The Official PCGS White Label Rattler Census --- 71 listed as of 11/22/19

That’s awesome @pointfivezero !!!

@JCdlrc said:
@pointfivezero David Lawrence has a Gen 1.0 white rattler coming to auction in about a month (after our new redesigned website and auction page goes live). The coin is not on the census and we are once again NOT sending it to CAC first. Fresh from a safe deposit box and yes, we paid up for it. Keep your eyes peeled. I love finding these “previously unknown examples” that can be added to the census. I’ll post the pic of it in the case and reveal the cert number when it goes live. Here’s a peek at the coin itself:

Thanks for the heads up! I’ll definitely be watching. If there’s any pre-auction opportunity, let me know.

Tim

Yeah, I saw this early on and bid, not realizing it was a 1.2 reholder of a 1.0 until @86Saab set me straight.

Like you, I contacted the seller and he added a note to the listing in the first day or two of the auction stating it was a reholder but it may have been overlooked by many bidders.

Still a valuable and unique slab but may have been overbid.

Tim

Edited to add additional detail.

Here is a new one for the list!! Just sold tonight on Great Collections.

@Lakesammman said:
That's an amazing price realized. Maybe 2 people needed it for their 1938-D Buffalo PCGS generation set??

Well, I didn’t “need” it but I was an underbidder.

Is anyone still updating the census on the white rattlers? Has anyone heard from @illini420 lately?

Tim

I'm pretty sure that fills a hole in a set that has been waiting to be filled for a long time. Hope the nuke bid got it.

And with juice $9k

What might have been lost in the glow of the white rattler selling price is the amount of money the 1.2 rattlers with the 108xxxx certs sold for:

Tim

@Lakesammman said:
Bought this one for nose-bleed money several years ago - seems cheap now.

My bad, thought you needed a 1.0.

So who's the proud new buyer?

Not in the census, and for sale on ebay. Not my coin

It's a BIN.

@Ike1964 said:
On the 1900-O Morgan, I see ribbing on the top of the label which makes this a Gen 1.2 holder.

Gen 1.1 goes up to about cert# 1082400, so this would be in that range. There are higher cert numbers in the census than this 1900-o on page 1 of the thread.

@Ike1964 said:
On the 1900-O Morgan, I see ribbing on the top of the label which makes this a Gen 1.2 holder.

The little bumps on the top edge of the label are perforations, not ribbing. The ribbing goes horizontal across the label and looks like small creases.
The photo is poor, but there is no ribbing.

@illini420 said:

@pointfivezero said:

@Lakesammman said:
That's an amazing price realized. Maybe 2 people needed it for their 1938-D Buffalo PCGS generation set??

Well, I didn’t “need” it but I was an underbidder.

Is anyone still updating the census on the white rattlers? Has anyone heard from @illini420 lately?

Tim

Yeah, I'm still around from time to time... usually just lurking though. Will try to get this post updated soon. Crazy how these have gone so high, even beyond moon money!!! Ha!!!

Hey, good to see you on the forum! Look forward to your census update. Thanks from all of us at CU.

Tim

I guess the census is not being updated any more? Here's one I ran across on worthpoint not on the list...

The OP was last active in November. Hope @illini420 is doing OK.

Tim

Found 710 and 805 on another thread but still missing the others.

@86Saab said:
@idratherbgardening here is a link to my album of white label rattlers.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1oi6ChgYlSxdCAr3SjvCxsFy75RGQwhjwz1euXw68DL4/edit?usp=sharing

This is all I've found to date, if you have any that I don't have, I'd appreciate you post them here.

Also, since the census hasn't been updated in quite awhile, I will link here to my up to date census as well as other censuses that I have been keeping or monitoring.

https://oldslabholders.com/census

Thanks for making an up to date list.

Just as an FYI, holder 1080313 has a gold cac now.

@86Saab FYI:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/walking-liberty-half-dollars/1937-s-50c-ms65-pcgs-pcgs-population-963-562-ngc-census-412-189-cdn-575-whsle-bid-for-ngc-pcgs-ms65-mintage-2-090-000/a/60373-52119.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1946-50c-pcgs-ms65-1st-gen-holder-3782989925

https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-half-eagles/1903-s-5-ms-64-pcgs-a-smooth-highly-lustrous-coin-that-is-arguably-the-next-higher-grade-and-if-not-is-certainly-a-premium/a/244-8230.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

@86Saab said:
Thanks @idratherbgardening
I've added the HA one already. Do you know the sold price of the one listed on worthpoint?

$2,850.00 or a best offer. Hard to know with worthpoint.

I have a few more other white rattler pics when I get a chance but not sure where I found them, 🤦🏻‍♂️

@idratherbgardening Yes I am tracking 108 prefix certs including these early re-holders. I saw them both when they were listed. They both went for amounts that surprised me.

Found a PCGS # 1082297 and it appears to be a white label rattler. 1924 Saint in MS-63.

Is this the first Saint to appear in a PCGS 1.1 rattler holder?

Sorry, MS64

I'm new to CU forums and this discussion, which I stumbled upon when searching online for more information about PCGS White Label holders. This is a very informative thread. It's worth noting that six previously unknown coins have been added to the census list (according to the dates in the notes section) since the last post to this thread seven months ago. The current census totals are 41 Generation 1.0 and 62 Generation 1.1.

Thanks for the welcome, Tim. This thread, and the Old Slab Holders website are very useful resources. The PCGS Museum of Coin Holders was a good start, but it doesn't contain the amount of researched detail about each generation that the Old Slab Holders website has. That site and this thread of actual collectors of PCGS White Label holders gave me confirmation that what I recently found and purchased was indeed a PCGS White Label Generation 1.1. So I am now the proud owner on one also.

Yes, I notified John through the generations@oldslabholders.com email, and he added it to the census. It is 1082102. A picture is included on the census list.