The Missing Clad Layer Thread
Zoins
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Missing clad layers have always fascinated me due to the look. For many years, I only admired them from a far but I have a couple now.
Here's one 
Anyone else collect or admire these?
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Absolutely, I love thiese as they are so visually different than a normal clad coin.
Now these werc for me. Nice pics all
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Here's another JFK of mine. One for each side
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Too bad about the bicentennial quarter having some damage @ErrorsOnCoins
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You mean this? Is it damage or a defective planchet?
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@Oakstar yes that. It looks like damage to me. Still a pretty coin thou. Ive always liked missing clad layer coins.
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@gumby1234- Yes, it is a nice looking coin. I'm not sure what it is either. If it is a hit or damage, I don't see evidence of it on the Obv side. Unless I'm missing it.
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I didn't buy this. I found it recently. Although, I did pay for the attribution and grading.
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The coin is not damaged as the blank looked that way before striking like a defective planchet.
Nice find @OAKSTAR . Not as striking visually as a copper/ nickel clad, but cool anyways. Too bad its not the long ray.
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Thanks @gumby1234
We should have known EOC bicentennial quarter wasn't damaged. He probably throws the damaged ones back! 😂 🤣
Hey @ErrorsOnCoins- Don't they normally put the weights of the missing clad layer coins on the slabs?
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I received this MS65 from @ErrorOnCoins. Beautiful coin!
Sometimes they do, sometimes the are lazy.
Maybe NGC puts the weight on their slabs and PCGS doesn't.
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Wow, that seems to be the case.
This one certainly should have the weight.
Calling @FredWeinberg and @SullivanNumismatics
jt- Let's see the slab.
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I like the tree in red.
Hmmmm, no weight.
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Lot of them don’t have weight on the label
This one is copperwash
Ngc does put in the weight
Easy way to tell heads or tails too.
What is amiss on the obverse?
I wonder if the US Mint would save money having dimes and quarters for circulation in pure copper rather than the clad composition? They don't look bad in pure copper and there's no more need to have the coins resemble silver as that era has long passed.
This one is struck on a defective planchet, as stated on the PCGS holder. A double error as a missing clad layer and also defective clad layer, the latter having the effect of making the coin thin in the 5-10 o'clock areas.
Likely, this was at the end of the planchet strip, and the (no present) outer nickel clad layer on what is the obverse side "ran out", being shorter than the copper later and the nickel layers under it. That is also why the coin's copper layer gradually gets thinner (it was approaching the end of the strip.)
I have not actually seen a missing clad layer - in hand, that is.. Pictures here, and years ago at a coin show in the PNW. They would really stand out if in change or a roll/bag of coins. Cheers, RickO
Great thread @Zoins
thanks
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Great answer Jon! Nice explanation about why missing clad layers happen at the end of a strip and the copper core getting thinner.
One of the items being discussed on this thread is the usefulness of adding the weight to the inserts. Is this something possible for PCGS to add?
I've seen several 1968-D Roosies missing a clad layer. Used to have a graded example.
My War Nickels https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/nickels/jefferson-nickels-specialty-sets/jefferson-nickels-fs-basic-war-set-circulation-strikes-1942-1945/publishedset/94452
I know. But they should, don't you think?
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Yes I agree with you PCGS should put the weight info on the label.
Picked this up last week
With the inserts, there is only limited space, and so it has to be carefully utilized with the best descriptive information. I always try to add as much useful information as possible to the coins. If the coin has a "normal" weight as a MCL or particular error type (cent on dime planchet that is normal weight for a dime), I typically don't add the weight, but it its off or could be helpful, I try to add it.
I agree with Jon. Space is probably limited on the labels. However, if I could make this work, I'm sure they could. I think it might be more about the TPG'ers trying to be unique in their own way and trying not to copy each other. For example; I think NGC uses speared eagle and PCGS uses wounded eagle.
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is this coin for sale?
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For many years PCGS didn't even use the second line you modified and we only had the one top line for a description. I've always wondered why they are so strange about the error labels, just make the font smaller!
I'd love to know too! It's an amazing coin! I love how it's mostly, but not all copper, to show that it's a missing layer.
I think it could be the most eye appealing bat coin I've seen so far.
It's not for sale. I think Errors tried to purchase it before I even had it graded. It's probably my favorite coin. Thanks!
Good to know and congrats. It's cool that you got it raw. Out of curiosity, did you find it or buy it?
And it's definitely worthy of being a favorite!