Browning is a capable QB, I remember him from last year or the year before
If I'm the Bengals I'm keeping what I have on offense intact and trading Burrow in the off-season, He is a great QB but I wouldn't want to.continue dealing with his inability to stay on the field
@perkdog said: If I'm the Bengals I'm keeping what I have on offense intact and trading Burrow in the off-season, He is a great QB but I wouldn't want to.continue dealing with his inability to stay on the field
That is radical thinking but I think it makes sense. The Bengals have done a lot of tinkering to get the right pieces and the key keeps being out of the lineup, it has to be frustrating. It reminds me of guys I have worked with in my life: they could perform the job with the best of them but they always seemed to have the "flu" or a "relative was dying" with regularity. Good workers and great guys, just wholly unreliable.
I doubt the Bengals will trade Burrow. I think it's sort of intriguing that 2 starting QB's went down on Sunday and their teams will now face each other.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
i was so wrong about the Bake Show. i may have even called him Manziel part deux back when he was in Cleveland. they flashed a stat last night that said he had thrown more TD passes than any other QB in the past handful of years.
but the play that will forever change my perception of him was 4th & 10 play last night when he somehow eluded defenders and scampered 15 yards to keep the (game-winning) drive alive........when his mobility was compromised due to being drilled all game long
he is a scrappy winner.........something i never thought i'd say about him
@perkdog said:
Browning is a capable QB, I remember him from last year or the year before
If I'm the Bengals I'm keeping what I have on offense intact and trading Burrow in the off-season, He is a great QB but I wouldn't want to.continue dealing with his inability to stay on the field
Trade Burrow and figure it out
I visited a Bengals fan site to get an idea on how Cincy fans thought about Browning taking over and it seemed like the consensus thought that he could be a serviceable fill-in but the team’s ceiling will be much lower. Like the playoffs could be a real possibility (especially when they already have a 2-0 record) but a SB appearance led by Browning is extremely unlikely.
There were numerous reports over the summer that the Bengals really weren’t too interested in extending Higgins and only did so because Burrow kept lobbying for Tee. If all of that was true then these next couple months would seem like the perfect time to make that decision on trading him or not while Burrow’s rehabbing and may not be around as much.
The Bengals are sort of in the same situation as the Celtics are, star player out long term and while playoffs a possibility, definitely not guaranteed. Might as well regroup at some point and start thinking about the roster for when your guy gets back.
If browning excels and the postseason looks like a lock, keep the band together for sure but if they’re 2-3 games under .500, selling of Higgins & Hendrickson should give them plenty of picks to rebuild the defense & OL.
I visited a Bengals fan site to get an idea on how Cincy fans thought about Browning taking over and it seemed like the consensus thought that he could be a serviceable fill-in but the team’s ceiling will be much lower
i didn't watch that game, but i caught wind of this after it was over: when Browning entered the game, Cincy was down a touchdown. he proceeded to throw 3 interceptions and they won.
I visited a Bengals fan site to get an idea on how Cincy fans thought about Browning taking over and it seemed like the consensus thought that he could be a serviceable fill-in but the team’s ceiling will be much lower
i didn't watch that game, but i caught wind of this after it was over: when Browning entered the game, Cincy was down a touchdown. he proceeded to throw 3 interceptions and they won.
A lot of their sentiment towards Browning seemed like it was more of a big picture thing over how he played in that one game. It didn’t seem like there was much optimism.
I didn’t watch that game but I’m guessing his nerves must have been jacked up after getting thrown out there after Burrow went down. Knowing & preparing to be the starter for the foreseeable future will probably settle him down a bit.
Mahomes is 29th in completion percentage (58.8) and 22nd in yards per attempt (6.5)
the offense is 25th in scoring (19 ppg)
the defense is 19th in points allowed (23.5) and 23rd in defensive EPA (minus-7.1 per 100 snaps)
just imagine if they find a way to lose to the Giants. on deck are the Ravens.
hellooo 0-4
Chiefs opened up -5.5 on the road against the Giants.
Tough to see the Giants winning this game, but not an impossibility either.
Would Andy Reid get fired if he loses this game? Of course not, but if the Chiefs lose, I'm sure for at least a brief second the Chiefs owner would be thinking about it. LOL
@Maywood said: @perkdog said: If I'm the Bengals I'm keeping what I have on offense intact and trading Burrow in the off-season, He is a great QB but I wouldn't want to.continue dealing with his inability to stay on the field
That is radical thinking but I think it makes sense. The Bengals have done a lot of tinkering to get the right pieces and the key keeps being out of the lineup, it has to be frustrating. It reminds me of guys I have worked with in my life: they could perform the job with the best of them but they always seemed to have the "flu" or a "relative was dying" with regularity. Good workers and great guys, just wholly unreliable.
I doubt the Bengals will trade Burrow. I think it's sort of intriguing that 2 starting QB's went down on Sunday and their teams will now face each other.
I worked with plenty of guys like that especially at the Jail
Some were legit but a LOT were just unreliable with everything.
My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
I would think you would have as good a perspective on Reid as anyone here. I do remember him being known as choking/making poor decisions during his stint with the eagles.
I always think players are more important than coaches, but poor coaching decisions can certainly affect games
My 2 mills opinion is Pat Mahomes may win another Super Bowl before he's finished his NFL career. Certainly no stretch of the imagination.
However, he won't do it this year, he won't do it with Andy Reid as head coach, and he may only do it with another team.
Frankly, Reid is now doing the exact same chit when he was on the decline with the Eagles. For example in today's game, that onside kick was highly puzzling and unnecessary. I'm glad he did it. Also he used his three time outs way too early. I'm glad he did that as well.
I'm not taking anything away from your Eagles but the game was 20-17
If Kelce hasn't dropped that ball that literally every finger on his hand touched it might have been a different conversation this AM, also the Chiefs were vastly understaffed without Rice and Worthy - both starting WR's
Tough start for the Chiefs, which I love because I'm not a fan of them but I don't think they are as bad as their 0-2 start
Valid points. I just see "signs", similar to other great coaches of the past who have been fired after long periods of success, including championships, with their team. And of course Reid's age and physical condition, mentioned before, shouldn't be ignored.
One thing about virtually all NFL owners, they have short memories, and if they see their team on the decline with a particular coach, despite the past achievements, they usually get rid of him.
I realize all the extenuating circumstances such as the injuries, etc. However many NFL owners are prima donnas and don't want to hear excuses, they only want to see wins.
It will be the same thing as in New England with Mahomes, lots of people thought if the Pats didn't win a Super Bowl then there is a problem and this was because we had Tom Brady and the thought process was "everything should be good"
"They got Mahomes" they should be in the Super Bowl!!!
It won't be a happy ending in KC just like it wasn't in New England
Excellent analogy. I was always a Belichick fan. However it was obvious that towards the end even before Brady was let go, that Belichick was losing his various coaching skills which had made him a top coach. Especially his drafts.
When a head coach gets up in age they simply lose the energy, the mental capacity, and other factors to make the right decisions to be better than the other coaches. Belichick also should have known that even though Brady was older, that Tom still had a lot of juice left in the tank. Yea sure, the old adage that it's better to release a player too soon than too late may be true in most cases. But Brady was unique with his work ethic and more, and Belichick should have realized that.
A NFL coach, I don't think it's even remotely debatable, is the toughest coaching job in professional team sports. Who knows, maybe Andy, gets on a diet and weight program, which would sharpen up his brain a little bit to keep him at the top, but I doubt it. He likes those chocolate milkshakes and apple pies too much.
2 things about Bills relationship with Tom:
He was jealous. 2 alphas can only coexist for so long together
Bill, I think, was only looking at Toms age at the end. Athleticism is not what Made Brady the best. It was near perfect mechanics and lightning quick processing skills (probably the best of all time) I think many great QB's rely on superior athleticism to excel, and that is fine, it just does not age well. that is why most are washed by mid to late 30's.
not so with Tom. I think that is why current players like Allen, Lamar, Hurts, Mahomes etc. need to work so much harder on mechanics if playing great into their late 30's-40's is a priority. I see those guys miss open recievers fairly often when they are in the pocket and not even under great pressure. it is a lack of mechanics. often, the really athletic QBs excell best when plays break down and they are scrambling and the defense is backpeddling. as their athletisicm decreases with age and injuries, those opportunuties will also decrease.
From the outside looking in I think the reason Brady didn't finish his career in New England was simply because the Pats didn't want to give him the number of years he wanted. I think too much was made about it being the relationship between Belichick and Brady. I think Brady made the most of it. What a feather in your cap to go to another team and win a SB. Had luck stumbled in the other direction people would be talking about how Brady was nothing and it was Belichick's system. The mob is fickle.
11 - 21 - 159 yrds 2 Int - 3 fumbles - did I read that right?
Oh, I think only one fumble?
At least he might get to 300 yards for the season his next game lol
Cant imagine Jefferson is going to be happy for very long
McCarthy's been ruled out next week with a sprained ankle. Just announced at the Monday press conference by coach O'Connell.
He might have just lost his job being out 2-4 weeks with Wentz stepping in against a Bengals team with no Burrow either
I guess that would mean Wentz is finally getting back to where he was supposed to be 4...5 no 8 years ago?
I seriously doubt it. Minnesota seems pretty insistent on McCarthy.
Personally, if Wentz can do a better job, I am all for it!
Team is pretty banged up right now. But I suppose a lot of teams are.
GO VIKINGS!
They definitely are invested in McCarthy with how much they paid him and where they drafted him.
But if Wentz has a good game or two while hes out unless he gets hurt as well I dont see them changing back. Jefferson will very likely have a big say in who he wants as the QB even if its just behind closed doors.
Everyone wrote off Darnold then he showed up to the Vikings and was a stud. This feels like a squeal to that
Mahomes is 29th in completion percentage (58.8) and 22nd in yards per attempt (6.5)
the offense is 25th in scoring (19 ppg)
the defense is 19th in points allowed (23.5) and 23rd in defensive EPA (minus-7.1 per 100 snaps)
just imagine if they find a way to lose to the Giants. on deck are the Ravens.
hellooo 0-4
Chiefs opened up -5.5 on the road against the Giants.
Tough to see the Giants winning this game, but not an impossibility either.
Would Andy Reid get fired if he loses this game? Of course not, but if the Chiefs lose, I'm sure for at least a brief second the Chiefs owner would be thinking about it. LOL
Even winning this week leaves them at 1-2 and Baltimore next week. It’s quite possible they start 1-3. Bigger picture is if KC wins both are 2-2. Buffalo should take care of business with Miami and New Orleans meaning Buffalo could have a 2 game lead on KC and a 2.5 game lead on Baltimore for the #1 seed.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Andrew Berry and Jimmy Haslam made a calculated and short-sighted assessment of Mayfield after his shoulder injury. Where once they drafted him as the long term franchise QB they never allowed him to rehab in their rush to success. The end result is a boatload of wasted cash by Haslam, poor talent evaluation by Berry and further success by Baker Mayfield.
The worst part of that whole thing is that the "experiment wide receiver" Mayfield was throwing to, Anthony Schwartz, stopped on his route which led to the INT, then made a half-hearted attempt to chase down the defender. The end result was an injured QB and a WR who's short lived NFL playing time ended the next season. Hind-sight always being 20/20, I would have kept Mayfield. No hind-sight needed about Schwartz, I would have benched him after the play and released him after the game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I take back everything negative that I said about Joe Flacco. He is whatever I was told he was. I don't think he's as bad as Week 2, but he's not much better. He plays the same but the difference between the Browns almost winning and not being in the contest is whether he turns the ball over or not. I think the right move is to put Sanders in there and see if he's made of magic. It would be more fun at least.
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I guess that would mean Wentz is finally getting back to where he was supposed to be 4...5 no 8 years ago?
I seriously doubt it. Minnesota seems pretty insistent on McCarthy.
Personally, if Wentz can do a better job, I am all for it!
Team is pretty banged up right now. But I suppose a lot of teams are.
GO VIKINGS!
Browning is a capable QB, I remember him from last year or the year before
If I'm the Bengals I'm keeping what I have on offense intact and trading Burrow in the off-season, He is a great QB but I wouldn't want to.continue dealing with his inability to stay on the field
Trade Burrow and figure it out
Almost hard to believe that Wentz is still in the league, considering his propensity to injury. Which was even prevalent for him in college.
@perkdog said: If I'm the Bengals I'm keeping what I have on offense intact and trading Burrow in the off-season, He is a great QB but I wouldn't want to.continue dealing with his inability to stay on the field
That is radical thinking but I think it makes sense. The Bengals have done a lot of tinkering to get the right pieces and the key keeps being out of the lineup, it has to be frustrating. It reminds me of guys I have worked with in my life: they could perform the job with the best of them but they always seemed to have the "flu" or a "relative was dying" with regularity. Good workers and great guys, just wholly unreliable.
I doubt the Bengals will trade Burrow. I think it's sort of intriguing that 2 starting QB's went down on Sunday and their teams will now face each other.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
i was so wrong about the Bake Show. i may have even called him Manziel part deux back when he was in Cleveland. they flashed a stat last night that said he had thrown more TD passes than any other QB in the past handful of years.
but the play that will forever change my perception of him was 4th & 10 play last night when he somehow eluded defenders and scampered 15 yards to keep the (game-winning) drive alive........when his mobility was compromised due to being drilled all game long
he is a scrappy winner.........something i never thought i'd say about him
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I visited a Bengals fan site to get an idea on how Cincy fans thought about Browning taking over and it seemed like the consensus thought that he could be a serviceable fill-in but the team’s ceiling will be much lower. Like the playoffs could be a real possibility (especially when they already have a 2-0 record) but a SB appearance led by Browning is extremely unlikely.
There were numerous reports over the summer that the Bengals really weren’t too interested in extending Higgins and only did so because Burrow kept lobbying for Tee. If all of that was true then these next couple months would seem like the perfect time to make that decision on trading him or not while Burrow’s rehabbing and may not be around as much.
The Bengals are sort of in the same situation as the Celtics are, star player out long term and while playoffs a possibility, definitely not guaranteed. Might as well regroup at some point and start thinking about the roster for when your guy gets back.
If browning excels and the postseason looks like a lock, keep the band together for sure but if they’re 2-3 games under .500, selling of Higgins & Hendrickson should give them plenty of picks to rebuild the defense & OL.
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i didn't watch that game, but i caught wind of this after it was over: when Browning entered the game, Cincy was down a touchdown. he proceeded to throw 3 interceptions and they won.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
A lot of their sentiment towards Browning seemed like it was more of a big picture thing over how he played in that one game. It didn’t seem like there was much optimism.
I didn’t watch that game but I’m guessing his nerves must have been jacked up after getting thrown out there after Burrow went down. Knowing & preparing to be the starter for the foreseeable future will probably settle him down a bit.
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KC Chiefs thru 2 games:
Mahomes is 29th in completion percentage (58.8) and 22nd in yards per attempt (6.5)
the offense is 25th in scoring (19 ppg)
the defense is 19th in points allowed (23.5) and 23rd in defensive EPA (minus-7.1 per 100 snaps)
just imagine if they find a way to lose to the Giants. on deck are the Ravens.
hellooo 0-4
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Chiefs opened up -5.5 on the road against the Giants.
Tough to see the Giants winning this game, but not an impossibility either.
Would Andy Reid get fired if he loses this game? Of course not, but if the Chiefs lose, I'm sure for at least a brief second the Chiefs owner would be thinking about it. LOL
I worked with plenty of guys like that especially at the Jail
Some were legit but a LOT were just unreliable with everything.
"The best ability is availability"
I would think you would have as good a perspective on Reid as anyone here. I do remember him being known as choking/making poor decisions during his stint with the eagles.
I always think players are more important than coaches, but poor coaching decisions can certainly affect games
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
2 things about Bills relationship with Tom:
He was jealous. 2 alphas can only coexist for so long together
Bill, I think, was only looking at Toms age at the end. Athleticism is not what Made Brady the best. It was near perfect mechanics and lightning quick processing skills (probably the best of all time) I think many great QB's rely on superior athleticism to excel, and that is fine, it just does not age well. that is why most are washed by mid to late 30's.
not so with Tom. I think that is why current players like Allen, Lamar, Hurts, Mahomes etc. need to work so much harder on mechanics if playing great into their late 30's-40's is a priority. I see those guys miss open recievers fairly often when they are in the pocket and not even under great pressure. it is a lack of mechanics. often, the really athletic QBs excell best when plays break down and they are scrambling and the defense is backpeddling. as their athletisicm decreases with age and injuries, those opportunuties will also decrease.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I cant imagine they would lose to the giants. could they...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
From the outside looking in I think the reason Brady didn't finish his career in New England was simply because the Pats didn't want to give him the number of years he wanted. I think too much was made about it being the relationship between Belichick and Brady. I think Brady made the most of it. What a feather in your cap to go to another team and win a SB. Had luck stumbled in the other direction people would be talking about how Brady was nothing and it was Belichick's system. The mob is fickle.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
He plays hero ball like he invented it
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The Patriots need their own level just below Frisky titled Frisky but not as Frisky as the Raiders.
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They definitely are invested in McCarthy with how much they paid him and where they drafted him.
But if Wentz has a good game or two while hes out unless he gets hurt as well I dont see them changing back. Jefferson will very likely have a big say in who he wants as the QB even if its just behind closed doors.
Everyone wrote off Darnold then he showed up to the Vikings and was a stud. This feels like a squeal to that
Fire AJ Preller
Even winning this week leaves them at 1-2 and Baltimore next week. It’s quite possible they start 1-3. Bigger picture is if KC wins both are 2-2. Buffalo should take care of business with Miami and New Orleans meaning Buffalo could have a 2 game lead on KC and a 2.5 game lead on Baltimore for the #1 seed.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Andrew Berry and Jimmy Haslam made a calculated and short-sighted assessment of Mayfield after his shoulder injury. Where once they drafted him as the long term franchise QB they never allowed him to rehab in their rush to success. The end result is a boatload of wasted cash by Haslam, poor talent evaluation by Berry and further success by Baker Mayfield.
The worst part of that whole thing is that the "experiment wide receiver" Mayfield was throwing to, Anthony Schwartz, stopped on his route which led to the INT, then made a half-hearted attempt to chase down the defender. The end result was an injured QB and a WR who's short lived NFL playing time ended the next season. Hind-sight always being 20/20, I would have kept Mayfield. No hind-sight needed about Schwartz, I would have benched him after the play and released him after the game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I take back everything negative that I said about Joe Flacco. He is whatever I was told he was. I don't think he's as bad as Week 2, but he's not much better. He plays the same but the difference between the Browns almost winning and not being in the contest is whether he turns the ball over or not. I think the right move is to put Sanders in there and see if he's made of magic. It would be more fun at least.