Though 50 is the technical winning guess, this is a coin that I bought as a knowingly overgraded coin. I'd say that guesses of either 40 or 45 are actually "correct" , and I'm pretty this coin would sticker as an XF. It simply doesn't have enough obverse luster to be a true AU. If you wanted to be strictly technical, 40 would work, but I think the coin deserves a bump to 45 for being problem free and original without any significant appeal distractions or planchet problems. The production quality of these coins is so woefully poor, I've found that a decent way to graded these is to grade it as if it were a regular US issue coin, and then add two whole grades. IE 35 -> 45 , 53 -> 58, 60 -> 62. When you look at all of the APRs, you'll see what I mean.
@Rc5280 - The example last night was pretty appealing for a no grade, and I wouldn't be completely shocked to see it in an NGC holder as a 35/40 down the road. It has the details of a Choice XF, but I would imagine it would be netted somewhat for the clean surfaces and the hairlines. I never got to see it in hand, and I think it might have a small repair at 12:00, but overall It's really not all that bad for what's out there, and a problem free coin with the same details would cost 3x as much. I was expecting somewhere between 35-40, and I was planning to throw a dart at it if it stayed in that range, but 46k seemed like "all the money" to me, and I think the fact that it lacked a details reason and just said "Genuine" actually bolsters the desirability. Thin pool of buyers for details coin buyers at near 50k levels, and I'd have trouble cracking that one out. Regardless, the issue is exceedingly rare and most are tucked away for the long haul, so congrats to the new owner on securing one of the most high demand and elusive issues in pioneer.
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VF 30
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My first thought was 30 or 35... those are taken... so, XF45?
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AU50
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Keep in mind it is from ATS
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I want to say it could be an AU 53
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55 on the beaver.
Winner!
Though 50 is the technical winning guess, this is a coin that I bought as a knowingly overgraded coin. I'd say that guesses of either 40 or 45 are actually "correct" , and I'm pretty this coin would sticker as an XF. It simply doesn't have enough obverse luster to be a true AU. If you wanted to be strictly technical, 40 would work, but I think the coin deserves a bump to 45 for being problem free and original without any significant appeal distractions or planchet problems. The production quality of these coins is so woefully poor, I've found that a decent way to graded these is to grade it as if it were a regular US issue coin, and then add two whole grades. IE 35 -> 45 , 53 -> 58, 60 -> 62. When you look at all of the APRs, you'll see what I mean.
@Rc5280 - The example last night was pretty appealing for a no grade, and I wouldn't be completely shocked to see it in an NGC holder as a 35/40 down the road. It has the details of a Choice XF, but I would imagine it would be netted somewhat for the clean surfaces and the hairlines. I never got to see it in hand, and I think it might have a small repair at 12:00, but overall It's really not all that bad for what's out there, and a problem free coin with the same details would cost 3x as much. I was expecting somewhere between 35-40, and I was planning to throw a dart at it if it stayed in that range, but 46k seemed like "all the money" to me, and I think the fact that it lacked a details reason and just said "Genuine" actually bolsters the desirability. Thin pool of buyers for details coin buyers at near 50k levels, and I'd have trouble cracking that one out. Regardless, the issue is exceedingly rare and most are tucked away for the long haul, so congrats to the new owner on securing one of the most high demand and elusive issues in pioneer.
Ok @copperindian, you're up
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MS 65 BN
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MS66RB
66BN
67RB
66+ BN
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66+ RB
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65+ BN but not my first or second guess.
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64RB
PR65RB...
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PF66RB
PF65BN
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Looks like this was a tough one:
I’m about to catch a flight so I won’t be able to monitor for about 6-7 hours. I’ll give up my turn to someone else….how about you @jfriedm56?
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That's the nicest 64+ I've ever seen!
Even mistaken for a proof.
That should be at least a 65. Have a good flight!
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@Copperindian, ok, thanks Ken. Let’s have a go at this one.
MS63 w/Gold CAC
MS64
MS65+
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MS64
MS63 (no bean)
63+ or*
65
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Never saw that coming simply a C coin? Kind of hazy. Pass
Here is a fun one.
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MS62
62 CAC. You got it. You are up.
Wow thanks!
It was tough to balance out the condition between the obverse vs reverse.
Here we go...
Thanks for your opinion.
MS 67 Red Edited to add color.
MS65RD
Edit for the extra V next to the initials.
MS66+RD
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64RD
66RD
67 RD
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No correct guess yet. Yes, it is the Extra "V" variety. Right click - open image in new tab for hi rez image.
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65+RD
67+
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