Here is an old pic of a dime struck on a planchet cut from the end of the strip, the copper core squeezed out from between the clad layers slightly.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@seanq said:
Here is an old pic of a dime struck on a planchet cut from the end of the strip, the copper core squeezed out from between the clad layers slightly.
Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
1. Mule
2. Two heads
3. die cap brokage
4. double or more struck with interesting pattern
Expand need/wants coinage errors struck on planet Earth and you'll have more variety to choose from.
I went global 3 decades ago. There's some thought-provoking goodies out there, like veins of gold.
@jt88 said:
Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
1. Mule
2. Two heads
3. die cap brokage
4. double or more struck with interesting pattern
@LindyS said:
Expand need/wants coinage errors struck on planet Earth and you'll have more variety to choose from.
I went global 3 decades ago. There's some thought-provoking goodies out there, like veins of gold.
@jt88 said:
Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
1. Mule
2. Two heads
3. die cap brokage
4. double or more struck with interesting pattern
I agree, I have purchased some wild foreign errors for a fraction of what they would cost if struck in the US. Same with varieties, if you like doubled dies or overdates that you can see with the naked eye, there are some very affordable options if you venture out of the US.
Sean Reynolds
P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@LindyS said:
Expand need/wants coinage errors struck on planet Earth and you'll have more variety to choose from.
I went global 3 decades ago. There's some thought-provoking goodies out there, like veins of gold.
@jt88 said:
Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
1. Mule
2. Two heads
3. die cap brokage
4. double or more struck with interesting pattern
I agree, I have purchased some wild foreign errors for a fraction of what they would cost if struck in the US. Same with varieties, if you like doubled dies or overdates that you can see with the naked eye, there are some very affordable options if you venture out of the US.
Sean Reynolds
P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.
Agree there are some wild, well priced international errors. The question to me is how to create this market?
P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.
Found the dime I originally posted above, here are bigger pics.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@LindyS said:
Thats so interesting, never seen anything like it. What does it weigh ?
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Weighs just a hair under 2.1g, compared to a spec of 2.27g.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
So looking through this thread I wondered, are there any examples where a coin was struck with a weakly attached clad layer. Then after striking the clad layer detached or fell off? Could this be identified because the now missing clad layer side would have a weak soft strike as it was under the loose clad layer during striking. Just one of those strange thoughts that come across sometimes.
Perhaps even the other piece, a clad layer that detached after striking?
@lilolme said:
So looking through this thread I wondered, are there any examples where a coin was struck with a weakly attached clad layer. Then after striking the clad layer detached or fell off? Could this be identified because the now missing clad layer side would have a weak soft strike as it was under the loose clad layer during striking. Just one of those strange thoughts that come across sometimes.
Perhaps even the other piece, a clad layer that detached after striking?
Yes this has happened. I have a clad layer that was struck and then detached.
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@lilolme said:
So looking through this thread I wondered, are there any examples where a coin was struck with a weakly attached clad layer. Then after striking the clad layer detached or fell off? Could this be identified because the now missing clad layer side would have a weak soft strike as it was under the loose clad layer during striking. Just one of those strange thoughts that come across sometimes.
Perhaps even the other piece, a clad layer that detached after striking?
Yes this has happened. I have a clad layer that was struck and then detached.
Thanks
That would probably be fairly cool looking.
Zoins, pounds of errors are flowing thru Heritage last 12 months.
Took several sales so far to disperse this huge error hoard.
Here's a favorite that I already own as its one of two known. Went 3 to 4 k below what I would value it at. Any clue from the listing it is struck on aluminum ? I wonder if that fact alone would have amped up the final hammer ? Somebody got a killer deal.
@LindyS said:
Zoins, pounds of errors are flowing thru Heritage last 12 months.
Took several sales so far to disperse this huge error hoard.
Here's a favorite that I already own as its one of two known. Went 3 to 4 k below what I would value it at. Any clue from the listing it is struck on aluminum ? I wonder if that fact alone would have amped up the final hammer ? Somebody got a killer deal.
It seems like it would be first useful to identify the intended coin for the planchet, which I haven't been able to do yet. NGC says "1S", which seems like it could mean 1 Sentimo, but a 1976 1 Sentimo coin is squareish. They did become round in 1983 but at 15.5mm it seems too small so being struck on a 1 Sentimo is a mystery.
Here's what one looks like, courtesy of International Coin Shop.
Yes, a few mint error coins have passed thru Heritage Auctions recently.😉
mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
Some really fantastic pieces fellas!!
Here are some of mine. I try to only acquire MS65+ Full RED examples for my Collection unless they have something Exceptional about them, then a lower grade is acceptable lol :
One of my Favorites, the color is just Phenomenal:
@ctf_error_coins said:
Absolutely, I love thiese as they are so visually different than a normal clad coin.
Mr CTF, I recently had to do an Eeny, meeny, miny, moe between your 1976 50C Kennedy Bicentennial 45% Curved Clip and your 1976 25C Washington Bicentennial Missing Reverse Clad Layer, as they were equally priced...as you can see from my Avatar...Kennedy won, lol Thanks Chris!
Thank you Zoins! Not sure about it being his Signature piece but I think it's a favorite for sure, as he speaks about it often. The history on it was that he found it in a $100 Mixed Kennedy Bag that was released in 2004. I have seen it many times in different forums and Had to have it. I posted a few threads asking if anyone knew him as he wasn't around for a time, and sure enough, he's quite the popular fellow and someone responded and forwarded my info to him. After conversing with him I realized why he's so liked! I made him a competitive offer for the piece and it was a mutual Deal! It's in my top 5 Favorite Missing Clad Layer pieces for sure!
Here is a Much better quality photo of the piece, showing its original mint luster in all it's glory:
Comments
Here is an old pic of a dime struck on a planchet cut from the end of the strip, the copper core squeezed out from between the clad layers slightly.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Did you keep it ? Very appealing !
Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
1. Mule
2. Two heads
3. die cap brokage
4. double or more struck with interesting pattern
Expand need/wants coinage errors struck on planet Earth and you'll have more variety to choose from.
I went global 3 decades ago. There's some thought-provoking goodies out there, like veins of gold.
I agree, I have purchased some wild foreign errors for a fraction of what they would cost if struck in the US. Same with varieties, if you like doubled dies or overdates that you can see with the naked eye, there are some very affordable options if you venture out of the US.
Sean Reynolds
P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Agree there are some wild, well priced international errors. The question to me is how to create this market?
I pulled out the slabs for my 2 JFK MCLs and found something very interesting!
One has the weight and one doesn't. The one that doesn't have it has space for it as seen in comparison to the one with the weight.
They are also both in Gen 6 slabs.
Bingo!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@Zoins- Just for the hell of it, weigh each slab. What does it say?
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Found the dime I originally posted above, here are bigger pics.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Thats so interesting, never seen anything like it. What does it weigh ?
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Weighs just a hair under 2.1g, compared to a spec of 2.27g.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@SullivanNumismatics
Really nice article Jon . Thanks!
Plenty of room on these slabs for weight.......no? What's your personal and professional opinion on the matter?
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
My Lucky Post Number 888.
Took me 6 years and one Day to achieve this milestone.
Accidentally posted a period:
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Oops.
Happy Wednesday !
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Lindy
So looking through this thread I wondered, are there any examples where a coin was struck with a weakly attached clad layer. Then after striking the clad layer detached or fell off? Could this be identified because the now missing clad layer side would have a weak soft strike as it was under the loose clad layer during striking. Just one of those strange thoughts that come across sometimes.
Perhaps even the other piece, a clad layer that detached after striking?
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=fbEW8BrNctI Haley Reinhart, Don't Know How To Love You Live (direct to record)
RLJ 1958 - 2023
Yes this has happened. I have a clad layer that was struck and then detached.
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@lilolme see here
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1075260/one-thin-dime-kinda
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Thanks
That would probably be fairly cool looking.
Edit - I will check out the thread.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OwZlYz2V4AM Sophie Lloyd, guitar shred cover Paranoid (Black Sabbath)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fbEW8BrNctI Haley Reinhart, Don't Know How To Love You Live (direct to record)
RLJ 1958 - 2023
Here's a great coin from the Blue Angel Collection.
Don't see too many Ikes missing clad layers!
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/-/a/1251-11905.s
Zoins, pounds of errors are flowing thru Heritage last 12 months.
Took several sales so far to disperse this huge error hoard.
Here's a favorite that I already own as its one of two known. Went 3 to 4 k below what I would value it at. Any clue from the listing it is struck on aluminum ? I wonder if that fact alone would have amped up the final hammer ? Somebody got a killer deal.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1976-25c-clad-washington-quarter-struck-on-a-philippine-1s-planchet-12g-ms65-ngc-from-the-blue-angel-collection-of-bi/a/1251-11886.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115
It seems like it would be first useful to identify the intended coin for the planchet, which I haven't been able to do yet. NGC says "1S", which seems like it could mean 1 Sentimo, but a 1976 1 Sentimo coin is squareish. They did become round in 1983 but at 15.5mm it seems too small so being struck on a 1 Sentimo is a mystery.
Here's what one looks like, courtesy of International Coin Shop.
Numista has a list of Philippine coins here:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/philippines-6.html#c_philippines151
Awesome. Imagine if it was a W.
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LindyS
Yes, a few mint error coins have passed thru Heritage Auctions recently.😉
I like how Heritage makes it easy to trace coins to a collection, like this link to the 35 coins in the Blue Angel Collection
https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=3183+790+231+4294950916+4294950490
Some really fantastic pieces fellas!!
lol :
Here are some of mine. I try to only acquire MS65+ Full RED examples for my Collection unless they have something Exceptional about them, then a lower grade is acceptable
One of my Favorites, the color is just Phenomenal:
Bonus spelling Error on the label:
Nice Obv/Rev set:
Just got this one, Superb Orange Color:
Exceptional Luster:
Mr CTF, I recently had to do an Eeny, meeny, miny, moe between your 1976 50C Kennedy Bicentennial 45% Curved Clip and your 1976 25C Washington Bicentennial Missing Reverse Clad Layer, as they were equally priced...as you can see from my Avatar...Kennedy won, lol Thanks Chris!
Just purchased this from "cpm9ball":
My phone doesn't take great photos
Wow! Beautiful coin! Was this his signature coin?
Here's a 2023-D w/ partial missing clad reverse defective planchet, weight of 1.96 grams
Thank you Zoins! Not sure about it being his Signature piece but I think it's a favorite for sure, as he speaks about it often. The history on it was that he found it in a $100 Mixed Kennedy Bag that was released in 2004. I have seen it many times in different forums and Had to have it. I posted a few threads asking if anyone knew him as he wasn't around for a time, and sure enough, he's quite the popular fellow and someone responded and forwarded my info to him. After conversing with him I realized why he's so liked! I made him a competitive offer for the piece and it was a mutual Deal! It's in my top 5 Favorite Missing Clad Layer pieces for sure!
Here is a Much better quality photo of the piece, showing its original mint luster in all it's glory:
goodmoney4badmoney, that is a very cool piece!
Great coin @goodmoney4badmoney! I'm a fan of these partial missing layers too!
Here's one from Chris:
Not 100% sure. Missing clad layer or thin planchet? He is way light!!
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Yes, looks like a genuine, missing clad layer error!