@UFFDAH said:
As my Dad would say. "Buy quality desirable land, the Good Lord isn't making anymore of it". The same holds true with unopened. By quality, desirable unopened and it will go up in value. Its a simple philosophy.
Just met with my accountant and told him I liked the letter his company sent, one thing they mentioned was this:
TAX RATE CAPITAL GAIN
Lower tax rates for dividend and capital gain income have been made permanent. For some taxpayers
the capital gain rate could be zero.
So I told him its nice that I'll have a low or zero capital gain rate because I made a lot of profit selling
Mahomes rookies in 2020. He said my rate is 28% because they're a collectible.
I said then why did your letter say that for some taxpayers the capital gain rate could be zero. He said that's land.
My two cents: vintage unopened product will never decrease in value; with ever rip the supply continually decreases. Demand jumped from niche to mainstream many years ago and has never turned back.
"Must these Englishmen Live That I Might Die? Must They Live That I Might Die?" - The Blue Oyster Cult
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
I started out helping a friend get some unopened packs and boxes for their kids birthday and quickly found out how hard it is to find them due to flippers being overly aggressive and buying up the basketball and football to resell quickly.
I started to think I would just save the unopened packages and put them away in my closet.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
See also: 1981 topps baseball.
The only vending fasc I can find is $800/box. Wax and cello boxes are up HUGE too.
I bought a sealed vending case last November; I’ve yet to see any other cases come up since. 🤷♂️
@Rofles said:
See also: 1981 topps baseball.
The only vending fasc I can find is $800/box. Wax and cello boxes are up HUGE too.
I bought a sealed vending case last November; I’ve yet to see any other cases come up since. 🤷♂️
81 vending boxes FASC sell for about $400. A few have sold on ebay over past month.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
Yes hobby boxes are better or at least more valuable than retail boxes. Since 1996 Topps chrome basketball was released that has always been the case which is the first hobby vs. retail issue I’m aware of.
1981 Topps baseball unopened wax boxes were $260 in July of 2017 when this thread started and hit $1,500 in the last month. And that almost 600% performance is for the worst rookie class of the 1980’s.
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
Yes hobby boxes are better or at least more valuable than retail boxes. Since 1996 Topps chrome basketball was released that has always been the case which is the first hobby vs. retail issue I’m aware of.
1981 Topps baseball unopened wax boxes were $260 in July of 2017 when this thread started and hit $1,500 in the last month. And that almost 600% performance is for the worst rookie class of the 1980’s.
i think this used to be true. however, id say that since 2018 just as many big hits overall have started to be found back in retail. even certain products, ie 2018 topps chrome update, were retail only. and that was one of the best baseball releases in a long, long time.
the vast lines at target would echo these sentiments. rtimmer isnt wrong about hobby being king however, i think the manufacturers started to wise up and the tide has definitely shifted back towards retail. especially w the prices that tend to be associated w hobby boxes.
however, i would not be going big on 2021 prizm basketball or 2021 topps update at all. imo, thats a flip immediately situation. if youre wanting to put away wax and for similar prices, youre prolly best off doing a lil homework and go w some ‘87 product. then once comfy, going further back from there.
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Just met with my accountant and told him I liked the letter his company sent, one thing they mentioned was this:
TAX RATE CAPITAL GAIN
Lower tax rates for dividend and capital gain income have been made permanent. For some taxpayers
the capital gain rate could be zero.
So I told him its nice that I'll have a low or zero capital gain rate because I made a lot of profit selling
Mahomes rookies in 2020. He said my rate is 28% because they're a collectible.
I said then why did your letter say that for some taxpayers the capital gain rate could be zero. He said that's land.
@Darin - yeah that's the other thing philosophy wise. You live, you die and pay taxes. Its not easy thats for sure.
gonna settle this debate for the crisser for once and for all...
i guarantee that the unopened market in the next 100 years will go:
way up
down a tad
back up
stall
down a bit
up just a little
way back up
worthless.
wars fought for it simply for its amazing kindling properties.
i will check back in feb 5th, 2121 to say i told you so, if we have power.
My two cents: vintage unopened product will never decrease in value; with ever rip the supply continually decreases. Demand jumped from niche to mainstream many years ago and has never turned back.
How many times has unopened gone up 20% since the first post? I don’t think criss could press a barbell that many times.
Wow.
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=80768
Even bigger WOW.
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=80740
So I guess as close to FASC making a full box 80,000.00
Glad I picked one up for 1000.00 when I did
Newbie here. Just starting out so very late to the game at the age of 59 but you guys hit a cord with me.
I have started to accumulate basketball but mostly baseball 2021 Topps, Dunross and Panini unopened boxes, packs and hangers.
I started out helping a friend get some unopened packs and boxes for their kids birthday and quickly found out how hard it is to find them due to flippers being overly aggressive and buying up the basketball and football to resell quickly.
I started to think I would just save the unopened packages and put them away in my closet.
My question is do I have enough time left on this earth for the 2021 to become valuable in 5 years or are we talking decades? Are you guys saving the 2021 packs or are you just buying and saving the 1970's and 1980's packs?
Welcome! The value in 5 years will almost entirely depend upon how good the rookie class of 2021 is, so it’s a very hard question to predict now. If I were in your shoes I would pick 2 rookie classes that show decent deep promise and are relatively newer to hold for five years like 2015 and 2017 in basketball. I’d also go high on the product spectrum like Prizm or Immaculate in basketball (and if someone is actually selling you “Dunross” boxes look out you are getting taken advantage of being new).
Good luck!
Join the Rookie stars on top PSA registry today:
1980-1989 Cello Packs - Rookies
🤣😂. Sorry for the typo! Thank you for the feedback and the suggestions!
For the record I am buying my boxes and packs from Target. Is it true that Hobby boxes are better than Retail boxes or has that changed over the years?
See also: 1981 topps baseball.
The only vending fasc I can find is $800/box. Wax and cello boxes are up HUGE too.
I bought a sealed vending case last November; I’ve yet to see any other cases come up since. 🤷♂️
81 vending boxes FASC sell for about $400. A few have sold on ebay over past month.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=1981+topps+baseball+vending+box+bbce&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=11713&_sargn=-1&saslc=1&_salic=1&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200&LH_Complete=1&_fosrp=1
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Yes hobby boxes are better or at least more valuable than retail boxes. Since 1996 Topps chrome basketball was released that has always been the case which is the first hobby vs. retail issue I’m aware of.
1981 Topps baseball unopened wax boxes were $260 in July of 2017 when this thread started and hit $1,500 in the last month. And that almost 600% performance is for the worst rookie class of the 1980’s.
Join the Rookie stars on top PSA registry today:
1980-1989 Cello Packs - Rookies
i think this used to be true. however, id say that since 2018 just as many big hits overall have started to be found back in retail. even certain products, ie 2018 topps chrome update, were retail only. and that was one of the best baseball releases in a long, long time.
the vast lines at target would echo these sentiments. rtimmer isnt wrong about hobby being king however, i think the manufacturers started to wise up and the tide has definitely shifted back towards retail. especially w the prices that tend to be associated w hobby boxes.
however, i would not be going big on 2021 prizm basketball or 2021 topps update at all. imo, thats a flip immediately situation. if youre wanting to put away wax and for similar prices, youre prolly best off doing a lil homework and go w some ‘87 product. then once comfy, going further back from there.
@grote15, guess I need to expand my search parameters! LOL.