Torture ahead Will Roninson!!?? and it makes me wonder.... ...
drkilmer Posts: 166 ✭✭March 14, 2009 2:08AM in U.S. Coin Forum
Anybody else having problems with lost packages from the Mint lately? I have had the last two shipments lost. They ship via FedEx through a system of "drop shipments", which means a shrink wrapped pallet of mail from FedEx "Smartpost" is delivered to the local post office for delivery to recipients. The post office signs for the pallet but does not verify that all packages are there. Yeh, I asked about that and was told by my post office AND FedEx that they just don't check. FedEx told me sometimes packages fall off or are damaged and they just set them aside or slip them onto another pallet, so they may or may not actually go out to the correct place if they go out at all. So when you check the tracking number online and it says your package was delivered to your post office for delivery to you, that apparently is meaningless. I called the Mint and was told I can't file a claim until 30 days after they shipped the item to me.
It seems likely to me that somebody has learned to recognize mint shipments and is helping himself to a few. The system currently in use has absolutely no accountability and is just asking for abuse. And it's quite frustrating that nobody at the post office or FedEx seems to care at all. I'm going to change my shipping address to my in-laws house in a nearby town and hope my packages start to get through. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/710884/lost-us-mint-shipments
Torture ahead Will Roninson!!?? and it makes me wonder.... ...
drkilmer Posts: 166 ✭✭March 14, 2009 2:08AM in U.S. Coin Forum
Anybody else having problems with lost packages from the Mint lately? I have had the last two shipments lost. They ship via FedEx through a system of "drop shipments", which means a shrink wrapped pallet of mail from FedEx "Smartpost" is delivered to the local post office for delivery to recipients. The post office signs for the pallet but does not verify that all packages are there. Yeh, I asked about that and was told by my post office AND FedEx that they just don't check. FedEx told me sometimes packages fall off or are damaged and they just set them aside or slip them onto another pallet, so they may or may not actually go out to the correct place if they go out at all. So when you check the tracking number online and it says your package was delivered to your post office for delivery to you, that apparently is meaningless. I called the Mint and was told I can't file a claim until 30 days after they shipped the item to me.
It seems likely to me that somebody has learned to recognize mint shipments and is helping himself to a few. The system currently in use has absolutely no accountability and is just asking for abuse. And it's quite frustrating that nobody at the post office or FedEx seems to care at all. I'm going to change my shipping address to my in-laws house in a nearby town and hope my packages start to get through. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/710884/lost-us-mint-shipments
You might want to post some pony express shipments that didn't get through also...
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
In an attempt to second guess the current order/processing/shipping protocol of the US Mint, here is another past dated blurb.
Posted 08/11/2021 10:05 am Show Profile View Users Recent Posts Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think to get the real answer we would have to ask the mint, but from my experiences this is what I believe happens.
1) There is an automated checking process. Once an order is placed and a hold put on a Credit Card, the units available get reduced by that amount.
2) The orders go into a processing step.
3) Once the processing units equal a predefined number (lets say 175K for the Peace dollar) the item is marked no longer available and all sales stop.
4) After the processing step the orders are confirmed. Basically, did you buy the allotted amount, is your address and CC information valid. This is probably automated also.
5) If you meet all checks the order gets processed and in the case of the Peace dollar goes into Back-Order and gets added to a queue to be filled once the item is available.
6) For orders that fail the automated process they get added to a queue for manual review (one of my orders went into this as it was my 4th order and should have free shipping).
7) Due to the number of orders this can take from a day to a few days to a week or longer. My 4th order stayed in processing for 6 days.
8) At the manual review time the US Mint has the final say as to what they are going to do. If you ordered 4 and the HH limit was 3 they (the mint) might reduce the number or cancel the order.
The mint on their website is very vague on how they will resolve this:
"If an order has outstanding issues (such as credit card holds, household order limit violations, or address verification conflicts), the next orders in line can be fulfilled before the one with outstanding issues. While the issues for an order are being worked out, the status of an order may display "hold" during this time. Once the outstanding issues are resolved, the order is re-inserted next in line. Accordingly, such re-inserted orders will not be processed for shipment in the same sequence as their order numbers."
Mint shipping for big releases in batches as follows:
Processing credit cards charged
When shipping method changes to one method ready to print label
Printed Labels are placed on boxes and pallets prepared for shipper
Goes to shipper that night an tracking live within 24 hours
Then “wait for delivery each day until 3”
“ Oh driver, won’t you bring my ASE to me”
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
If all minted and packaged already they will all ship by the end of this week. Hope everyone gets a beautiful 70 coin.
Mine is processing and card charged early this afternoon
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@Heubschgold said:
3452 can anybody reasonably estimate how many orders per day the " mint" minions can fully process?
Define 'process.' Because the mint knew that they had to ship out 90k packages containing one coin, they were probably packaging them all up over the past few weeks so all they have to do is put a sticker on them and call USPS at this point.
@Heubschgold said:
3452 can anybody reasonably estimate how many orders per day the " mint" minions can fully process?
Define 'process.' Because the mint knew that they had to ship out 90k packages containing one coin, they were probably packaging them all up over the past few weeks so all they have to do is put a sticker on them and call USPS at this point.
Ok,fair enough!! Reworded: can anybody reasonably estimate how many orders per day the mint minions can complete in order to execute a " shipped" notice to those corresponding buyers and actually have the item shipped?
Yep, an ' estimate' can involve caveats. Not knowing the real logistics and hoops, it is all a guesstimate.
Is it possible that demand for the privy silver eagle proof coins have fallen below 100k now? The coin dealers must be the ones holding up prices, because it is available on the mint website at $105, yet it sells on Ebay for $190 or higher.
Has every collector who wasn't in the Army skipping this? Does having it with an Army privy hurt sales now?
The mint is canceling orders, but so must buyers be at this point.
The mintage of 100k is low enough that these might behave like the regular Flowing hair medals that crept up in price after all had been released. There will be four silver eagle proofs at 100k mintage which would be the key coins barring a couple of lower mintage coins.
The mint is canceling orders, but so must buyers be at this point.
I have wondered same, but it is not easy to cancel that I can see? It looks like someone would have to be determined enough to call them to cancel.
If too many days of sitting backordered, when it is not even sold out and after a month for some buyers committing to it, I could see the fickle or curmudgoney hitting the whammy button. They were wise to move it.
@HalfDime said:
Is it possible that demand for the privy silver eagle proof coins have fallen below 100k now? The coin dealers must be the ones holding up prices, because it is available on the mint website at $105, yet it sells on Ebay for $190 or higher.
Has every collector who wasn't in the Army skipping this? Does having it with an Army privy hurt sales now?
The mint is canceling orders, but so must buyers be at this point.
The mintage of 100k is low enough that these might behave like the regular Flowing hair medals that crept up in price after all had been released. There will be four silver eagle proofs at 100k mintage which would be the key coins barring a couple of lower mintage coins.
If the answer to your first question is "yes", you don't need the rest of the post.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
The USM is losing their credibility—you have hurt future product sales by playing games and not following a strict process to release HHL after 24 hrs.
Many won’t return to buy future issues which are priced sky high and leave nothing on the table for the secondary market.
@HATTRICK said:
$50 flip ? More like the final dog bone.
Most benefit to the collectors who want one at cost. Watch the available numbers rise as many flippers bail
Nah. It was $100+ for over a month.
There are only a few thousand left. I'm actually happy that they are sticking to their guns and not letting the gamers who keep hitting them every day win.
At this point, people chomping at the bit hoping to get a shot at quantity should probably give it up. Whether or not a flip remains, the Mint has shown it is willing to play the game indefinitely.
When they have decided they have had enough, they are as likely to just allow one or more bulk purchaser to have them as to lift the HHL and let us have at them. After all, to the extent the Mint has any obligation to us at all, it is to let us buy one at original issue price. After that, it's perfectly legit to give the flip to their best customers, as opposed to the rest of us.
status still processing but shipping method changed to one carrier which means shipping label ready to print. Expect to show shipped when label printed then sent to carrier tomorrow and live tracking tomorrow night.
Then "Wait for delivery each day until 3" however with todays efficiency of the post office may have to wait until 8:00
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Just got email mine shipped. I expect it will not get to carrier and live tracking until tomorrow night. I will update as soon as I get additional details.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@ProofCollection -- any interest in revisitng trends, trajectories, and who is stupid and who maybe isn't so much? 🤣🤣🤣
Why? The trajectory is the same. Yes inventory keeps getting added back which is nothing new but the amount is less and less each time so the trend is intact. do you expect the inventory to keep getting added back ad infinitum? And what happened in the last couple of days? Yep, the Mint started actually charging credit cards before shipment. No surprise that a small percentage didn't go through. A temporary setback. Not a permanent recurring one.
The USM is losing their credibility—you have hurt future product sales by playing games and not following a strict process to release HHL after 24 hrs.
Many won’t return to buy future issues which are priced sky high and leave nothing on the table for the secondary market.
While the USM did indeed claim they'd lift the limit, they also clearly stated a goal to ensure everyone can buy one at mint issue price. As there's only a miniscule amount (relative to total production) of unsold units left, there simply is no reason blow the rest out when they can instead meet their other objective very easily. I'm not sure the mint cares about the secondary market beyond their bulk sales program. More of the Mint's customers care about being able to buy new releases at mint issue price than care about making sure items sell out in 1 day, so it is nice to see that mint is prioritizing sales to individuals over selling out in record time.
Mine was actually at the carrier last night with live tracking. Expected delivery on Monday. Prior to Covid it would have been here Friday or Saturday at the latest.
It says wait for delivery each day until 9 😮
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Mine also expected Monday - coming in from Dallas-Ft. Worth. Update ...Your item is out for delivery on August 1, 2025 at 6:10 am in ROCHESTER, NY 14622.
USPS expects to deliver your package today between 8:15am and 12:15pm.
I wonder how the Mint determines when orders are shipped. My co-worker that sits next to me ordered his after I did and is getting his package on Saturday while mine is still showing as backordered.
@TxCollector said:
I wonder how the Mint determines when orders are shipped. My co-worker that sits next to me ordered his after I did and is getting his package on Saturday while mine is still showing as backordered.
Hey Bullsitter,
Can you post a mint shipping wheel to show how orders are picked for shipping?
Boy do the years fly by LoL
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Comments
those charts go into the unc silver thread - https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13945163/#Comment_13945163
feel free to repost them
Shipped. Hooray?
USAF veteran 1984-2005
Torture ahead Will Roninson!!?? and it makes me wonder.... ...
drkilmer Posts: 166 ✭✭March 14, 2009 2:08AM in U.S. Coin Forum
Anybody else having problems with lost packages from the Mint lately? I have had the last two shipments lost. They ship via FedEx through a system of "drop shipments", which means a shrink wrapped pallet of mail from FedEx "Smartpost" is delivered to the local post office for delivery to recipients. The post office signs for the pallet but does not verify that all packages are there. Yeh, I asked about that and was told by my post office AND FedEx that they just don't check. FedEx told me sometimes packages fall off or are damaged and they just set them aside or slip them onto another pallet, so they may or may not actually go out to the correct place if they go out at all. So when you check the tracking number online and it says your package was delivered to your post office for delivery to you, that apparently is meaningless. I called the Mint and was told I can't file a claim until 30 days after they shipped the item to me.
It seems likely to me that somebody has learned to recognize mint shipments and is helping himself to a few. The system currently in use has absolutely no accountability and is just asking for abuse. And it's quite frustrating that nobody at the post office or FedEx seems to care at all. I'm going to change my shipping address to my in-laws house in a nearby town and hope my packages start to get through.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/710884/lost-us-mint-shipments
.> @Heubschgold said:
You might want to post some pony express shipments that didn't get through also...
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
In an attempt to second guess the current order/processing/shipping protocol of the US Mint, here is another past dated blurb.
Posted 08/11/2021 10:05 am Show Profile View Users Recent Posts Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think to get the real answer we would have to ask the mint, but from my experiences this is what I believe happens.
1) There is an automated checking process. Once an order is placed and a hold put on a Credit Card, the units available get reduced by that amount.
2) The orders go into a processing step.
3) Once the processing units equal a predefined number (lets say 175K for the Peace dollar) the item is marked no longer available and all sales stop.
4) After the processing step the orders are confirmed. Basically, did you buy the allotted amount, is your address and CC information valid. This is probably automated also.
5) If you meet all checks the order gets processed and in the case of the Peace dollar goes into Back-Order and gets added to a queue to be filled once the item is available.
6) For orders that fail the automated process they get added to a queue for manual review (one of my orders went into this as it was my 4th order and should have free shipping).
7) Due to the number of orders this can take from a day to a few days to a week or longer. My 4th order stayed in processing for 6 days.
8) At the manual review time the US Mint has the final say as to what they are going to do. If you ordered 4 and the HH limit was 3 they (the mint) might reduce the number or cancel the order.
The mint on their website is very vague on how they will resolve this:
"If an order has outstanding issues (such as credit card holds, household order limit violations, or address verification conflicts), the next orders in line can be fulfilled before the one with outstanding issues. While the issues for an order are being worked out, the status of an order may display "hold" during this time. Once the outstanding issues are resolved, the order is re-inserted next in line. Accordingly, such re-inserted orders will not be processed for shipment in the same sequence as their order numbers."
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=405582
Mint shipping for big releases in batches as follows:
Processing credit cards charged
When shipping method changes to one method ready to print label
Printed Labels are placed on boxes and pallets prepared for shipper
Goes to shipper that night an tracking live within 24 hours
Then “wait for delivery each day until 3”
“ Oh driver, won’t you bring my ASE to me”
It seems perhaps the doge made the inefficiently even more inefficient. I didn't think it could be possible but here we are.
Disclaimer: Not trying to be political at all. Just general observations from a "common sense " human. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
patience - there is 1 box for each address - we'll see how long it takes
If all minted and packaged already they will all ship by the end of this week. Hope everyone gets a beautiful 70 coin.
Mine is processing and card charged early this afternoon
Mine shipped. I used the least expensive shipping option yet it went out today.
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i was thinking they'd take the hhl off once they started shipping.
3452 can anybody reasonably estimate how many orders per day the " mint" minions can fully process?
Define 'process.' Because the mint knew that they had to ship out 90k packages containing one coin, they were probably packaging them all up over the past few weeks so all they have to do is put a sticker on them and call USPS at this point.
http://ProofCollection.Net
My order went to PROCESSING this morning....
Mine is still in backordered status, ordered the day it when live at around 1225. USM156021
Ok,fair enough!! Reworded: can anybody reasonably estimate how many orders per day the mint minions can complete in order to execute a " shipped" notice to those corresponding buyers and actually have the item shipped?
Yep, an ' estimate' can involve caveats. Not knowing the real logistics and hoops, it is all a guesstimate.
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Another 2,600+ added to inventory.
Is it possible that demand for the privy silver eagle proof coins have fallen below 100k now? The coin dealers must be the ones holding up prices, because it is available on the mint website at $105, yet it sells on Ebay for $190 or higher.
Has every collector who wasn't in the Army skipping this? Does having it with an Army privy hurt sales now?
The mint is canceling orders, but so must buyers be at this point.
The mintage of 100k is low enough that these might behave like the regular Flowing hair medals that crept up in price after all had been released. There will be four silver eagle proofs at 100k mintage which would be the key coins barring a couple of lower mintage coins.
I have wondered same, but it is not easy to cancel that I can see? It looks like someone would have to be determined enough to call them to cancel.
If too many days of sitting backordered, when it is not even sold out and after a month for some buyers committing to it, I could see the fickle or curmudgoney hitting the whammy button. They were wise to move it.
Ok went to shipping, keeping fingers crossed it doesn't end up somewhere other then my house.
5723.
Lmao. I did say I wanted to see 5000 again.
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It’s rediculous already.
The USM needs to get out of the “control” game and sellout remaining inventory under NO HHL
If the answer to your first question is "yes", you don't need the rest of the post.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
The USM is losing their credibility—you have hurt future product sales by playing games and not following a strict process to release HHL after 24 hrs.
Many won’t return to buy future issues which are priced sky high and leave nothing on the table for the secondary market.
We may get to 6000!
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
@ProofCollection -- any interest in revisitng trends, trajectories, and who is stupid and who maybe isn't so much? 🤣🤣🤣
What a shite show. This and the nearly SuperMan.
The Mint keep it amusingly chaotic and y’all keep it topical.
Gracias to both!
I have one backordered and one processing. Processing was release day and backordered was a month ago
You're still on "hot", aren't you?
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Flipping is dead. The new way in the US is stick it to the little guys and give it to the big guys. 😆😆😆😆😆
Except, in this case, they gave them to the little guys and stuck it to the big guys...
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$50 flip ? More like the final dog bone.
Most benefit to the collectors who want one at cost. Watch the available numbers rise as many flippers bail
Nah. It was $100+ for over a month.
There are only a few thousand left. I'm actually happy that they are sticking to their guns and not letting the gamers who keep hitting them every day win.
At this point, people chomping at the bit hoping to get a shot at quantity should probably give it up. Whether or not a flip remains, the Mint has shown it is willing to play the game indefinitely.
When they have decided they have had enough, they are as likely to just allow one or more bulk purchaser to have them as to lift the HHL and let us have at them. After all, to the extent the Mint has any obligation to us at all, it is to let us buy one at original issue price. After that, it's perfectly legit to give the flip to their best customers, as opposed to the rest of us.
status still processing but shipping method changed to one carrier which means shipping label ready to print. Expect to show shipped when label printed then sent to carrier tomorrow and live tracking tomorrow night.
Then "Wait for delivery each day until 3" however with todays efficiency of the post office may have to wait until 8:00
The BIGS sure did botch this one. I am still in backorder hell. Post some pics of these little GEMS once the people start receiving. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
I ordered one in the first hour on Day 1...and a second one on the day they subsequently became available again...
Both are still "backordered" so go figure?
Just got email mine shipped. I expect it will not get to carrier and live tracking until tomorrow night. I will update as soon as I get additional details.
I checked about an hour ago and mine is processing
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
Got shipping notice today... Stoked
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Why? The trajectory is the same. Yes inventory keeps getting added back which is nothing new but the amount is less and less each time so the trend is intact. do you expect the inventory to keep getting added back ad infinitum? And what happened in the last couple of days? Yep, the Mint started actually charging credit cards before shipment. No surprise that a small percentage didn't go through. A temporary setback. Not a permanent recurring one.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Why? What's the hurry? Is there a deadline I don't know about?
While the USM did indeed claim they'd lift the limit, they also clearly stated a goal to ensure everyone can buy one at mint issue price. As there's only a miniscule amount (relative to total production) of unsold units left, there simply is no reason blow the rest out when they can instead meet their other objective very easily. I'm not sure the mint cares about the secondary market beyond their bulk sales program. More of the Mint's customers care about being able to buy new releases at mint issue price than care about making sure items sell out in 1 day, so it is nice to see that mint is prioritizing sales to individuals over selling out in record time.
http://ProofCollection.Net
4778, I'm still 0-5 all still showing backordered
THKS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
Mine was actually at the carrier last night with live tracking. Expected delivery on Monday. Prior to Covid it would have been here Friday or Saturday at the latest.
It says wait for delivery each day until 9 😮
Mine also expected Monday - coming in from Dallas-Ft. Worth. Update ...Your item is out for delivery on August 1, 2025 at 6:10 am in ROCHESTER, NY 14622.
USPS expects to deliver your package today between 8:15am and 12:15pm.
I wonder how the Mint determines when orders are shipped. My co-worker that sits next to me ordered his after I did and is getting his package on Saturday while mine is still showing as backordered.
Hey Bullsitter,
Can you post a mint shipping wheel to show how orders are picked for shipping?
Boy do the years fly by LoL
My Day 1 order has now moved to processing...the second/later order not so much...