2023 peace dollar "one of 200" signed Willie Wonka golden ticket tracking thread - UPDATE!
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@Bochiman said:
I got my usmint sealed box of 2 today.
I'm going to keep it sealed for awhile, unsubmitted.
I think I have COAs 1 0f 200 and 2 of 200 in there
you could have the famous "brick in the box" lol
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It is too bad they did not indicate which boxes had the special COA on the outside of the box. Then you would know before you opened the box.
Here is my Washington Quarter Variety Registry Set
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possibly the first 200 of the run they have the director of the mint do the honors
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Has there been any word about a golden ticket hiding in the Morgans yet?
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This has been escalated on our end and we are still waiting to hear back from the US Mint on the details of the "Golden Ticket". Thanks for your patience.
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@PCGS_Moderator said:
This has been escalated on our end and we are still waiting to hear back from the US Mint on the details of the "Golden Ticket". Thanks for your patience.You folks are the best!
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
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@Batman23 said:
Has there been any word about a golden ticket hiding in the Morgans yet?None in my box. I haven't heard anyone else reporting one in the Morgans yet either.
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@robec said:
@gumby1234 said:
@MetroD said:
@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference
'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.
Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.
It looks to me like it’s tucked securely into one box.
That's the back of the Congratulations card.
You have to take off the sleeve and open the box, and the Director's Strike COA is nested on top of the coin capsule, just like the standard COA.
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@robec said:
@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.
If you read through the other thread, you would have seen @Rockdogz opened his order of two Peace Dollars and had a signed COA... There is a good chance those will be the only two members of this forum to get one directly from the mint.
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@robec said:
@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.
No doubt, VaultBox has better odds.
Sorry I couldn't resist.Philippians 4:4-7
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@UpGrayedd said:
@robec said:
@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.
No doubt, VaultBox has better odds.
Sorry I couldn't resist.I get it, but a forum member recently mentioned, "does the Mint include the bulk buyers in this special 'signed Director's Strike COA promo?' I think this would send the wrong message to the modern coin collecting public. A David vs Goliath thing if you will. JMHO.
edited to add: I think it's awesome that @Rockdogz got the signed COA with only 2 out of 275,000 chances.
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@Goldbully said:
@UpGrayedd said:
@robec said:
@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.
No doubt, VaultBox has better odds.
Sorry I couldn't resist.I get it, but a forum member recently mentioned, "does the Mint include the bulk buyers in this special 'signed Director's Strike COA promo?' I think this would send the wrong message to the modern coin collecting public. A David vs Goliath thing if you will. JMHO.
edited to add: I think it's awesome that @Rockdogz got the signed COA with only 2 out of 275,000 chances.
I understand and I was just making a dumb joke. As my wife often tells me "you're the only person that thinks that's funny." I should probably take a hint, but hey life's too short to not have fun, IMHO. With that said, I really do appreciate you sharing your find with the forum. It was definitely breaking news.
Philippians 4:4-7
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@UpGrayedd said:
I understand and I was just making a dumb joke. As my wife often tells me "you're the only person that thinks that's funny." I should probably take a hint, but hey life's too short to not have fun, IMHO. With that said, I really do appreciate you sharing your find with the forum. It was definitely breaking news.
I chuckled and I'm sure others did too.
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Is the concern if you scored a cert that if do not open the box it could / would be stolen? Ie no way to know number 1 belongs to coin #1 since it’s not marked on the coin?
Are TPA’s under camera review?
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@johnny010 said:
Is the concern if you scored a cert that if do not open the box it could / would be stolen? Ie no way to know number 1 belongs to coin #1 since it’s not marked on the coin?Are TPA’s under camera review?
Source: https://www.pcgs.com/faq4 -
@PCGS_Moderator said:
This has been escalated on our end and we are still waiting to hear back from the US Mint on the details of the "Golden Ticket". Thanks for your patience.Thanks for looking into this ASAP. All are waiting to hear the full info on this
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater3 -
I opened my box and nothing.
Many happy BST transactions0 -
Has anybody tried using a ultraviolet light to see if the mint put a number on the coins???
That's about the ONLY way that you can attribute a specific coin to the "Golden Ticket" slash "Willie Wonka" certificate.
I certainly hope that people don't get burned by this hype over a piece of paper.
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I wonder if Goldbully still believes special labels, signatures and other “hype” on related modern coins should carry nearly no added value? 😂
Wondercoin
P.S. - Congratulations Goldbully. 😜
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.3 -
@wondercoin said:
I wonder if Goldbully still believes special labels, signatures and other “hype” on related modern coins should carry nearly no added value? 😂Wondercoin
P.S. - Congratulations Goldbully. 😜
If I find the 'hype' hidden in my Mint box, then I want to get somethin'.....not sure what, but somethin'!!!
edited to add: Thanks. 😊
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In the days before slabs I think this sort of provenance would have been more accepted as significant in the hobby.
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So you can direct to encapsulate the COAs and pay $20/coin for that with the speculation that you might have a serialized one of the 200 (and another $25 if so). I guess if opting out of the first strike labeling, it is pretty equivalent. Not sure if the market cares much for the first strike labels anyway, at least any more than the certified COAs. (I generally have lost money on the first strikes, which are of dubious merit anyway.)
Any evidence that there are signed COAs among the Morgans too?
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If the packages are opened to check for the “Golden Ticket” does that mean the coins inside are no longer eligible for First Strike label.
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@alefzero said:
So you can direct to encapsulate the COAs and pay $20/coin for that with the speculation that you might have a serialized one of the 200 (and another $25 if so). I guess if opting out of the first strike labeling, it is pretty equivalent. Not sure if the market cares much for the first strike labels anyway, at least any more than the certified COAs. (I generally have lost money on the first strikes, which are of dubious merit anyway.)Any evidence that there are signed COAs among the Morgans too?
Details TBD.
Best Case - You would not have to pay to encapsulate every COA. If PCGS discovered a Director's COA in a sealed submission, they would notify the submitter, and get their authorization to add a single COA encapsulation to the order.
Edited for content.
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@robec said:
If the packages are opened to check for the “Golden Ticket” does that mean the coins inside are no longer eligible for First Strike label.You are able to submit 'unboxed/raw' coins for the FS designation prior to the cutoff date.
The Rule:
The Cutoff Dates:
Source: https://www.pcgs.com/firststrikeEdited for clarity.
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@robec said:
@gumby1234 said:
@MetroD said:
@gumby1234 said:
Is there any way to prove which coin it came with? If not there's no way to tell which coin the certificate belongs to.The Gibson coin comes with a special COA. Reference
'How/if' PCGS is handling is TBD.
Yes I know about the COA. But it seems like it is just loose in the box and could be switched with any coin.
It looks to me like it’s tucked securely into one box.
This is why you can't open the box. You must submit it sealed.
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@alefzero said:
So you can direct to encapsulate the COAs and pay $20/coin for that with the speculation that you might have a serialized one of the 200 (and another $25 if so). I guess if opting out of the first strike labeling, it is pretty equivalent. Not sure if the market cares much for the first strike labels anyway, at least any more than the certified COAs. (I generally have lost money on the first strikes, which are of dubious merit anyway.)Any evidence that there are signed COAs among the Morgans too?
Which coins are you losing money on with first strike labels? I always pay a premium for first strike coins.
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An article in Coin World yesterday confirmed the 200 Peace coins were struck on July 10 and randomly inserted in orders. There was no mention of the Morgan having anything.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater2 -
since pop reports show no Willie Wonka labels it is likely none of the 200 special coins were shipped in all those hundreds of bulk submissions that got autographed labels. Likely that the "special" coins were not placed in "early" shipments? Otherwise wouldn't PCGS have attributed them in the pops report?
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
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Coin World...................
Production at the Philadelphia Mint of Uncirculated 2023-P Peace dollars included 200 coins struck July 10 by U.S. Mint Director Ventris C. Gibson and packaged with certificates of authenticity and “Congratulations” cards announcing the special strike.
The boxed coins struck by Gibson were randomly inserted into shipments to customers who ordered the numismatic product. Sales for the coin opened to the public at noon Eastern Time July 13, priced at $76.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/specially-struck-2023-peace-dollars-randomly-shipped
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@derryb said:
since pop reports show no Willie Wonka labels it is likely none of the 200 special coins were shipped in all those hundreds of bulk submissions that got autographed labels. Likely that the "special" coins were not placed in "early" shipments? Otherwise wouldn't PCGS have attributed them in the pops report?Bulk sales from the mint are in capsules only and do not include any packaging and therefor no golden tickets
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater2 -
@HATTRICK said:
@derryb said:
since pop reports show no Willie Wonka labels it is likely none of the 200 special coins were shipped in all those hundreds of bulk submissions that got autographed labels. Likely that the "special" coins were not placed in "early" shipments? Otherwise wouldn't PCGS have attributed them in the pops report?Bulk sales from the mint are in capsules only and do not include any packaging and therefor no golden tickets
so the little guys got one over on the big boys.
Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. - Bastiat
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@Goldbully said:
@UpGrayedd said:
@robec said:
@Glen2022 said:
with only 200 certificates, the odds are pretty good that there WON.T be a certificate in any given shipment.1 per 1375 is pretty slim pickins. There is a good chance @Goldbully may be the only member of this forum to get one directly from the mint.
No doubt, VaultBox has better odds.
Sorry I couldn't resist.I get it, but a forum member recently mentioned, "does the Mint include the bulk buyers in this special 'signed Director's Strike COA promo?' I think this would send the wrong message to the modern coin collecting public. A David vs Goliath thing if you will. JMHO.
edited to add: I think it's awesome that @Rockdogz got the signed COA with only 2 out of 275,000 chances.
I'm pretty sure bulk buyers don't get the packaging, so I really don't think that's a legitimate worry. And, yes, the Mint is acutely aware of the value of getting things like this in the hands of retail buyers, which is why we are seeing these turn up in random boxes on the forum.
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I opened my boxes and nothing!
Just classically beautiful silver coins in perfect condition. Darn!4 -
So they weren't the first 200 struck...or even necessarily the last 200 struck.
Just a novelty, then. Don't get me wrong - I'd love to get one in my shipment. But the people who sold on ebay for $1000+ were probably smart.
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@JBK said:
So they weren't the first 200 struck...or even necessarily the last 200 struck.Just a novelty, then. Don't get me wrong - I'd love to get one in my shipment. But the people who sold on ebay for $1000+ were probably smart.
Correct, just 1 of 200 coins struck by Ventris herself, randomly throughout the 275,000 total. Still a neat item
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@JBK said:
So they weren't the first 200 struck...or even necessarily the last 200 struck.Just a novelty, then. Don't get me wrong - I'd love to get one in my shipment. But the people who sold on ebay for $1000+ were probably smart.
I would be happier than pigs in mud to get $1,000 for one or even $500 from one of my friends on the Forum.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater1 -
Decided to list it. If it sells - great! I can buy some more coins. If it doesn't - great! It's a pretty neat item and I feel lucky to have one of my coins selected.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1958958249994 -
@Rockdogz said:
Decided to list it. If it sells - great! I can buy some more coins. If it doesn't - great! It's a pretty neat item and I feel lucky to have one of my coins selected.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195895824999Good luck!
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Hope to have one in my box of Peace Dollars but I was lucky enough to meet Director Gibson at the WFOM US Mint Booth last year where she had a meet the people and card signing . She also posed for a photograph of herself holding the card with the patron. She is a very nice person.
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@Rockdogz said:
Decided to list it. If it sells - great! I can buy some more coins. If it doesn't - great! It's a pretty neat item and I feel lucky to have one of my coins selected.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195895824999I see you have a bid.
Personally, I would have gone with a shorter auction or BIN, but presumably it will work out as is.
Nice return on investment!
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@Rockdogz said:
Decided to list it. If it sells - great! I can buy some more coins. If it doesn't - great! It's a pretty neat item and I feel lucky to have one of my coins selected.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195895824999Indeed a nice ROI Way to go!
You might want to clarify that it's #82 of 200 - to avoid any buyer disappointment - if they think they're getting #1.4 -
@PCGS_Moderator said:
This has been escalated on our end and we are still waiting to hear back from the US Mint on the details of the "Golden Ticket". Thanks for your patience.You folks are the best!> @HATTRICK said:
@derryb said:
since pop reports show no Willie Wonka labels it is likely none of the 200 special coins were shipped in all those hundreds of bulk submissions that got autographed labels. Likely that the "special" coins were not placed in "early" shipments? Otherwise wouldn't PCGS have attributed them in the pops report?Bulk sales from the mint are in capsules only and do not include any packaging and therefor no golden tickets
That is not true for all products. You're thinking of the ASE's, I think?
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I finally opened my 3 Peace Dollars to find no Golden Tickets....just the normal ones. But the coins looked great!
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@jmlanzaf said:
@PCGS_Moderator said:
This has been escalated on our end and we are still waiting to hear back from the US Mint on the details of the "Golden Ticket". Thanks for your patience.You folks are the best!> @HATTRICK said:
Bulk sales from the mint are in capsules only and do not include any packaging and therefor no golden tickets
That is not true for all products. You're thinking of the ASE's, I think?
That is what Magic Mike said when he was selling his FDOI Morgan and Peace dollars. You know his word is gospel.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater0 -
@HATTRICK said:
Bulk sales from the mint are in capsules only and do not include any packaging and therefor no golden tickets@jmlanzaf said:
That is not true for all products. You're thinking of the ASE's, I think?FWIW, there is a separate line in the sales report for "40 coin".
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/about/production-sales-figures/cumulative-salesOn the 2022 Proof-S ASE, "40 coin" meant "bulk pack" (i.e., no packaging, but included COAs).
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/about/production-sales-figures/cumulative-sales
Source: https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2022-one-ounce-silver-proof-coin-bulk-pack-22EM040.html2 -
@MetroD said:
@HATTRICK said:
Bulk sales from the mint are in capsules only and do not include any packaging and therefor no golden tickets@jmlanzaf said:
That is not true for all products. You're thinking of the ASE's, I think?FWIW, there is a separate line in the sales report for "40 coin".
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/about/production-sales-figures/cumulative-salesOn the 2022 Proof-S ASE, "40 coin" meant "bulk pack" (i.e., no packaging, but included COAs).
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/about/production-sales-figures/cumulative-sales
Source: https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2022-one-ounce-silver-proof-coin-bulk-pack-22EM040.htmlNever seen the bulk submission order page before....thanks @MetroD.
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Mine said congrats on the big milk spot
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@ricko said:
Another special for label collectors... Mint is getting in on this niche market. Cheers, RickOMaybe they'll team up with the Vault Box people next.
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Don't need the ASE "bulk pack" reference any longer.
The Unc. Peace 'was/is' available in a "bulk pack" (i.e., no packaging, but includes COAs).
Source: https://catalog.usmint.gov/peace-silver-dollar-uncirculated-coin-bulk-pack-23XH040.html0
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