1822 Capped Bust Half Dollar - Guess the grade.

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Hi,
What do you think NGC gave this coin?

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  • constitutional_halve
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    That's a nice 58.

  • shish
    shish Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    NGC-55

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  • dsessom
    dsessom Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's got MS details, but the fields look pretty hazy. I don't see any real points of wear on either side, so I am thinking somewhere around MS62. Beautiful coin!

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  • CRHer700
    CRHer700 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58

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  • hummingbird_coins
    hummingbird_coins Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55

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  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Hairlines galore!!! AU Details!

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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58+

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  • EarlyUS
    EarlyUS Posts: 306 ✭✭✭
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    AU-53

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  • coastaljerseyguy
    coastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU details but might have gotten a pardon due to age and overall nice looking coin.

  • Barbercoin
    Barbercoin Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭
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    55

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice coin. Looks original. AU58+.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jacrispies said:
    Hairlines galore!!! AU Details!

    Where are the “hairlines galore”? I’m not seeing them.
    I’ll guess straight grade 58.

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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58.

  • Elcontador
    Elcontador Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very clean obverse and looks like original skin. I see what appear to be some luster breaks on face, breasts, wingtip on viewer's left and claws, so I'm in the AU 58 camp.

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  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55 here.

  • relicsncoins
    relicsncoins Posts: 8,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'll go 62.

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  • logger7
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    My first thought was the same as someone else here, MS62. Kind of a "rough" coin as an MS, but original looking.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a well struck AU58 with decent luster.

    Overton 105, without the typical reverse crack. There appears to be some evidence of hard, smooth surfaces which could present as semi PL areas (more noticeable in the reverse fields), and the striations from which may be what @jacrispies sees describing "hairlines".

    An early strike would explain the lack of crack through OF AMERICA and the reflective potential.

    That grade may not be what holder it's in, of course, but unless the picture is hiding something, that's what I see from the images and probably how I would grade her in hand.


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  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55

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  • RobertScotLover
    RobertScotLover Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I immediately was drawn to this example

  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @jacrispies said:
    Hairlines galore!!! AU Details!

    Where are the “hairlines galore”? I’m not seeing them.
    I’ll guess straight grade 58.

    Red lines give direction of hairlines. Pull up the photos on a monitor and they are very clear.


    @pursuitofliberty The lines travel over the bust, which confirm they are post mint and not die polish. Second, I don't recall ever seeing a bust half with fine hairlines for a PL finish. I see it on Morgans all the time but bust half dies usually are shined to a polish.

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  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jacrispies

    Absolutely respect your eye Chase, but I don't see them. I see a streaking toned dirty gray patina, although the area around 50 C and Arrowheads on the reverse could be suspect on further magnification.


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  • TennesseeDave
    TennesseeDave Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I also think the coin has been wiped although it's more evident on the reverse.

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  • ThreeCentSilverFL
    ThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Probably 55

  • lilolme
    lilolme Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The jacrispies area enlarged some for what it is worth.


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  • AZDAVY
    AZDAVY Posts: 179 ✭✭✭✭
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    55

  • zrnumismatics
    zrnumismatics Posts: 138 ✭✭✭
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    I will reveal what NGC called it tomorrow evening.

    Hint: I'm surprised by the majority of responses so far.

  • lermish
    lermish Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2024 7:24PM
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    @zrnumismatics said:
    I will reveal what NGC called it tomorrow evening.

    Hint: I'm surprised by the majority of responses so far.

    With that hint, my guess is it's in a 62 holder.

    Which is probably PCGS 58 and CACG details.

    EDIT: Without the hint I was guessing 58.

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  • ChangeInHistory
    ChangeInHistory Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55

  • kaz
    kaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I;ll guess 63.

  • constitutional_halve
    constitutional_halve Posts: 89 ✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2024 8:05PM
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    @lermish said:

    @zrnumismatics said:
    I will reveal what NGC called it tomorrow evening.

    Hint: I'm surprised by the majority of responses so far.

    With that hint, my guess is it's in a 62 holder.

    Which is probably PCGS 58 and CACG details.

    EDIT: Without the hint I was guessing 58.

    I was thinking NGC62/3

    Which is why is said, "that's a nice 58".

    The hint basically confirms it.

    PCGS/CACG might drop it to a 55 if the wipe lines are real bad in person.

    BUT the wipes ARE there and so is the RUB across the high points obverse and reverse.

  • Davidk7
    Davidk7 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU55. Not a fan unfortunately

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  • seatedlib3991
    seatedlib3991 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    not my series but I would guess AU-58. Sometimes wear can be hard to identify in pictures. James

  • zrnumismatics
    zrnumismatics Posts: 138 ✭✭✭
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    I appreciate everyone's opinions. NGC gave this one AU details - cleaned. I initially paid AU55 money because this coin had visually no wear and I was this just being a case of subdued luster. After getting it back from grading - I was very disappointed because it was from an old collection that had not been touched since the 1970s, and I felt like giving it cleaned was a bit harsh. However, after reviewing the coin, I began to notice that the lighter areas had faint hairline scratches. @jacrispies was the only one to put this one as a details coin, and I found that rather surprising.
    My photos are pretty close to the in hand appearance.
    Here are NGC's photos:

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @zrnumismatics said:
    I appreciate everyone's opinions. NGC gave this one AU details - cleaned. I initially paid AU55 money because this coin had visually no wear and I was this just being a case of subdued luster. After getting it back from grading - I was very disappointed because it was from an old collection that had not been touched since the 1970s, and I felt like giving it cleaned was a bit harsh. However, after reviewing the coin, I began to notice that the lighter areas had faint hairline scratches. @jacrispies was the only one to put this one as a details coin, and I found that rather surprising.
    My photos are pretty close to the in hand appearance.
    Here are NGC's photos:


    Great work by @jacrispies!
    That said, the coin looks obviously cleaned and deserving of a details-grade in the newly provided pictures - drastically different from the first group.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • CopperLad
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    Wonderful star strikes.
    I love the old 50 cent coins.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 4, 2024 6:21PM
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    Yes, that was definitely her best angle. And I knew I was hanging on by a thread.
    Still a nice coin.

    edit: the bright lights.

  • PeakRarities
    PeakRarities Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I never guessed, but i did notice the hairlines near the date. From the first set of photos, i didnt expect NGC to call it out, but the coin looks much worse in the NGC shots.

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  • EarlyUS
    EarlyUS Posts: 306 ✭✭✭
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    I am at $200 if you're taking bids :D

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