@UFFDAH said:
As my Dad would say. "Buy quality desirable land, the Good Lord isn't making anymore of it". The same holds true with unopened. By quality, desirable unopened and it will go up in value. Its a simple philosophy.
Just met with my accountant and told him I liked the letter his company sent, one thing they mentioned was this:
TAX RATE CAPITAL GAIN
Lower tax rates for dividend and capital gain income have been made permanent. For some taxpayers
the capital gain rate could be zero.
So I told him its nice that I'll have a low or zero capital gain rate because I made a lot of profit selling
Mahomes rookies in 2020. He said my rate is 28% because they're a collectible.
I said then why did your letter say that for some taxpayers the capital gain rate could be zero. He said that's land.
My two cents: vintage unopened product will never decrease in value; with ever rip the supply continually decreases. Demand jumped from niche to mainstream many years ago and has never turned back.
"Must these Englishmen Live That I Might Die? Must They Live That I Might Die?" - The Blue Oyster Cult
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
I started out helping a friend get some unopened packs and boxes for their kids birthday and quickly found out how hard it is to find them due to flippers being overly aggressive and buying up the basketball and football to resell quickly.
I started to think I would just save the unopened packages and put them away in my closet.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
See also: 1981 topps baseball.
The only vending fasc I can find is $800/box. Wax and cello boxes are up HUGE too.
I bought a sealed vending case last November; I’ve yet to see any other cases come up since. 🤷♂️
@Rofles said:
See also: 1981 topps baseball.
The only vending fasc I can find is $800/box. Wax and cello boxes are up HUGE too.
I bought a sealed vending case last November; I’ve yet to see any other cases come up since. 🤷♂️
81 vending boxes FASC sell for about $400. A few have sold on ebay over past month.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
Yes hobby boxes are better or at least more valuable than retail boxes. Since 1996 Topps chrome basketball was released that has always been the case which is the first hobby vs. retail issue I’m aware of.
1981 Topps baseball unopened wax boxes were $260 in July of 2017 when this thread started and hit $1,500 in the last month. And that almost 600% performance is for the worst rookie class of the 1980’s.
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
Yes hobby boxes are better or at least more valuable than retail boxes. Since 1996 Topps chrome basketball was released that has always been the case which is the first hobby vs. retail issue I’m aware of.
1981 Topps baseball unopened wax boxes were $260 in July of 2017 when this thread started and hit $1,500 in the last month. And that almost 600% performance is for the worst rookie class of the 1980’s.
i think this used to be true. however, id say that since 2018 just as many big hits overall have started to be found back in retail. even certain products, ie 2018 topps chrome update, were retail only. and that was one of the best baseball releases in a long, long time.
the vast lines at target would echo these sentiments. rtimmer isnt wrong about hobby being king however, i think the manufacturers started to wise up and the tide has definitely shifted back towards retail. especially w the prices that tend to be associated w hobby boxes.
however, i would not be going big on 2021 prizm basketball or 2021 topps update at all. imo, thats a flip immediately situation. if youre wanting to put away wax and for similar prices, youre prolly best off doing a lil homework and go w some ‘87 product. then once comfy, going further back from there.
looking at the recent auction of the rea auctions it looks like the unopened markett is really going up. the prices of some of the unopened boxes and factory sets it just really unreal how much money people are paying. even eighties boxes are going for premium prices.
No one could have predicted what would happen before 2020 changed everything. The massive upswing in pricing post-COVID was never a part of the original argument. But, one thing is abundantly clear: Unopened is, and always has been a blue chip investment. Ownership of great quality product is a guarantee of future increased value of holdings. Some of y'all must stare at your hordes of stuff and just smile ear to ear. I know I do. Reflecting on the days when vintage product was readily available or the forum was doing group box and case breaks seem a long way gone. It was really cool when it happened.
@UFFDAH said:
It will continue to go up per Grote and me opening it up. 🤣
I am a reformed ripper aside from special occasions/circumstances
The correct answer, always, to the OP's question with regard to vintage unopened product, is up.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I was planning to rip my PSA 59 football cello, with what happening with junk era stuff, I dont think so anymore. I was thinking the same with my BBCE 91 Topps Desert Shield packs, its not looking like it either.
I can agree that its valuable and increasing in value but I dont get it. If you open unopened its instantly less valuable and its known, on average, that what is inside an old unopened pack is nowhere near the value of the unopened pack. With PSA's changing of grading standards to make quality raw vintage less valuable post-grading than it was in the past, the stuff inside unopened is depreciating, not appreciating, while the value of unopened is appreciating.
It sure is a lot of fun to open. Maybe that is all that matters.
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I can agree that its valuable and increasing in value but I dont get it. If you open unopened its instantly less valuable and its known, on average, that what is inside an old unopened pack is nowhere near the value of the unopened pack. With PSA's changing of grading standards to make quality raw vintage less valuable post-grading than it was in the past, the stuff inside unopened is depreciating, not appreciating, while the value of unopened is appreciating.
It sure is a lot of fun to open. Maybe that is all that matters.
Unopened is, in and of itself, a collectible. Sure the contents are likely worth less than the pack but owning a factory sealed pack manufactured decades ago is super cool. Who can look at this pack and not say how cool it is in its unopened state?
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I can agree that its valuable and increasing in value but I dont get it. If you open unopened its instantly less valuable and its known, on average, that what is inside an old unopened pack is nowhere near the value of the unopened pack. With PSA's changing of grading standards to make quality raw vintage less valuable post-grading than it was in the past, the stuff inside unopened is depreciating, not appreciating, while the value of unopened is appreciating.
Logically you are correct the sum in most unopened will be worth more than the parts.
I will add the cards inside are depreciating due to 4/5 being the new 8 and 5/6/7 being the new 9 for all but the largest entities. Oddly by the book 1,2,3,4,5 vintage still seem to score the same grades now as then
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I can agree that its valuable and increasing in value but I dont get it. If you open unopened its instantly less valuable and its known, on average, that what is inside an old unopened pack is nowhere near the value of the unopened pack. With PSA's changing of grading standards to make quality raw vintage less valuable post-grading than it was in the past, the stuff inside unopened is depreciating, not appreciating, while the value of unopened is appreciating.
It sure is a lot of fun to open. Maybe that is all that matters.
For real. Used yo be generally a 50/50 you could rip, grade and do alright. With tighter grading standards (and especially on vintage) it’s almost impossible to come out ahead.
That’s a super bummer because I’d much rather rip than keep unopened. So much more fun.
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I can agree that its valuable and increasing in value but I dont get it. If you open unopened its instantly less valuable and its known, on average, that what is inside an old unopened pack is nowhere near the value of the unopened pack. With PSA's changing of grading standards to make quality raw vintage less valuable post-grading than it was in the past, the stuff inside unopened is depreciating, not appreciating, while the value of unopened is appreciating.
It sure is a lot of fun to open. Maybe that is all that matters.
I used to feel the same way, but my thoughts have changed after reading \learning about unopened on this message board. Unopened is really not about the contents, it is about the whole package and the extreme rarity of it being intact.
It is kind of like the schrodingers cat. The pack can both contain and not contain that 1975 Brett rookie as long as it is unopened
I think early to mid 80s baseball is going to continue to climb in value, just as 70s unopened did not that long ago.
I recently looked back at a group rip here on these boards and I was buying early 80s Topps, fleer, and Donruss wax and cello packs for $1-4 each. Now they are going for $10-35 each depending on the issue and year.
What I Collect:
PSA HOF Baseball Postwar Rookies Set Registry- (Currently 80.51% Complete)
PSA Pro Football HOF Rookie Players Set Registry- (Currently 19.80% Complete)
PSA Basketball HOF Players Rookies Set Registry- (Currently 6.02% Complete)
Recent auction results indicate that it's going up again, after a brief retreat post-COVID for some of the early 80's stuff. The 70's and earlier is going into the stratosphere. Early-mid 80s stuff is starting to climb, with a standout being 83. The 1983 cardboard header rack box in the BBCE auction went for over $3,000 a week or so ago. That's got to be a new record for that box. People are still ripping everything from the 80s, so its supply continues to lessen as demand appears to increase. That's a good formula for seeing price increases. Even humble 1986 Topps, which has always been my favorite, has been having a moment recently. Boxes that you could get for less than $100 6-12 months ago are now $150-200.
kevin
@tulsaboy said:
Recent auction results indicate that it's going up again, after a brief retreat post-COVID for some of the early 80's stuff. The 70's and earlier is going into the stratosphere. Early-mid 80s stuff is starting to climb, with a standout being 83. The 1983 cardboard header rack box in the BBCE auction went for over $3,000 a week or so ago. That's got to be a new record for that box. People are still ripping everything from the 80s, so its supply continues to lessen as demand appears to increase. That's a good formula for seeing price increases. Even humble 1986 Topps, which has always been my favorite, has been having a moment recently. Boxes that you could get for less than $100 6-12 months ago are now $150-200.
kevin
Wow. I didn't see that for the 83 box. That's crazy pricing for that, right? There has to be tons of those out there to buy. The 83 set may be the most iconic of the decade though so I get why it's so desirable.
I keep waiting on the 82 Topps and Traded Ripkens to have the sort of lift off in prices. Compared to some other early 80s rookies it seems his are undervalued right now.
@tulsaboy said:
Recent auction results indicate that it's going up again, after a brief retreat post-COVID for some of the early 80's stuff. The 70's and earlier is going into the stratosphere. Early-mid 80s stuff is starting to climb, with a standout being 83. The 1983 cardboard header rack box in the BBCE auction went for over $3,000 a week or so ago. That's got to be a new record for that box. People are still ripping everything from the 80s, so its supply continues to lessen as demand appears to increase. That's a good formula for seeing price increases. Even humble 1986 Topps, which has always been my favorite, has been having a moment recently. Boxes that you could get for less than $100 6-12 months ago are now $150-200.
kevin
Wow. I didn't see that for the 83 box. That's crazy pricing for that, right? There has to be tons of those out there to buy. The 83 set may be the most iconic of the decade though so I get why it's so desirable.
I keep waiting on the 82 Topps and Traded Ripkens to have the sort of lift off in prices. Compared to some other early 80s rookies it seems his are undervalued right now.
@tulsaboy said:
Recent auction results indicate that it's going up again, after a brief retreat post-COVID for some of the early 80's stuff. The 70's and earlier is going into the stratosphere. Early-mid 80s stuff is starting to climb, with a standout being 83. The 1983 cardboard header rack box in the BBCE auction went for over $3,000 a week or so ago. That's got to be a new record for that box. People are still ripping everything from the 80s, so its supply continues to lessen as demand appears to increase. That's a good formula for seeing price increases. Even humble 1986 Topps, which has always been my favorite, has been having a moment recently. Boxes that you could get for less than $100 6-12 months ago are now $150-200.
kevin
Wow. I didn't see that for the 83 box. That's crazy pricing for that, right? There has to be tons of those out there to buy. The 83 set may be the most iconic of the decade though so I get why it's so desirable.
I keep waiting on the 82 Topps and Traded Ripkens to have the sort of lift off in prices. Compared to some other early 80s rookies it seems his are undervalued right now.
That was nuts. The funny part is that I won a 1983 Michigan box BBCE FASC in that same auction for "only" 1K. There appears to be an influx of big money into the unopened arena again. A PSA 8 73 cello with Clemente on top sold for nearly 10K last night at HA.
To me, unopened has always been about owning the cards in their original, packaged form. The occasional rip is fun but nothing beats unopened, at least for me.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
$3808 for a 1983 Topps unopened rack box is insanity. Those racks aren't worth $150 plus each. Not a chance. There are thousands upon thousands of them. They are not rare. Anything but. I love unopened, love early 80s product, but that price is just silly. Clearly some folks who don't know better got into a bidding war and it got out of hand. That's not anywhere close to the recent market price for that issue, even for cardboard header racks.
kevin
No doubt. I was shocked a few weeks ago on here when a bunch of 83 grocery racks sold for almost $50/pack. I thought that was a huge jump but $150/pack is super crazy.
HA ended on Sunday and there were vending boxes from the early 70's that were 3X from last year. Apparently, there is a big buyer out there wanting older unopened.
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
Comments
Just met with my accountant and told him I liked the letter his company sent, one thing they mentioned was this:
TAX RATE CAPITAL GAIN
Lower tax rates for dividend and capital gain income have been made permanent. For some taxpayers
the capital gain rate could be zero.
So I told him its nice that I'll have a low or zero capital gain rate because I made a lot of profit selling
Mahomes rookies in 2020. He said my rate is 28% because they're a collectible.
I said then why did your letter say that for some taxpayers the capital gain rate could be zero. He said that's land.
@Darin - yeah that's the other thing philosophy wise. You live, you die and pay taxes. Its not easy thats for sure.
gonna settle this debate for the crisser for once and for all...
i guarantee that the unopened market in the next 100 years will go:
way up
down a tad
back up
stall
down a bit
up just a little
way back up
worthless.
wars fought for it simply for its amazing kindling properties.
i will check back in feb 5th, 2121 to say i told you so, if we have power.
My two cents: vintage unopened product will never decrease in value; with ever rip the supply continually decreases. Demand jumped from niche to mainstream many years ago and has never turned back.
How many times has unopened gone up 20% since the first post? I don’t think criss could press a barbell that many times.
Wow.
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=80768
Even bigger WOW.
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=80740
So I guess as close to FASC making a full box 80,000.00
Glad I picked one up for 1000.00 when I did
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
I started out helping a friend get some unopened packs and boxes for their kids birthday and quickly found out how hard it is to find them due to flippers being overly aggressive and buying up the basketball and football to resell quickly.
I started to think I would just save the unopened packages and put them away in my closet.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
Join the Rookie stars on top PSA registry today:
1980-1989 Cello Packs - Rookies
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
See also: 1981 topps baseball.
The only vending fasc I can find is $800/box. Wax and cello boxes are up HUGE too.
I bought a sealed vending case last November; I’ve yet to see any other cases come up since. 🤷♂️
81 vending boxes FASC sell for about $400. A few have sold on ebay over past month.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=1981+topps+baseball+vending+box+bbce&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=11713&_sargn=-1&saslc=1&_salic=1&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200&LH_Complete=1&_fosrp=1
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Yes hobby boxes are better or at least more valuable than retail boxes. Since 1996 Topps chrome basketball was released that has always been the case which is the first hobby vs. retail issue I’m aware of.
1981 Topps baseball unopened wax boxes were $260 in July of 2017 when this thread started and hit $1,500 in the last month. And that almost 600% performance is for the worst rookie class of the 1980’s.
Join the Rookie stars on top PSA registry today:
1980-1989 Cello Packs - Rookies
i think this used to be true. however, id say that since 2018 just as many big hits overall have started to be found back in retail. even certain products, ie 2018 topps chrome update, were retail only. and that was one of the best baseball releases in a long, long time.
the vast lines at target would echo these sentiments. rtimmer isnt wrong about hobby being king however, i think the manufacturers started to wise up and the tide has definitely shifted back towards retail. especially w the prices that tend to be associated w hobby boxes.
however, i would not be going big on 2021 prizm basketball or 2021 topps update at all. imo, thats a flip immediately situation. if youre wanting to put away wax and for similar prices, youre prolly best off doing a lil homework and go w some ‘87 product. then once comfy, going further back from there.
@grote15, guess I need to expand my search parameters! LOL.
Glad this post aged well👍
Join the Rookie stars on top PSA registry today:
1980-1989 Cello Packs - Rookies
looking at the recent auction of the rea auctions it looks like the unopened markett is really going up. the prices of some of the unopened boxes and factory sets it just really unreal how much money people are paying. even eighties boxes are going for premium prices.
It will continue to go up per Grote and me opening it up. 🤣
No one could have predicted what would happen before 2020 changed everything. The massive upswing in pricing post-COVID was never a part of the original argument. But, one thing is abundantly clear: Unopened is, and always has been a blue chip investment. Ownership of great quality product is a guarantee of future increased value of holdings. Some of y'all must stare at your hordes of stuff and just smile ear to ear. I know I do. Reflecting on the days when vintage product was readily available or the forum was doing group box and case breaks seem a long way gone. It was really cool when it happened.
Farewell Ryno.
I am a reformed ripper aside from special occasions/circumstances
The correct answer, always, to the OP's question with regard to vintage unopened product, is up.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
LMAO.
I am curious, what is your special occasions and circumstances? And what is your ultimate best rip? You have to have some good rips??
I was planning to rip my PSA 59 football cello, with what happening with junk era stuff, I dont think so anymore. I was thinking the same with my BBCE 91 Topps Desert Shield packs, its not looking like it either.
I can agree that its valuable and increasing in value but I dont get it. If you open unopened its instantly less valuable and its known, on average, that what is inside an old unopened pack is nowhere near the value of the unopened pack. With PSA's changing of grading standards to make quality raw vintage less valuable post-grading than it was in the past, the stuff inside unopened is depreciating, not appreciating, while the value of unopened is appreciating.
It sure is a lot of fun to open. Maybe that is all that matters.
Unopened is, in and of itself, a collectible. Sure the contents are likely worth less than the pack but owning a factory sealed pack manufactured decades ago is super cool. Who can look at this pack and not say how cool it is in its unopened state?
Logically you are correct the sum in most unopened will be worth more than the parts.
I will add the cards inside are depreciating due to 4/5 being the new 8 and 5/6/7 being the new 9 for all but the largest entities. Oddly by the book 1,2,3,4,5 vintage still seem to score the same grades now as then
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
For real. Used yo be generally a 50/50 you could rip, grade and do alright. With tighter grading standards (and especially on vintage) it’s almost impossible to come out ahead.
That’s a super bummer because I’d much rather rip than keep unopened. So much more fun.
Another downside to the tighter standards.
I used to feel the same way, but my thoughts have changed after reading \learning about unopened on this message board. Unopened is really not about the contents, it is about the whole package and the extreme rarity of it being intact.
It is kind of like the schrodingers cat. The pack can both contain and not contain that 1975 Brett rookie as long as it is unopened
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think early to mid 80s baseball is going to continue to climb in value, just as 70s unopened did not that long ago.
I recently looked back at a group rip here on these boards and I was buying early 80s Topps, fleer, and Donruss wax and cello packs for $1-4 each. Now they are going for $10-35 each depending on the issue and year.
PSA HOF Baseball Postwar Rookies Set Registry- (Currently 80.51% Complete)
PSA Pro Football HOF Rookie Players Set Registry- (Currently 19.80% Complete)
PSA Basketball HOF Players Rookies Set Registry- (Currently 6.02% Complete)
Recent auction results indicate that it's going up again, after a brief retreat post-COVID for some of the early 80's stuff. The 70's and earlier is going into the stratosphere. Early-mid 80s stuff is starting to climb, with a standout being 83. The 1983 cardboard header rack box in the BBCE auction went for over $3,000 a week or so ago. That's got to be a new record for that box. People are still ripping everything from the 80s, so its supply continues to lessen as demand appears to increase. That's a good formula for seeing price increases. Even humble 1986 Topps, which has always been my favorite, has been having a moment recently. Boxes that you could get for less than $100 6-12 months ago are now $150-200.
kevin
Wow. I didn't see that for the 83 box. That's crazy pricing for that, right? There has to be tons of those out there to buy. The 83 set may be the most iconic of the decade though so I get why it's so desirable.
I keep waiting on the 82 Topps and Traded Ripkens to have the sort of lift off in prices. Compared to some other early 80s rookies it seems his are undervalued right now.
I undersold it. $3808. Has to be a record.
https://bid.bbceauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=2400
That was nuts. The funny part is that I won a 1983 Michigan box BBCE FASC in that same auction for "only" 1K. There appears to be an influx of big money into the unopened arena again. A PSA 8 73 cello with Clemente on top sold for nearly 10K last night at HA.
To me, unopened has always been about owning the cards in their original, packaged form. The occasional rip is fun but nothing beats unopened, at least for me.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
$3808 for a 1983 Topps unopened rack box is insanity. Those racks aren't worth $150 plus each. Not a chance. There are thousands upon thousands of them. They are not rare. Anything but. I love unopened, love early 80s product, but that price is just silly. Clearly some folks who don't know better got into a bidding war and it got out of hand. That's not anywhere close to the recent market price for that issue, even for cardboard header racks.
kevin
^^
No doubt. I was shocked a few weeks ago on here when a bunch of 83 grocery racks sold for almost $50/pack. I thought that was a huge jump but $150/pack is super crazy.
If Mr. Wonderful and his 'buying group' start hoarding unopened, watch out!
HA ended on Sunday and there were vending boxes from the early 70's that were 3X from last year. Apparently, there is a big buyer out there wanting older unopened.