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ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

Missing clad layers have always fascinated me due to the look. For many years, I only admired them from a far but I have a couple now.

Here's one :)

Anyone else collect or admire these?

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now these werc for me. Nice pics all

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too bad about the bicentennial quarter having some damage @ErrorsOnCoins

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Too bad about the bicentennial quarter having some damage @ErrorsOnCoins

    You mean this? Is it damage or a defective planchet?

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 3:14PM

    @Oakstar yes that. It looks like damage to me. Still a pretty coin thou. Ive always liked missing clad layer coins.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234- Yes, it is a nice looking coin. I'm not sure what it is either. If it is a hit or damage, I don't see evidence of it on the Obv side. Unless I'm missing it.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice find @OAKSTAR . Not as striking visually as a copper/ nickel clad, but cool anyways. Too bad its not the long ray.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 3:45PM

    Thanks @gumby1234

    We should have known EOC bicentennial quarter wasn't damaged. He probably throws the damaged ones back! 😂 🤣

    Hey @ErrorsOnCoins- Don't they normally put the weights of the missing clad layer coins on the slabs?

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 3:58PM

    Maybe NGC puts the weight on their slabs and PCGS doesn't.

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Maybe NGC puts the weight on their slabs and PCGS doesn't.

    Wow, that seems to be the case.

    This one certainly should have the weight.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Maybe NGC puts the weight on their slabs and PCGS doesn't.

    Wow, that seems to be the case.

    This one certainly should have the weight.

    Calling @FredWeinberg and @SullivanNumismatics :)

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    jt- Let's see the slab.

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    jt88jt88 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmmm, no weight.

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    jt88jt88 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lot of them don’t have weight on the label

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    jt88jt88 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is copperwash

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    jt88jt88 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2022 10:16PM

    Ngc does put in the weight

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Missing clad layers have always fascinated me due to the look. For many years, I only admired them from a far but I have a couple now.

    Here's one :)

    Anyone else collect or admire these?

    Easy way to tell heads or tails too.

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jt88 said:
    I like the tree in red.

    What is amiss on the obverse?

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    olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 694 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 19, 2022 5:44AM

    I wonder if the US Mint would save money having dimes and quarters for circulation in pure copper rather than the clad composition? They don't look bad in pure copper and there's no more need to have the coins resemble silver as that era has long passed.

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    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Maybe NGC puts the weight on their slabs and PCGS doesn't.

    Wow, that seems to be the case.

    This one certainly should have the weight.

    Calling @FredWeinberg and @SullivanNumismatics :)

    This one is struck on a defective planchet, as stated on the PCGS holder. A double error as a missing clad layer and also defective clad layer, the latter having the effect of making the coin thin in the 5-10 o'clock areas.

    Likely, this was at the end of the planchet strip, and the (no present) outer nickel clad layer on what is the obverse side "ran out", being shorter than the copper later and the nickel layers under it. That is also why the coin's copper layer gradually gets thinner (it was approaching the end of the strip.)

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have not actually seen a missing clad layer - in hand, that is.. Pictures here, and years ago at a coin show in the PNW. They would really stand out if in change or a roll/bag of coins. Cheers, RickO

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great thread @Zoins
    thanks

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,863 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 19, 2022 8:12AM

    @SullivanNumismatics said:

    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Maybe NGC puts the weight on their slabs and PCGS doesn't.

    Wow, that seems to be the case.

    This one certainly should have the weight.

    Calling @FredWeinberg and @SullivanNumismatics :)

    This one is struck on a defective planchet, as stated on the PCGS holder. A double error as a missing clad layer and also defective clad layer, the latter having the effect of making the coin thin in the 5-10 o'clock areas.

    Likely, this was at the end of the planchet strip, and the (no present) outer nickel clad layer on what is the obverse side "ran out", being shorter than the copper later and the nickel layers under it. That is also why the coin's copper layer gradually gets thinner (it was approaching the end of the strip.)

    Great answer Jon! Nice explanation about why missing clad layers happen at the end of a strip and the copper core getting thinner.

    One of the items being discussed on this thread is the usefulness of adding the weight to the inserts. Is this something possible for PCGS to add?

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    toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I've seen several 1968-D Roosies missing a clad layer. Used to have a graded example.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jt88 said:
    Lot of them don’t have weight on the label

    I know. But they should, don't you think?

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    jt88jt88 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes I agree with you PCGS should put the weight info on the label.

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    fnettyfnetty Posts: 32 ✭✭✭

    Picked this up last week

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    @Zoins said:

    @SullivanNumismatics said:

    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Maybe NGC puts the weight on their slabs and PCGS doesn't.

    Wow, that seems to be the case.

    This one certainly should have the weight.

    Calling @FredWeinberg and @SullivanNumismatics :)

    This one is struck on a defective planchet, as stated on the PCGS holder. A double error as a missing clad layer and also defective clad layer, the latter having the effect of making the coin thin in the 5-10 o'clock areas.

    Likely, this was at the end of the planchet strip, and the (no present) outer nickel clad layer on what is the obverse side "ran out", being shorter than the copper later and the nickel layers under it. That is also why the coin's copper layer gradually gets thinner (it was approaching the end of the strip.)

    Great answer Jon! Nice explanation about why missing clad layers happen at the end of a strip and the copper core getting thinner.

    One of the items being discussed on this thread is the usefulness of adding the weight to the inserts. Is this something possible for PCGS to add?

    With the inserts, there is only limited space, and so it has to be carefully utilized with the best descriptive information. I always try to add as much useful information as possible to the coins. If the coin has a "normal" weight as a MCL or particular error type (cent on dime planchet that is normal weight for a dime), I typically don't add the weight, but it its off or could be helpful, I try to add it.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with Jon. Space is probably limited on the labels. However, if I could make this work, I'm sure they could. I think it might be more about the TPG'ers trying to be unique in their own way and trying not to copy each other. For example; I think NGC uses speared eagle and PCGS uses wounded eagle.

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tetromibi said:

    is this coin for sale?

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    goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    I agree with Jon. Space is probably limited on the labels. However, if I could make this work, I'm sure they could. I think it might be more about the TPG'ers trying to be unique in their own way and trying not to copy each other. For example; I think NGC uses speared eagle and PCGS uses wounded eagle.

    >

    For many years PCGS didn't even use the second line you modified and we only had the one top line for a description. I've always wondered why they are so strange about the error labels, just make the font smaller!

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,863 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2022 7:49PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Tetromibi said:

    is this coin for sale?

    I'd love to know too! It's an amazing coin! I love how it's mostly, but not all copper, to show that it's a missing layer.

    I think it could be the most eye appealing bat coin I've seen so far.

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    TetromibiTetromibi Posts: 944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Tetromibi said:

    is this coin for sale?

    I'd love to know too! It's an amazing coin! I love how it's mostly, but not all copper, to show that it's a missing layer.

    I think it could be the most eye appealing bat coin I've seen so far.

    It's not for sale. I think Errors tried to purchase it before I even had it graded. It's probably my favorite coin. Thanks!

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,863 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2022 7:34AM

    @Tetromibi said:

    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Tetromibi said:

    is this coin for sale?

    I'd love to know too! It's an amazing coin! I love how it's mostly, but not all copper, to show that it's a missing layer.

    I think it could be the most eye appealing bat coin I've seen so far.

    It's not for sale. I think Errors tried to purchase it before I even had it graded. It's probably my favorite coin. Thanks!

    Good to know and congrats. It's cool that you got it raw. Out of curiosity, did you find it or buy it?

    And it's definitely worthy of being a favorite!

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