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  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Adjustment marks and rim bumps. Yuck!

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2025 8:28PM

    We could clean up the speculation with an official statement and explanation from our host on this one.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall Yes! Thank goodness, but even today, coins in holders, top tier holders, I still hear it. Its an unconscious effort to begin negotiations in a downward spiral.. I do what an old time dealer taught me to do with these people.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dirty or unkempt finger nails in pictures and videos.

  • Russell12Russell12 Posts: 393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Someone posted that they hated when dealers advertise "halfs" rather than "halves". I consider this to be his pet peeve. My pet peeve is I hate when coin collectors (who should know better) refer to cents as pennies. They are not pennies---they are cents!!!!!!!! Penny is a slang term used by the uneducated masses and coin collectors should know better than to call them pennies. O.K. What are your coin related pet peeves? Don't hold back---I know you have some.

    One problem is the US Mint refers to them as pennies, so this is a battle you'll never win.

  • Russell12Russell12 Posts: 393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FistFullOfDollars said:
    Having to pay more than face value for a coin

    HAHA!!!

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    EBAY pics of reverse upside down, I'd rather look at the coin right side up then the TPG logo. I usually pass on coin then take effort to copy photo and use Picture Rotate function in my software to see what the reverse looks like.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    << jabberfan

    K S >>

    What's a jabberfan?

    HEH HEH!

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  • Jcc1876Jcc1876 Posts: 13
    edited April 8, 2025 1:04PM

    Here's my Top Ten:

    10) At a show, wanting to see a dealer's items, but there's some old guy who hasn't taken a bath in a week and he's spread out across the dealer's display all sorts of things he's trying to sell. Coins in flips, Silver Eagles, some Morgans, at least one Greysheet magazine, and his notes. And he is moving like molasses and takes a couple hours of the dealer's time.

    9) Walking into a coin store and having to avoid tripping on all the assorted junk, stamp books, old toys and games, ancient tools, and other debris just to get to the coins on display.

    8) The dealer who tells me the 1885 Morgan I'm trying to sell was clearly over-graded by someone who was likely in a bad mood/had food poisoning from lunch/was high on crack, etc. even though the coin was in a PCGS holder with a green CAC sticker.

    7) Same dealer as in #8 who is selling every coin in his show display for at least 20% above the CPG retail price

    6) Dealers who honestly believe all modern coins are junk, and that any coin made after 1940 or so is modern.

    5) The dealer who, when I asked how much he would pay for my MS-70 burnished ASE, threw it down on his display and exclaimed, "This isn't worth anything! Aren't they all 70's at this point?"

    4) The dealer who, when I wanted to sell a 1983-D Olympic Dollar in MS-70 acted like I was trying to sell Grandpa's collection of colorized State quarters and told me it was worth nothing to him. (If you agree with the dealer, please look up the price, the sales history, and then tell me why. I'm seriously still wondering!)

    3) People on coin message boards who have never collected before but act like they've just won the lottery because they found a 1976 quarter, think it's worth thousands of dollars, and are looking to cash out.

    2) Collectors who think this hobby is a get-rich-quick method and who don't want to crack open a book or do any research of any kind. Also see #3 above.

    1) An uncle of mine who told me that he did not need my advice on selling some gold coins (50% of which rightfully belongs to my still-living mother) because he was collecting coins at the time I was born in the 1970's and he used to read all the trade publications at the time and was being mentored by a friend's dad who was an executive at a major telecommunications company. Please note, I have known this man for almost 50 years and have never once been under the impression that he collected coins of any kind.

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,390 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2025 1:36PM

    Regarding number 8 above, I know this dealer, I have been to his house and I know how he thinks..., I disagree with him, yes a him ,but i also learn a lot about grading too!

    Regarding number 4 above, who is buying these for big bucks? serious question, thanks!

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    When you are a dealer, you can’t buy everything that is offered to you. A dealer should be polite, but when one dealer might make a market for something, another one might not.

    Absolutely, there just has to be some midde ground between not needing the additional inventory and throwing the coin back in the owner's face.

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  • Jcc1876Jcc1876 Posts: 13
    edited April 8, 2025 4:06PM

    @Coin Finder said:
    Regarding number 8 above, I know this dealer, I have been to his house and I know how he thinks..., I disagree with him, yes a him ,but i also learn a lot about grading too!

    Regarding number 4 above, who is buying these for big bucks? serious question, thanks!

    I'm not the one paying that kind of money, though the buyers are out there, if you check recent auction site sales. As for me, a couple years ago I got an amazing deal on the 1983-D Olympic dollar in MS 70. All I can say is it was a slow night at Great Collections. So, since then I've tried to see if I can sell it for a profit. After all, the Philadelphia one is the same coin except for the mintmark. The recent sales history on GC and Heritage is very positive, but I'd rather not go through that hassle if I can avoid it.

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2025 4:15PM
    1. Dealers who say "Finest Known" rather than 'top pop,' failing to recognize that higher grades exist at other TPGs or in other varieties/designations.
    2. Dealers who claim coins are Prooflike and that "PCGS/NGC missed this one" because they don't understand what it means for an MS coin to be PL.
    3. Dealers "cluttering up" the market with their gaudy custom slabs and labels (ie, Trader Bea slabs, DL Hansen Labels)
  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FranklinHalfAddict said:
    Mine pertains to Instagram and probably Facebook coin groups too.

    When collectors (not legitimate dealers) are trying to sell a coin and you make a reasonable offer and they reply with “I paid $XX for it so I can’t take less because I’m not going to lose money on the coin.”
    This is a hobby, not a side hustle. Taking a loss on a coin shouldn’t be a bad thing. Hobbies usually cost money and people do them because they bring them joy, not because we’re all trying to make money.
    I’ve sold so many coins over the years for way less than I bought them for simply because I was ready to move on from them.
    I’d rather sell for a loss and put $100 towards a coin I want now rather than wait 6 months to maybe sell the coin for $125 because “I CaNt TaKe a LoSs.”

    if you talk to this guy a year later he still has the coin but he forgets he offered it to you before and now the story is he needs to get 2X so he doesn't lose money.

    I had a guy wanting to sell me a bunch of ASE's a few years ago and he had to get 30 to break even , silver was $23 He offers the same coins a week ago now he needs $40 . I said these are literally the same coins I refused to over pay for before . You could have exited at a profit at any time since then are you sure you "need" to sell?

    I call these guys ratchets . Their break even price always goes up with a rising market then they get stranded at the generational peak because they never want to leave a nickle on the table .
    There are guys still sitting on silver that are stuck on Hunt brothers pricing from 1981

  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭

    Slabbed poor-1 40% half dollars. No way did they circulate in commerce for 30+ years in order to get that worn.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Colonialcoin said:
    Slabbed poor-1 40% half dollars. No way did they circulate in commerce for 30+ years in order to get that worn.

    It could have been some one's pocket piece. Also, they've been around for 55 years.

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  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Colonialcoin said:
    Slabbed poor-1 40% half dollars. No way did they circulate in commerce for 30+ years in order to get that worn.

    No way they didn't possibly circulate in a casino and slot machines?

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To the "half/halves" pet peeve, one of mine is how often seemingly intelligent people struggle with the English language, both in its word usage and with spelling.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice, non-generic, desirable coins being held hostage by collectible plastic and stickers.

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The continual peeve is the arrogance, smug , haughtiness of the major players.

    The aim of a hobby is cultivating current, recurring loyal and future interest.

  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A pet peeve for me is when someone “in the know” incorrectly “corrects” you.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Colonialcoin said:
    Slabbed poor-1 40% half dollars. No way did they circulate in commerce for 30+ years in order to get that worn.

    Well, the good news (for you, sir) is out of 27,000 40% halves PCGS has graded, only six have received the grade you are concerned with. The chances of you running into one and thus igniting your angst is slim to none.

    peacockcoins

  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Copperindian said:
    A pet peeve for me is when someone “in the know” incorrectly “corrects” you.

    A pet peeve for me is when someone “not in the know” incorrectly “corrects” you.

    chopmarkedtradedollars.com

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Someone posted that they hated when dealers advertise "halfs" rather than "halves". I consider this to be his pet peeve. My pet peeve is I hate when coin collectors (who should know better) refer to cents as pennies. They are not pennies---they are cents!!!!!!!! Penny is a slang term used by the uneducated masses and coin collectors should know better than to call them pennies. O.K. What are your coin related pet peeves? Don't hold back---I know you have some.

    Perry, they are called pennies in the U.K. and Australia. My pet peeve about the hobby is the increasing amount of marketing I have seen in the last 25 years.

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  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish: well said. That actually just happened to me.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,569 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not being able to determine if a proof coin does or does not warrant a Cameo designation.

    For example:

    The coin is a PF67 brilliant proof.

    And this coin is a PF65 Cameo proof.

    ????????????????????????

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Not being able to determine if a proof coin does or does not warrant a Cameo designation.

    For example:

    The coin is a PF67 brilliant proof.

    And this coin is a PF65 Cameo proof.

    ????????????????????????

    Not to crap on your point, but photography on these can be deceiving.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Copperindian said:
    @lermish: well said. That actually just happened to me.

    In life but especially in the numismatic world, I try my hardest to not let my ego get in front of my knowledge.

    When others do and then decide to inflict their "knowledge" and opinions upon me, it really gets under my skin.

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  • ColonialcoinColonialcoin Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @Colonialcoin said:
    Slabbed poor-1 40% half dollars. No way did they circulate in commerce for 30+ years in order to get that worn.

    Well, the good news (for you, sir) is out of 27,000 40% halves PCGS has graded, only six have received the grade you are concerned with. The chances of you running into one and thus igniting your angst is slim to none.

    I’m not igniting anything, it’s common sense. I’m saying that these coins were not circulated to the point that they naturally wore down to look like that. I have never received a half dollar in change. I once got $100 of halves from the bank to search for silver. I found nothing and it took forever to get to put them back in commerce. No one wants them. A silver one if seen would have immediately been snapped up. Come to think of it, I have never received in change a fine or lower grade pre-1970 cent, nickel, or quarter and these coins are always found in change.

  • JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2025 2:13PM

    @PerryHall said:
    Another of my pet pevees are dealers that advertise coins that are P.O.R. Don't they know what they want for the coin?

    Totally agree as I hate not seeing the price and it creates a situation where the price is different depending on the potential buyer which can be very aggravating to find out...

    That said- it could also be helpful to protect the potential future buyer that doesn't want what they paid out in public (for any odd reason).

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  • CircCamCircCam Posts: 316 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Classic circulated coins that look original in every way except the surfaces are glossy/shiny from an acetone bath or a wash or some kind.

    I know it is quite often the best decision depending on the coin, but a lot of folks say that there is no downside to acetone use without qualifying that there are also instances when the coin should just be left alone, organic matter and all.

  • cinque1543cinque1543 Posts: 194 ✭✭✭

    This is not really a peeve, but when you look up a cert number on the PCGS site, I wish they’d show the date that the coin was graded / slabbed. Same for other TPGs.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,763 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ProofCollection said:

    @SanctionII said:
    Not being able to determine if a proof coin does or does not warrant a Cameo designation.

    For example:

    The coin is a PF67 brilliant proof.

    And this coin is a PF65 Cameo proof.

    ????????????????????????

    Not to crap on your point, but photography on these can be deceiving.

    25 years ago, cameo Proofs got very high grades, like PR-67, but no cameo designation. If you are looking at an old holder, that could be the reason.

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  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2025 4:52PM

    @Maywood said:
    To the "half/halves" pet peeve, one of mine is how often seemingly intelligent people struggle with the English language, both in its word usage and with spelling.

    I do think there could be an exception for Halfs that may apply.
    Yes, the multiple of half is halves; however, if use you are referring to a Half as a name, the plural would just get an s or es. A name doesn't change when it becomes plural. For example, if you were referring to two people name Cactus you would not call them 'Cacti.' For example: On the list of names I had 3 Suzys (not 3 Suzies), 2 Johns, and 2 Cactuses (not Cacti).

    Edited to add:
    So in conclusion, I think sometimes you can refer to having 2 Kennedy Halfs could be valid although it's probably better to say 2 Kennedy Half Dollars.

  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    Not being able to determine if a proof coin does or does not warrant a Cameo designation.

    For example:

    The coin is a PF67 brilliant proof.

    And this coin is a PF65 Cameo proof.

    ????????????????????????

    That phenomenon is all too common. I've seen coins that deserve DCAM be classified as brilliant and vice versa.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2025 4:46PM

    Dislike tire kicker low ballers.

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  • MapsOnFireMapsOnFire Posts: 236 ✭✭✭

    I don't like dealers who will not sell at current market price. They hold until a a fish wanders by.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,286 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ProofCollection said:

    @Maywood said:
    To the "half/halves" pet peeve, one of mine is how often seemingly intelligent people struggle with the English language, both in its word usage and with spelling.

    I do think there could be an exception for Halfs that may apply.
    Yes, the multiple of half is halves; however, if use you are referring to a Half as a name, the plural would just get an s or es. A name doesn't change when it becomes plural. For example, if you were referring to two people name Cactus you would not call them 'Cacti.' For example: On the list of names I had 3 Suzys (not 3 Suzies), 2 Johns, and 2 Cactuses (not Cacti).

    Edited to add:
    So in conclusion, I think sometimes you can refer to having 2 Kennedy Halfs could be valid although it's probably better to say 2 Kennedy Half Dollars.

    So if John F. Half was on the Half half dollar, then Halfs would refer to Half halves.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2025 7:38AM

    @messydesk said:

    @ProofCollection said:

    @Maywood said:
    To the "half/halves" pet peeve, one of mine is how often seemingly intelligent people struggle with the English language, both in its word usage and with spelling.

    I do think there could be an exception for Halfs that may apply.
    Yes, the multiple of half is halves; however, if use you are referring to a Half as a name, the plural would just get an s or es. A name doesn't change when it becomes plural. For example, if you were referring to two people name Cactus you would not call them 'Cacti.' For example: On the list of names I had 3 Suzys (not 3 Suzies), 2 Johns, and 2 Cactuses (not Cacti).

    Edited to add:
    So in conclusion, I think sometimes you can refer to having 2 Kennedy Halfs could be valid although it's probably better to say 2 Kennedy Half Dollars.

    So if John F. Half was on the Half half dollar, then Halfs would refer to Half halves.

    You're half right.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @john_nyc1 said:
    NGC slabs that go right up to the coin make me feel the coin is claustrophobic and needs to be “liberated”

    White prongs on NGC slabs.

    Why do they stand behind this horrible presentation of the coin, especially for half dimes, and don't get me started on their ruining of the 1792 White Metal historic treasure. Just use clear prongs or prong-less holders, please!

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ARCO said:
    I hate scrolling auction records and the highest price paid for a coin is PCGS/CAC that is the ugliest coin I can see in all the records for that date/mintmark grade.

    LOL, seriously, this hobby has that many mindless lemmings?

    The only way to combat that is to sell your ugly PCGS/CAC coins and buy nice non-CAC coins, which I suspect you do already ;)

  • lsicalsica Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    O.K. What are your coin related pet peeves? Don't hold back---I know you have some.

    People who knowingly pass bad information here (or arrogantly - as in "I don't care if it's true or not"). A lot of newbies here and others who depend on this forum for real numismatic info, and those who deceive them are a special kind of nasty

    Philately will get you nowhere....
  • 87redcivic87redcivic Posts: 146 ✭✭✭

    Not my peeve, but my wife's. She teaches high school. The newest classes of kids write "thirty dollars" as "30 $" instead of "$30". They write it how they say it.

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @87redcivic said:
    Not my peeve, but my wife's. She teaches high school. The newest classes of kids write "thirty dollars" as "30 $" instead of "$30". They write it how they say it.

    I agree that's the worst. I get that "they write it how they say it but then I would ask, how do you see it displayed everywhere?

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I've gotten older and had my cancer scare, I've done better at letting irritations slide, especially on a chat board.

    So to answer the question, my pet peeve is not having enough money for all the cool coins I want to own!

    P.S. well, I must admit to having some irritation at posters who do not put meaningful headlines in their new threads. ;)

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Poorly minted over graded coins.
    2. Seeing foreign coins with fantastic detail and wondering why US coins can't be made with such quality.
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