1853-O Arrows and Rays Half - GTG! Grade Revealed in Thread!

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scotty4449
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edited April 17, 2022 12:21PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Crossed this not long ago. Let me know what you think and guess the grade! Thanks for participating!

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    55+

    nice branch mint pre-civil war half :+1:

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  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very nice
    I'm giving it a
    MS62

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  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 15, 2022 5:56PM
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    63, with a shot at 62.

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  • Desert Moon
    Desert Moon Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

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  • Flatwoods
    Flatwoods Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm at 63 too.
    It's very clean. I just don't see enough luster for a higher grade.
    It could be there but I can't see it in the pics

  • Dave99B
    Dave99B Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thought it was a 58 at first, but zooming in ... maybe it is Unc ... 62 if so.


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  • JohnnyCache
    JohnnyCache Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I feel a 63, but without much luster showing to me in the photo, I couldn't see higher.
    Jim


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  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62

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  • LJenkins11
    LJenkins11 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58. Nice coin

  • fathom
    fathom Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

  • Kliao
    Kliao Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 really nice seated half.

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Tough and great type. Probably not enough pizzaz for MS63, but could be.

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’m thinking it’s a 58

    Mr_Spud

  • Catbert
    Catbert Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • Dug13
    Dug13 Posts: 340 ✭✭✭✭
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    It’s a ‘53 in AU-53.

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  • NumisOxide
    NumisOxide Posts: 11,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU58
    MS62 if it has luster

  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm guessing 58

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  • Barberian
    Barberian Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My guess - MS63.

  • MWallace
    MWallace Posts: 4,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No guess but that is gorgeous. I've gotta get one one day.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would say MS62.... I like that coin - and an O mint mark... almost feel like it is a relative. ;):D Cheers, RickO

  • ThreeCentSilverFL
    ThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very nice. 62

  • DelawareDoons
    DelawareDoons Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

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  • lkenefic
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    MS63... very nice!

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  • oldabeintx
    oldabeintx Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I won't try. Bought a 45 that I though was a lock at 50-55 but it didn't even bean as a 45.

    Well, ok. 62+

  • jayPem
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    First impression 62... easily could be any other grade though in different light 🤤

    Interesting around the upper left stars and Half, some kind of doubling?

  • Catbert
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    @jayPem said:
    First impression 62... easily could be any other grade though in different light 🤤

    Interesting around the upper left stars and Half, some kind of doubling?

    Shelf doubling. Common for this type. :)

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  • steelielee
    steelielee Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭
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    63 camp.

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  • Soldi
    Soldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice coin 63

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1. I would guess 58, but I keep getting burned doing that.
  • cameonut2011
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    I’m not sure if it is toning or friction on the breast. If the former, 63. If rub, 58.

  • Batman23
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    My first impression was 58 because of the lack of luster in the obverse fields. But I am not seeing the wear on the highpoints. Put me in with the MS63 group.

  • 291fifth
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    1. I think there is more going on in the fields than is obvious from the photo. Appears rather bland, possibly from a long ago dipping.
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  • BillJones
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    I'd go MS-62. At first I thought MS-63, but the subdued luster usually gets the coin knocked down.

    I like the piece BTW.

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  • kaz
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    I don't see any wear, so I'll go with 62, due to a fair amount of light marks, and the luster looking sort of flat.

  • MFeld
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    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    I don’t see any wear on the coin and like it a lot at either of those two grades.

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    as the person that went 55+, i will add that i wouldn't have been surprised by 61 but 62 would have been too much. what is hard to see with this coin, w/o magnification and/or looking at the larger size TV, is that the coins has a LOT of contact marks, small scratches etc indicating it has banged around inside something for a while. i'm not saying it is a bad coin at all, just why i chose essentially a lower grade than anyone else but it is ok at 58 as well though i doubt it would cac at that unless they just really like nice seated coins there and give it a slight pass due to age (which it may as well deserve, ESPECIALLY as a pre-civil war branch mint coin)

    please update the title in the future.i was wringing my hands in anticipation until i just looked through the posts to find your grade. no biggie but had to ask. :)

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    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    please update the title in the future.i was wringing my hands in anticipation until i just looked through the posts to find your grade. no biggie but had to ask. :)

    Good idea, done!

  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @scotty4449 said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    please update the title in the future.i was wringing my hands in anticipation until i just looked through the posts to find your grade. no biggie but had to ask. :)

    Good idea, done!

    saahhhweeet!

    i look forward to the next!

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  • jayPem
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    Too nice for 61!
    Thus all the 62 guesses 😅

  • alaura22
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    @MFeld said:

    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    I don’t see any wear on the coin and like it a lot at either of those two grades.

    If you don't see any wear why would you say you like it at either grade?

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  • MFeld
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    @alaura22 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    I don’t see any wear on the coin and like it a lot at either of those two grades.

    If you don't see any wear why would you say you like it at either grade?

    Because it’s a nice looking coin, regardless of the assigned grade. Maybe I should have said I like it a lot as a 61 and love it as a 58.

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  • alaura22
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    Can't be both an uncirculated coin in an uncirculated holder OR a circulated coin in a AU holder, Shouldn't be both.
    I'm sure a MS65 would really look great in an AU holder as well.

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  • NumisOxide
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    It's a very nice slider!

  • oih82w8
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    Nice coin, great grade!

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