
There you go - I fixed it so your feelings aren't hurt - go play some Big Bunny and feel better about yourself tonight!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm broken.
He has the resources to win a natty, even the hockey team got about 250 million for a new stadium. They cant really find a QB but i dont get how theyre so fine being like is fine as long as we make a bowl game
They legit might lose 5 games now if they cant beat UCLA
Fire AJ Preller
I really wasn't trying to trigger anyone here. I know it's a tough time and emotions are high. Forget what I said about head coaching salaries. I didn't mean it.
Penn State was a 4 TD favorite. Now with a new head coach, maybe UCLA can turn their season around.
Here's an interesting stat... Miami is now 5-0 with the win over FSU. Miami has yet to play a game outside the State of Florida, and wont play one until November when they play at SMU.
Alabama could be the best team in the SEC. Hard to belief, considering how bad they lost to FSU in week one. Or, is Oklahoma or Ole Miss better? Who knows right now?
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
As they say on the BIG TEN network, 'there is never a dull moment in the BIG TEN.
Washington wins being down 20 points in the 2nd half to get the road win over undefeated Maryland 24-20.
Ohio State coach Ryan Day now moves ahead of the great Knute Rockne in career win percentage of .882.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
@coolstanley said: Miami has yet to play a game outside the State of Florida, and wont play one until November when they play at SMU
How are they expected to play a West Coast team when they can't even make it outa their home state??!!??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
This ranking system seems to act as a betting guide as well. The voters are like touts.
It gets harder every week to figure out who is gonna be placed in the Top 10, I envision the voters up all night till their eyes are bloodshot. Yeah, like that ever happens. My biggest beef with how the voters pick teams is when they penalize somebody for not playing and drop them down, I fully expect to see that today.
But here is my list.
Ohio State.
Oregon.
Miami(Fla).
Ole Miss.
Oklahoma.
Texas A&M.
Indiana.
Alabama.
Georgia.
Texas Tech.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Now that the poll is out I would have had GA higher but close enough. At least they finally realized PSU has absolutely no business being ranked
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They dont go to Standford or Cal. The furthest west they go is SMU and they play Standford at home who are bad. The ACC championship is in Charlotte if they get there. SMU of Louisville might get them but at this point barring injuries Miami is going to run the table
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Miami plays nobody the rest of the way and haven't really played anybody up to this point in the season, yet they continue to rise in the Poll. Since losing to Iowa State last year in the "Pop-Tarts Bowl" they have stayed in Florida and played chumps while barely squeaking by the 2 decent teams they played --- yet they keep rising in the Poll.
If Ohio State were to have a bye next week, Miami(Fla) would be the new number 1 if they beat AAC powerhouse Louisville!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
SMU and Louisville arent nobodies but not elite in terms of remaining schedule. In terms of who theyve played so far theyve beaten ND, FL, South Florida, and FSU. Thats significantly harder than what OSU has done if you want to compare them head to head for some reason. OSU has a cake walk left too, they have Illinois whose overrated, Michigan and PSU.
If youre going head to head Miami already has 3 ranked wins to OSUs 1 and their win was Texas and people are finally figuring out Arch is average and holding the program back.
OSU is going to be number 1 until they lose, but it doesnt change the fact Miami has had a much harder schedule so far
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Miami is lucky they aren't 3-2. That is one thing that riles me up about the Poll voting: a team can fall in the Poll simply because it's their bye-week and another team can rise in the Poll bye beating someone they should steamroll by only a few points. Also, the importance of beating a ranked team should be measured at the end of the season when the committee is figuring the final order. Ohio State beating Texas meant a lot back on week 2, it means a lot less right now when Texas is 3-2 and gone from the Top 25. The fact that Miami beat the current 16, 24 and 25 teams doesn't really impress me because those teams are moving in the wrong direction as they try to catch Texas.
That's what the whole Strength of Schedule/Strength of Record debate was all about. When Oregon beat Penn State it seemed like quite a feat, one week and another PSU loss later and not so much. Teams can only play who is on their schedule and have no say in where those teams are ranked. If a team beats who they are supposed to beat by an established comfortable margin they should be rewarded or at least not punished. When a team loses to an opponent they should beat or wins but struggles, they shouldn't be rewarded and also shouldn't be surprised if the voters punish them in the Poll.
There are examples of all these scenarios each week. Right now, in the Top 10, Miami is benefitting. As the 2nd ranked team in the country they should have won by more than 3 and 6 points, their best wins to date.
--- about Ohio State, I have always felt that the defending National Champion SHOULD be ranked 1st until they lose.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Considering Miami has played every game in their home State, they have not had a harder schedule than Ohio State. Ohio State had to travel to Washington, in which Washington was riding on a 22 game home win streak. Tough environment. Ohio State also has to play Illinois on the road, another tough team to beat at home. Ohio State will also likely have to play Oregon in the BIG TEN championship game if both teams keep winning.
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Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Ap preseason poll was not very accurate this year.
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I very clearly stated OSU is going to be 1 until they lose. I disagree that should be an automatic number 1 because of the huge amount of roster turnover but Im fine with them at 1.
As for Miami they do have the better wins. I dont really care about that at this point but they were a bad a pick for an unimpressive schedule. They also have maybe the best QB, an elite WR, and some elite defensive talent.
Oregon is the one to argue at this point like PSU was before. Oregons best win by miles is PSU. Their second best is maybe Oregon State that just lost to App State and 3rd maybe Oklahoma State who are terrible.
As for the narrative about Miami only playing games in state its just a bad narrative. Miami to FSU is almost 500 miles which is over twice as far as OSU and Michigan. In state games also means youre playing rivals. Bama and Auburn arent saying at least we dont leave the state when we play. You either have a home game or you dont. Theres no such thing as a home game because of the state
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@Basebal21, you still aren't paying attention.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The best offensive player in the country hands down is Jeremiah Smith.
Miami had to travel 500 miles? Wow. Big ten teams have to travel 5 times that. This past week Washington played at Maryland which is 2,800 miles apart. So you're talking apples and oranges.
Miami plays zero tough games on the road this year except the in state game they had with FSU.
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Smith isnt the best WR in the country hands down. Ryan Williams exists and Miami has a freshman in that class as well but Im guessing you dont know his name. I dont really care how people rank Williams and Smith because its 1a and 1b but the hands down thing like theres a major gap just isnt close to true.
Asa far as travel I can guarantee you Miami would have much rather traveled to UCLA to play a team that hadnt lead for a single second all year than have to go to their actual rival a dangerous talented FSU. Or Maryland or Rutgers take your pick.
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Guess where my beloved alma mater is in the SEC football standings.
Let's just say, in the words of my generation, we bite!
D's: 50P,49S,45D+S,43D,41S,40D,39D+S,38D+S,37D+S,36S,35D+S,all 16-34's
Q's: 52S,47S,46S,40S,39S,38S,37D+S,36D+S,35D,34D,32D+S
74T: 241,435,610,654 97 Finest silver: 115,135,139,145,310
73T:31,55,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,80,152,165,189,213,235,237,257,341,344,377,379,390,422,433,453,480,497,545,554,563,580,606,613,630
95 Ultra GM Sets: Golden Prospects,HR Kings,On-Base Leaders,Power Plus,RBI Kings
Florida State has lost their last two games = paper tiger.
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I hope Illinois shows up at home and plays a good game against OSU, I'm looking forward to this one and don't want to be disappointed like I was when Indiana played the Illini, OSU should win but I hope it's close at least
Pre-season Top 15 alongside the current Top 15:
Texas --- Ohio State. ---Texas is gone.
Ohio State --- Miami(Fla).
Penn State --- Oregon. ---Penn State is gone.
Georgia --- Ole Miss
Notre Dame ---Texas A&M. --- Notre Dame is gone.
Clemson --- Oklahoma. --- Clemson is gone.
Oregon --- Indiana.
Alabama --- Alabama.
LSU --- Texas Tech.
Miami --- Georgia.
Arizona State --- LSU. --- Arizona State is gone.
Illinois ---Tennessee. --- Illinois is gone.
South Carolina ---Georgia Tech. --- South Carolina is gone.
Michigan --- Missouri.
Ole Miss --- Michigan.
So approximately half of the teams the supposed "EXPERTS" determined were the best in the NCAA before the season began are gone after only 6 weeks. That is absolutely terrible prognosticating and these are the people and the system that is used to help determine who gets to play for the National Championship!!! It reeks of bias which always favors teams south of the Mason-Dixon line. If you consider that fully half of the Top 15 ranked teams are from one conference you start to understand because those teams are not the best in the country. But with the current system and the way that teams schedule we never really get to find out who the best teams are.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Seems that one can make the argument that preseason polls are of little value and polling would be better served to start at the end of week 6.
But if that were to come to pass, what would all these experts do? I suppose there are outlets available so they can still hear themselves talk.
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i've lived in Texas my entire life and i've never liked UT, primarily because they are the Dallas Cowboys of college football. if you're not an alum or a fan of that team or university for any reason, i'm here to tell you the hubris that program spews everywhere is insufferable. they go into every season acting like they're about to defend the natty they won the previous year, yet here we are two decades removed from the last time they were on top at the end of a football season.
this year was the most nauseating in recent memory. they were about to unleash their prized possession at quarterback and steamroll everyone on their way to the chip. seriously, that's what that fan base thought. we've barely skimmed the surface of October and their season is all but over. Manning sucks, so does the team, and they aren't even ranked heading into the red river rivalry. not exactly what TU fans had on their bingo card.
it makes me considerably gleeful. if they don't beat OU this weekend, it's gonna get good. really good. you may hear the loudest of explosions no matter where you live
It's crazy, the hype around Arch was all over the place I read some NFL crap about "Should the Jets tank for Arch Manning" before the NCAA season started lol
That kid has done a great job of working himself out of being drafted
Exactly. The so called experts have robbed Ohio State out of about 5 more National Championships since 1998. Other teams have been robbed as well.
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I'm convinced that college football fans are the problem with the world.
They barely lost both to significantly better teams than UCLA. PSU has lost their last two so theyre not even a paper tiger when one of those loses was to an 0-4 team that hadnt had a lead for a single second all year and PSU didnt have a lead against them for a single second
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Its the last name. Peyton and Eli left him off their QB watch list (Eli overrated too) but theres a reason why Archie road the bench for 2 years. Ewers kept suffering bit time injuries and Archie still couldnt win the job and theyd put Ewers back in as fast as possible even before he was 100 percent every time.
The boosters seem to be a lot more in love with him than the coaching staff. Its a shame too because he is costing a very talented roster games. FL has the same issue right now but that one might be more system related
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@coolstanley said: The so called experts have robbed Ohio State out of about 5 more National Championships since 1998. Other teams have been robbed as well.
I can't speak to other conferences and their "grudge matches" between teams, but the voters just need to stop placing emphasis on the Ohio State vs. Michigan game, it is almost like a disconnected part of any season and doesn't show a true picture of Ohio State. If the Buckeyes had their annual embarrassment at the hands of Michigan earlier in the season their Poll position would have historically been better through the years.
Anyone paying attention should see that this season is no different, Ohio State has a better team than Michigan. That doesn't matter. When "THE GAME" gets played in Ann Arbor at the end of November I expect to see the Buckeyes lay another egg. The players will pump themselves full of adrenaline and testosterone and forget their skills while the coaching staff, led by Ryan Day, forget about everything that got the team through the season. They will do like last year, pound the line straight ahead in an attempt to prove that they can run against Michigan. In the meantime Smith and Tate will be used as blockers.
Good job Day, how'd that workout??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Pretty much how last years game went. Terrible game plan by the Buckeye coaches. It also didnt help that the kicker missed two easy field goals.
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Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
Some notable games Saturday
1 Ohio State @ #17 Illinois
8 Alabama @ #14 Missouri
7 Indiana @ #3 Oregon
6 Oklahoma @ Texas (red river shootout)
North Carolina State @ #16 Notre Dame
Florida @ #5 Texas A@M
10 Georgia @ Auburn
15 Michigan @ USC (Feels like a Rose Bowl game)
South Carolina @ #11 LSU
Kansas @ #9 Texas Tech
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Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
I'm not thrilled I got to go on a leaf peeping expedition 2 hours up North into the White Mountains with minimal to no cell reception for most of the day with my girlfriend, I won't be able to catch any of the highlights until we check into our hotel and after meeting her sister and brother in law for dinner, I'm the only Sports guy in the group 🤬
Makes me wonder what kind of a shake-up we'll have after this weekend. If the right(or wrong depending on your perspective) teams lose it will beg the question, does everyone in the SEC just suck this season??
Ohio State --- a 2nd test after the trip to Washington.
Miami (FL) --- bye week, we'll see if they move down as freely as they move up.
Oregon --- if they beat Indiana they should pass idle Miami(Fla) or show the hypocrisy in the voters.
Ole Miss --- playing a West Coast team, but of course it's at home.
Texas A&M --- if the Gators win it will wreck the Poll!!
Oklahoma --- if the Sooners lose it will wreck the Poll, but count on it. This is my upset special.
Indiana --- say goodbye to the Top 10.
Alabama --- another chance for the SEC to eat one of their own.
Texas Tech --- a battle for the Big 12 lead.
Georgia --- never underestimate the power of Georgia to shoot themselves in the foot.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Washington goes to 5-1 with a 38-19 win over Rutgers late Friday night.
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Ole Miss dominating the Cougars 10 to 14 midway through the 3rd at home. Funny.
Dr Shin pulled off another one getting Mateer back way faster than he should have been. Hes also worked on Trout, Curry, Brees
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And due to some of the games today, the question is begged as Alabama beats Missouri by 3 points and Ole Miss beats un-ranked Washington State by 3 points. Also, Alabama's loss to Florida State now looks really bad as the Seminoles lose to un-ranked Pittsburgh by 3 points and will surely drop out of the Top 25. Remember, according to @Basebal21 "Strength of Schedule" is really important.
All that and the 3 o'clock games have just started!! I see another shake-up in the Top 25.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Lane Kiffin not a happy camper as that game went right down to the wire. Washington state was a 33 point underdog.
Alabama squeaks out a 3 point win over Missouri.
Miami's win over Florida State does not look very impressive now as the Seminoles now have 3 losses, as Pitt gets the upset.
Buckeyes will stay at #1 as they get another tough road win spanking Illinois 34-16. Ohio State defense forced 3 tournovers.
New UCLA coach gets another win as UCLA destroys Michigan State.
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Indiana has a halftime lead over the Ducks 13-10.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions