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  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you keep it ? Very appealing !

    @seanq said:
    Here is an old pic of a dime struck on a planchet cut from the end of the strip, the copper core squeezed out from between the clad layers slightly.

    Sean Reynolds

  • jt88jt88 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
    1. Mule
    2. Two heads
    3. die cap brokage
    4. double or more struck with interesting pattern

  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Expand need/wants coinage errors struck on planet Earth and you'll have more variety to choose from.
    I went global 3 decades ago. There's some thought-provoking goodies out there, like veins of gold.

    @jt88 said:
    Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
    1. Mule
    2. Two heads
    3. die cap brokage
    4. double or more struck with interesting pattern

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LindyS said:
    Expand need/wants coinage errors struck on planet Earth and you'll have more variety to choose from.
    I went global 3 decades ago. There's some thought-provoking goodies out there, like veins of gold.

    @jt88 said:
    Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
    1. Mule
    2. Two heads
    3. die cap brokage
    4. double or more struck with interesting pattern

    I agree, I have purchased some wild foreign errors for a fraction of what they would cost if struck in the US. Same with varieties, if you like doubled dies or overdates that you can see with the naked eye, there are some very affordable options if you venture out of the US.

    Sean Reynolds

    P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,116 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @seanq said:

    @LindyS said:
    Expand need/wants coinage errors struck on planet Earth and you'll have more variety to choose from.
    I went global 3 decades ago. There's some thought-provoking goodies out there, like veins of gold.

    @jt88 said:
    Looks like more and more people are interested in Mint Error coins, maybe Zoins can start a new thread to discuss what error pattern is more rare and more valuable. For me I think the followings would be more rare and more valuable.
    1. Mule
    2. Two heads
    3. die cap brokage
    4. double or more struck with interesting pattern

    I agree, I have purchased some wild foreign errors for a fraction of what they would cost if struck in the US. Same with varieties, if you like doubled dies or overdates that you can see with the naked eye, there are some very affordable options if you venture out of the US.

    Sean Reynolds

    P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.

    Agree there are some wild, well priced international errors. The question to me is how to create this market? :)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2022 7:59PM

    I pulled out the slabs for my 2 JFK MCLs and found something very interesting!

    One has the weight and one doesn't. The one that doesn't have it has space for it as seen in comparison to the one with the weight.

    They are also both in Gen 6 slabs.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    I pulled out the slabs for my 2 JFK MCLs and found something very interesting!

    One has the weight and one doesn't. The one that doesn't have it has space for it as seen in comparison to the one with the weight.

    They are also both in Gen 6 slabs.

    Bingo!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins- Just for the hell of it, weigh each slab. What does it say?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.

    Found the dime I originally posted above, here are bigger pics.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thats so interesting, never seen anything like it. What does it weigh ?
    >

    @seanq said:

    P.S.: @LindyS , pretty sure I still have that dime, if I get time over the holidays, I'll look for it and post better pics.

    Found the dime I originally posted above, here are bigger pics.

    Sean Reynolds

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LindyS said:
    Thats so interesting, never seen anything like it. What does it weigh ?
    >

    Weighs just a hair under 2.1g, compared to a spec of 2.27g.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SullivanNumismatics

    Really nice article Jon . Thanks!

    Plenty of room on these slabs for weight.......no? What's your personal and professional opinion on the matter?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2023 2:19PM

    My Lucky Post Number 888.

    Took me 6 years and one Day to achieve this milestone.

    Accidentally posted a period:

    .

    Oops.

    Happy Wednesday !

    ;^)

    Lindy

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So looking through this thread I wondered, are there any examples where a coin was struck with a weakly attached clad layer. Then after striking the clad layer detached or fell off? Could this be identified because the now missing clad layer side would have a weak soft strike as it was under the loose clad layer during striking. Just one of those strange thoughts that come across sometimes.

    Perhaps even the other piece, a clad layer that detached after striking?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
    .
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed

    RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lilolme said:
    So looking through this thread I wondered, are there any examples where a coin was struck with a weakly attached clad layer. Then after striking the clad layer detached or fell off? Could this be identified because the now missing clad layer side would have a weak soft strike as it was under the loose clad layer during striking. Just one of those strange thoughts that come across sometimes.

    Perhaps even the other piece, a clad layer that detached after striking?

    Yes this has happened. I have a clad layer that was struck and then detached.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2023 4:31PM

    @gumby1234 said:

    @lilolme said:
    So looking through this thread I wondered, are there any examples where a coin was struck with a weakly attached clad layer. Then after striking the clad layer detached or fell off? Could this be identified because the now missing clad layer side would have a weak soft strike as it was under the loose clad layer during striking. Just one of those strange thoughts that come across sometimes.

    Perhaps even the other piece, a clad layer that detached after striking?

    Yes this has happened. I have a clad layer that was struck and then detached.

    Thanks
    That would probably be fairly cool looking.

    Edit - I will check out the thread.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
    .
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed

    RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,116 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a great coin from the Blue Angel Collection.

    Don't see too many Ikes missing clad layers!

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/-/a/1251-11905.s

  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Zoins, pounds of errors are flowing thru Heritage last 12 months.

    Took several sales so far to disperse this huge error hoard.

    Here's a favorite that I already own as its one of two known. Went 3 to 4 k below what I would value it at. Any clue from the listing it is struck on aluminum ? I wonder if that fact alone would have amped up the final hammer ? Somebody got a killer deal.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1976-25c-clad-washington-quarter-struck-on-a-philippine-1s-planchet-12g-ms65-ngc-from-the-blue-angel-collection-of-bi/a/1251-11886.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2023 7:33PM

    @LindyS said:
    Zoins, pounds of errors are flowing thru Heritage last 12 months.

    Took several sales so far to disperse this huge error hoard.

    Here's a favorite that I already own as its one of two known. Went 3 to 4 k below what I would value it at. Any clue from the listing it is struck on aluminum ? I wonder if that fact alone would have amped up the final hammer ? Somebody got a killer deal.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1976-25c-clad-washington-quarter-struck-on-a-philippine-1s-planchet-12g-ms65-ngc-from-the-blue-angel-collection-of-bi/a/1251-11886.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115

    It seems like it would be first useful to identify the intended coin for the planchet, which I haven't been able to do yet. NGC says "1S", which seems like it could mean 1 Sentimo, but a 1976 1 Sentimo coin is squareish. They did become round in 1983 but at 15.5mm it seems too small so being struck on a 1 Sentimo is a mystery.

    Here's what one looks like, courtesy of International Coin Shop.

    Numista has a list of Philippine coins here:

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/philippines-6.html#c_philippines151

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,382 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tetromibi said:

    Awesome. Imagine if it was a W.

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • ByersByers Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LindyS

    Yes, a few mint error coins have passed thru Heritage Auctions recently.😉

    mikebyers.com Dealer in Major Mint Errors, Die Trials & Patterns - Author of NLG Best World Coin Book World's Greatest Mint Errors - Publisher & Editor of minterrornews.com.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,116 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Byers said:
    LindyS

    Yes, a few mint error coins have passed thru Heritage Auctions recently.😉

    I like how Heritage makes it easy to trace coins to a collection, like this link to the 35 coins in the Blue Angel Collection :+1:

    https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=3183+790+231+4294950916+4294950490

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