GTG -- 1872 1c: GRADE REVEALED

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Avocet
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edited June 27, 2022 2:55PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Another Guess-the-Grade. 1872 1c -- what do you think?!

Thanks for taking a look-- I will post the answer in 48 hours... :)

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  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    XF details cleaned would be my guess.

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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF details. Surfaces don't look original. Possibly lightly burnished.

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  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks original to me, albeit with an overall weak strike.
    Also guessing this date gets a little leeway. I'm at VF35, but an XF40 grade wouldn't shock me.

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  • jclovescoins
    jclovescoins Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    35

  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2022 2:25PM
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    20 with a chance at details

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  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm at VF30/35. I think it's weakly struck. This date is surprisingly difficult to find nice. I like it!

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  • amwldcoin
    amwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    20 -25, especially if I'm buying!

  • relicsncoins
    relicsncoins Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think it's straight graded at VF30.

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  • Omegaraptor
    Omegaraptor Posts: 541 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    35 typical weak strike

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  • DollarAfterDollar
    DollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF 35

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  • 2windy2fish
    2windy2fish Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    20

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would say 30-35.... Nice old IHC that has seen some commerce. Cheers, RickO

  • erwindoc
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    Id be at 30 on this one

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The coin looks approximately VF30 to me and I don’t see any indication of cleaning/burnishing that a couple of people mentioned.

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  • Smudge
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    25.

  • DRUNNER
    DRUNNER Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I could see this as a VF35 / XF40 easily. I have several in the same category . . . . . .

  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My first thought is VF25 maybe, with a slight concern for the corrosion at the first S in STATES


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  • fathom
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    35

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 26, 2022 12:22PM
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    Weakly struck VF-30. This date can come mushy, but more often on the reverse in the shield area.

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  • No Headlights
    No Headlights Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF 30. Nice look.

  • asheland
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    I’ve seen the coin in person, so I won’t guess here. B)

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  • logger7
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    Not a series I know well enough, possibly xf.

  • jedm
    jedm Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    VF-20 I just don' see it as having a higher grade.

  • TPRC
    TPRC Posts: 3,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    30

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  • Avocet
    Avocet Posts: 275 ✭✭✭✭
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    Here is the PCGS grade:

    I have had this coin for a long time and recently sent it to PCGS for grading. My submission was large, and this coin was the only one in the submission that caught me off guard. Part of the fun of this hobby for me is the process of grading and studying the features that reveal the coin’s history, such as cleaning. Perhaps the key for this coin is close inspection under good lighting and magnification. Some parallel lines in the fields on the reverse, for example, may be remnants of prior cleaning. I have liked this coin for a long time and am pleased to have it in my collection.

    Thanks to everyone for taking a look! :)

  • jclovescoins
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    @Avocet said:
    Here is the PCGS grade:

    I have had this coin for a long time and recently sent it to PCGS for grading. My submission was large, and this coin was the only one in the submission that caught me off guard. Part of the fun of this hobby for me is the process of grading and studying the features that reveal the coin’s history, such as cleaning. Perhaps the key for this coin is close inspection under good lighting and magnification. Some parallel lines in the fields on the reverse, for example, may be remnants of prior cleaning. I have liked this coin for a long time and am pleased to have it in my collection.

    Thanks to everyone for taking a look! :)

    It looks a lot different in this pic imho

  • MFeld
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    @jclovescoins said:

    @Avocet said:
    Here is the PCGS grade:

    I have had this coin for a long time and recently sent it to PCGS for grading. My submission was large, and this coin was the only one in the submission that caught me off guard. Part of the fun of this hobby for me is the process of grading and studying the features that reveal the coin’s history, such as cleaning. Perhaps the key for this coin is close inspection under good lighting and magnification. Some parallel lines in the fields on the reverse, for example, may be remnants of prior cleaning. I have liked this coin for a long time and am pleased to have it in my collection.

    Thanks to everyone for taking a look! :)

    It looks a lot different in this pic imho

    It does, but based on just the additional obverse image, I still can’t tell that the coin has been cleaned.

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  • DisneyFan
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    Another reason to buy TPG coins.

  • logger7
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    In the holder pics explain a lot, the tv images make it look a lot better.

  • MFeld
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    @logger7 said:
    In the holder pics explain a lot, the tv images make it look a lot better.

    What do the holder pics explain to you? To me, the coin looks like a straight grade VF in both sets of images (though I didn’t see a slab-shot of the reverse).

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  • jughead1893
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    I was at 25 and I didnt think it was cleaned.Maybe the fields inside the wreath gave them concern? It looks like a nice vf to me !

  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Based on what I can see and what other knowledgeable people are seeing, I’m guessing this is a coin that could straight grade if resubmitted some day.

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  • logger7
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    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:
    In the holder pics explain a lot, the tv images make it look a lot better.

    What do the holder pics explain to you? To me, the coin looks like a straight grade VF in both sets of images (though I didn’t see a slab-shot of the reverse).

    TV images to me anyway look like the coin lost some of the original chiseled features through mistreatment. I'll defer of course to the experts who have seen far more of these than I have.

  • gumby1234
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    I thought it might make XF, my first thoughts were this cent was cleaned.

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  • lkenefic
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    I didnt see anything from the images that would lead me to think the coin had been cleaned... but we don't have the coin "in hand" either. I wonder if this is one of those pieces that would ultimately straight grade if resubmitted...

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  • TwoSides2aCoin
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    @DisneyFan said:
    Another reason to buy TPG coins.

    Looks like a TPG coin to me. The OP has liked it raw for longer than PCGS didn't like it.

  • DisneyFan
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    @TwoSides2aCoin said:

    @DisneyFan said:
    Another reason to buy TPG coins.

    Looks like a TPG coin to me. The OP has liked it raw for longer than PCGS didn't like it.

    It's good that the OP still likes the coin after it was graded. It's a good date. I would be disappointed. Of course, if the original cost was nominal and the coin brings back happy memories, then no harm in having the coin determined to be "Cleaned - VF Details."

  • Avocet
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    Thanks for these comments.

    The slab photo was made with my iPhone, and I think my image is suboptimal. I was impressed with the True View quality, and I do not believe I could do better. While I like this coin quite a bit, I admit I was sad to see the grade result. This result caught me by surprise; my gut feeling is that a re-submit might lead to different results someday. I enjoy the art of grading and the uncertainty that goes along with it— it's part of our hobby. I agree with the comments about in-hand inspections, and my friend @asheland has had a chance to do this— I have tagged him on this post to see if he can weigh in also.

  • DisneyFan
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    @Avocet said:

    I enjoy the art of grading and the uncertainty that goes along with it— it's part of our hobby.

    Personally I think grading is very difficult. I've put together a group of coins in the MS64 to 66 range from a set and really find it difficult to say which grade each one should be on my own. Some do stand out; but, most do not. They are all nice coins. However, I think grading is easier in the lower grades.

  • asheland
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    Having seen it in person, it looks straight grade to me. If truly cleaned, it’s very subtle.

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