@skier07 said:
Lovely 69-S. CACG 45 is like a PCGS 50 and it has a sticker.
I like the 67 better than the 57. GL with the grades.
I haven’t bought any raw coins off eBay. I don’t want to open another Pandora’s box.
I'm not exactly thrilled with either one of them, but I'm not seeing these dates at the auction houses in the grades I like, so I took a chance. I'm getting old and want to get this set done. I was very happy with the 1869-S. I have an 1864 in G6 that should grade easily. Do I go with that coin or find something in VF.
Tomorrow, I should be receiving this nice 1874-S WB-2 in AG3. It's an upgrade from my Fair-2, which is also decent for the grade. These low-grade coins are nice for illustrating how easy it is to identify these DMs by looking at arrow position.
@Barberian . I am guessing the subtle crreamy luster and the super clean fields are why you like the 1857.
I am a big fan of 1867. I have always found it a difficult date to find nice. I am aslo in the Circ-Cam camp and this one has great eye appeal.
The 1869-s speaks for itself so I don't know why there is such a trend lately to try and do some sort of glamour shots treatment. Beautiful coin as it is. James
We both have the same problem. We’re not getting any younger and time is not on our side. Do I compromise or do I hold out and try to find a better example when it may never be available? Try collecting Liberty Seated Dollars which is a dilemma I face continuously in that series.
@seatedlib3991 said: @Barberian . I am guessing the subtle crreamy luster and the super clean fields are why you like the 1857.
I am a big fan of 1867. I have always found it a difficult date to find nice. I am aslo in the Circ-Cam camp and this one has great eye appeal.
The 1869-s speaks for itself so I don't know why there is such a trend lately to try and do some sort of glamour shots treatment. Beautiful coin as it is. James
The 1867 looks nice in the scan, but when tilted it reveals brighter surfaces and hairlining. It does have a nice circ-cam look to it, has some nice, light blue toning on the periphery of the reverse, and the price was very reasonable. IMO, the seller (a member here), undergraded the coin as "F+" when it is at least a VF25.
The 1857 is original (not dipped) but also shows some hairlining, particularly on the reverse were someone worked on a black spot above the eagle.
The CACG photos for the 69-S are certainly not glamor shots. This coin looks better in-hand.
@skier07 said:
We both have the same problem. We’re not getting any younger and time is not on our side. Do I compromise or do I hold out and try to find a better example when it may never be available? Try collecting Liberty Seated Dollars which is a dilemma I face continuously in that series.
I buy Seated Liberty dollars every now and then because they're so awesome, but I don't attempt to collect the series.
ANACS F15
Here's a new purchase. I believe it is a bit overgraded as an XF40 even with JA's blessing, but I paid up for it because it looks very nice and original. I grade it VF35+. Any opinions on the grade?
1869 NGC XF40 CAC - GFRC photo edited to increase exposure (I have not seen this coin in-hand yet, but GFRC photos tend to be darker than the coin in-hand)
@Barberian said:
Here's a new purchase. I believe it is a bit overgraded as an XF40 even with JA's blessing, but I paid up for it because it looks very nice and original. I grade it VF35+. Any opinions on the grade?
1869 NGC XF40 CAC - GFRC photo edited to increase exposure (I have not seen this coin in-hand yet, but GFRC photos tend to be darker than the coin in-hand)
To me, the reverse is closer to 40, but not quite there by just a feather or two. The quick glance visual impact of the reverse is a strong XF, though. The obverse is an NGC 40 but has a way to go to be a PCGS or CACG 40. I think JA liked the originality of the coin and bumped it.
I agree with the 35 grade. Liberty's leg is too flat for a 40 in my opinion. However, I also don't think a single feature should determine a grade so have no problem with the current grade either. james
Nice looking coin from the photo, although with GFRC until the coin is in hand you never know what you’re really getting. The coin appears to be graded on the slightly generous side.
@seatedlib3991 said:
I agree with the 35 grade. Liberty's leg is too flat for a 40 in my opinion. However, I also don't think a single feature should determine a grade so have no problem with the current grade either. james
The shield lines and LIBERTY bother me as well as the thigh.
@seatedlib3991 said: @Barberian . If by any chance you would be willing to do so. I would love to hear what the depth of color and the amount of residual luster is on that 1878 Half in comparison to it's Great Collections photo. James
PS Congrats on winning again. Looks like a great coin to have in a collection.
Phil's photos are excellent. The color is deep. I'd estimate that 30-40% of the obverse is lustrous, with cartwheeling luster around the devices and lettering. The reverse has perhaps slightly more toning than what shows in the GC photos. The entire reverse cartwheels but it does have some weak areas. There are only a few faint hairlines from a wiping in the past under a 10X scope. I don't like hairlining at all, but these are trivial and don't bother me. All the lines that I suspected to be die breaks are actual die breaks. No scratches. Overall, the coin is nicer than I expected, but maybe it's just having it in hand. I'm absolutely delighted with this coin, and I'll be happily looking at it all weekend.
@skier07 said:
Lovely 69-S. CACG 45 is like a PCGS 50 and it has a sticker.
I like the 67 better than the 57. GL with the grades.
I haven’t bought any raw coins off eBay. I don’t want to open another Pandora’s box.
I should send it back asking for a gold "sticker" for my CACG holder because it's at least an AU50. 45s don't cartwheel like this coin does on the reverse. It has considerably less wear than my nice, but luster-free CACG 45 1874.
@skier07 said:
Nice looking coin from the photo, although with GFRC until the coin is in hand you never know what you’re really getting. The coin appears to be graded on the slightly generous side.
The coin has golden-brown toning, so it's lighter than GF's photos. Despite some juiced contrast, the overall surface detail and relative toning density changes are captured well in his photos. I'm not disappointed with this 1869 AT ALL! It's a great looking coin that I like more and more each time I look at it. I'd grade it a VF35+ myself, I agree the reverse looks like a 40. I bought it for the coin's choice, original look.
@Barberian said:
Here's a new purchase. I believe it is a bit overgraded as an XF40 even with JA's blessing, but I paid up for it because it looks very nice and original. I grade it VF35+. Any opinions on the grade?
1869 NGC XF40 CAC - GFRC photo edited to increase exposure (I have not seen this coin in-hand yet, but GFRC photos tend to be darker than the coin in-hand)
Love the Date: Here is the tougher WB-9
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I just got some grades and images back from a sketchy mixed group of coins I sent to CACG.
I had enough 'faith' in this raw 1856-O WB-9 "Doubled Date" (R2) to buy it, even though it looked like it might be wiped a bit. It arrived, I looked at it dozens of times, had my doubts, but eventually decided that it's color would carry the day despite some light areas of the coin, so I submitted it to CACG. I figured I could test my grading notions vs those of CACG with this coin. Would they grade it with a little light hairlining or scuffs?
CACG XF45 - delighted in the outcome for this raw eBay coin.
Here's another coin I had some reservations about submitting it for CACG grading because of light wiping. The toning and surfaces were nice enough to get the plasti-bean, and at XF40 as well.
CACG XF40
One of my favorite seated Liberty halves, now in a holder worthy of its high quality for the grade.
CACG FR2
This 1874-S WB-5 (R7) just arrived to replace my chrome-bright FR2 details WB-5. @Southcounty spotted it and thought I might be in the market for an upgrade. A few minutes after reading his PM, I was on the phone with the seller and writing a check. Thanks SC!
I have only seen a handfull of CACG graded coins so can't really say much, but I have seen quite a few Seated Halves and will say if those coins are graded right my entire collection is miss graded. James
@Barberian said:
Here are more coins from that submission.
CACG F15
CACG VG10
CACG can't grade seated halves. They're really hung up on a full liberty. The 1844-O and 1859-S are ridiculously graded!
Very nice coins Barberian.
I agree. The 1859-S shows VF30 wear yet is graded 5 steps lower at VG10. The 1844-O is at least VF25.
I thought this coin would grade despite the corrosion in the obverse right field. CAC seems to like signs of corrosion as a sign of originality.
CACG VF20
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I'm not exactly thrilled with either one of them, but I'm not seeing these dates at the auction houses in the grades I like, so I took a chance. I'm getting old and want to get this set done. I was very happy with the 1869-S. I have an 1864 in G6 that should grade easily. Do I go with that coin or find something in VF.
Tomorrow, I should be receiving this nice 1874-S WB-2 in AG3. It's an upgrade from my Fair-2, which is also decent for the grade. These low-grade coins are nice for illustrating how easy it is to identify these DMs by looking at arrow position.
@Barberian . I am guessing the subtle crreamy luster and the super clean fields are why you like the 1857.
I am a big fan of 1867. I have always found it a difficult date to find nice. I am aslo in the Circ-Cam camp and this one has great eye appeal.
The 1869-s speaks for itself so I don't know why there is such a trend lately to try and do some sort of glamour shots treatment. Beautiful coin as it is. James
We both have the same problem. We’re not getting any younger and time is not on our side. Do I compromise or do I hold out and try to find a better example when it may never be available? Try collecting Liberty Seated Dollars which is a dilemma I face continuously in that series.
The 1867 looks nice in the scan, but when tilted it reveals brighter surfaces and hairlining. It does have a nice circ-cam look to it, has some nice, light blue toning on the periphery of the reverse, and the price was very reasonable. IMO, the seller (a member here), undergraded the coin as "F+" when it is at least a VF25.
The 1857 is original (not dipped) but also shows some hairlining, particularly on the reverse were someone worked on a black spot above the eagle.
The CACG photos for the 69-S are certainly not glamor shots. This coin looks better in-hand.
I buy Seated Liberty dollars every now and then because they're so awesome, but I don't attempt to collect the series.
ANACS F15
Here's a new purchase. I believe it is a bit overgraded as an XF40 even with JA's blessing, but I paid up for it because it looks very nice and original. I grade it VF35+. Any opinions on the grade?
1869 NGC XF40 CAC - GFRC photo edited to increase exposure (I have not seen this coin in-hand yet, but GFRC photos tend to be darker than the coin in-hand)
Nice coin, I agree with 35. Reverse is 40 though.
To me, the reverse is closer to 40, but not quite there by just a feather or two. The quick glance visual impact of the reverse is a strong XF, though. The obverse is an NGC 40 but has a way to go to be a PCGS or CACG 40. I think JA liked the originality of the coin and bumped it.
I agree with the 35 grade. Liberty's leg is too flat for a 40 in my opinion. However, I also don't think a single feature should determine a grade so have no problem with the current grade either. james
Nice looking coin from the photo, although with GFRC until the coin is in hand you never know what you’re really getting. The coin appears to be graded on the slightly generous side.
The shield lines and LIBERTY bother me as well as the thigh.
Phil's photos are excellent. The color is deep. I'd estimate that 30-40% of the obverse is lustrous, with cartwheeling luster around the devices and lettering. The reverse has perhaps slightly more toning than what shows in the GC photos. The entire reverse cartwheels but it does have some weak areas. There are only a few faint hairlines from a wiping in the past under a 10X scope. I don't like hairlining at all, but these are trivial and don't bother me. All the lines that I suspected to be die breaks are actual die breaks. No scratches. Overall, the coin is nicer than I expected, but maybe it's just having it in hand. I'm absolutely delighted with this coin, and I'll be happily looking at it all weekend.
@MEJ7070 @CoinHoarder . You 2 are talking my language. Here's to the coins who did their jobs! james
I should send it back asking for a gold "sticker" for my CACG holder because it's at least an AU50. 45s don't cartwheel like this coin does on the reverse. It has considerably less wear than my nice, but luster-free CACG 45 1874.
The coin has golden-brown toning, so it's lighter than GF's photos. Despite some juiced contrast, the overall surface detail and relative toning density changes are captured well in his photos. I'm not disappointed with this 1869 AT ALL! It's a great looking coin that I like more and more each time I look at it. I'd grade it a VF35+ myself, I agree the reverse looks like a 40. I bought it for the coin's choice, original look.
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Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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A raw XF45 1863 from the Reeded Edge.
Brought this little lady home tonight. Newest addition to the Library of Coins album.
Stuart love your 46 dollar, what is it graded?
Two new purchases!!!
New pick up:
Love the Date: Here is the tougher WB-9
A Barber Quartet is made up of Nickels, Dimes, Quarters, and Halves.
Newest addition...
Nice 1863-S! I'm looking for one at the moment and don't see anything as nice and original looking as this coin.
Awesome 63-S! Love the skin on that one.
Here’s its 10c cousin I picked up from a Heritage auction earlier this month:
I bought this raw and of course I won’t post my raw disasters.
62 CAC
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My former employer, Harlan J. Berk, Ltd. in Chicago, has an 1870-S Dollar coming up for sale if anybody is looking for one.
Awesome coin! What a great raw purchase. Here’s my CACG 40, which I like……but frankly, I like yours better!
I just got some grades and images back from a sketchy mixed group of coins I sent to CACG.
I had enough 'faith' in this raw 1856-O WB-9 "Doubled Date" (R2) to buy it, even though it looked like it might be wiped a bit. It arrived, I looked at it dozens of times, had my doubts, but eventually decided that it's color would carry the day despite some light areas of the coin, so I submitted it to CACG. I figured I could test my grading notions vs those of CACG with this coin. Would they grade it with a little light hairlining or scuffs?
CACG XF45 - delighted in the outcome for this raw eBay coin.
Here's another coin I had some reservations about submitting it for CACG grading because of light wiping. The toning and surfaces were nice enough to get the plasti-bean, and at XF40 as well.
CACG XF40
One of my favorite seated Liberty halves, now in a holder worthy of its high quality for the grade.
CACG FR2
It's kinda hammered.
My first thought was proof? Thought maybe the color was interfering with the mirrors.... Either way, dayum
This 1874-S WB-5 (R7) just arrived to replace my chrome-bright FR2 details WB-5. @Southcounty spotted it and thought I might be in the market for an upgrade. A few minutes after reading his PM, I was on the phone with the seller and writing a check. Thanks SC!
Nice coin! Conservatively graded.
Here are more coins from that submission.
CACG F15
CACG VG10
CACG VG10
CACG VF30
CACG can't grade seated halves. They're really hung up on a full liberty. The 1844-O and 1859-S are ridiculously graded!
Very nice coins Barberian.
I have only seen a handfull of CACG graded coins so can't really say much, but I have seen quite a few Seated Halves and will say if those coins are graded right my entire collection is miss graded. James
I agree. The 1859-S shows VF30 wear yet is graded 5 steps lower at VG10. The 1844-O is at least VF25.
I thought this coin would grade despite the corrosion in the obverse right field. CAC seems to like signs of corrosion as a sign of originality.
CACG VF20