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1853-O Arrows and Rays Half - GTG! Grade Revealed in Thread!

scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 17, 2022 11:21AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Crossed this not long ago. Let me know what you think and guess the grade! Thanks for participating!

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55+

    nice branch mint pre-civil war half :+1:

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice
    I'm giving it a
    MS62

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 15, 2022 4:56PM

    63, with a shot at 62.

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  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm at 63 too.
    It's very clean. I just don't see enough luster for a higher grade.
    It could be there but I can't see it in the pics

  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thought it was a 58 at first, but zooming in ... maybe it is Unc ... 62 if so.


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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel a 63, but without much luster showing to me in the photo, I couldn't see higher.
    Jim


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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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  • LJenkins11LJenkins11 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58. Nice coin

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 really nice seated half.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,684 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tough and great type. Probably not enough pizzaz for MS63, but could be.

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m thinking it’s a 58

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • Dug13Dug13 Posts: 273 ✭✭✭

    It’s a ‘53 in AU-53.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58
    MS62 if it has luster

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm guessing 58

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess - MS63.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No guess but that is gorgeous. I've gotta get one one day.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say MS62.... I like that coin - and an O mint mark... almost feel like it is a relative. ;):D Cheers, RickO

  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice. 62

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63... very nice!

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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I won't try. Bought a 45 that I though was a lock at 50-55 but it didn't even bean as a 45.

    Well, ok. 62+

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First impression 62... easily could be any other grade though in different light 🤤

    Interesting around the upper left stars and Half, some kind of doubling?

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jayPem said:
    First impression 62... easily could be any other grade though in different light 🤤

    Interesting around the upper left stars and Half, some kind of doubling?

    Shelf doubling. Common for this type. :)

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  • steelieleesteelielee Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭

    63 camp.

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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin 63

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. I would guess 58, but I keep getting burned doing that.
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m not sure if it is toning or friction on the breast. If the former, 63. If rub, 58.

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first impression was 58 because of the lack of luster in the obverse fields. But I am not seeing the wear on the highpoints. Put me in with the MS63 group.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. I think there is more going on in the fields than is obvious from the photo. Appears rather bland, possibly from a long ago dipping.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd go MS-62. At first I thought MS-63, but the subdued luster usually gets the coin knocked down.

    I like the piece BTW.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't see any wear, so I'll go with 62, due to a fair amount of light marks, and the luster looking sort of flat.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    I don’t see any wear on the coin and like it a lot at either of those two grades.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    as the person that went 55+, i will add that i wouldn't have been surprised by 61 but 62 would have been too much. what is hard to see with this coin, w/o magnification and/or looking at the larger size TV, is that the coins has a LOT of contact marks, small scratches etc indicating it has banged around inside something for a while. i'm not saying it is a bad coin at all, just why i chose essentially a lower grade than anyone else but it is ok at 58 as well though i doubt it would cac at that unless they just really like nice seated coins there and give it a slight pass due to age (which it may as well deserve, ESPECIALLY as a pre-civil war branch mint coin)

    please update the title in the future.i was wringing my hands in anticipation until i just looked through the posts to find your grade. no biggie but had to ask. :)

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  • scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    please update the title in the future.i was wringing my hands in anticipation until i just looked through the posts to find your grade. no biggie but had to ask. :)

    Good idea, done!

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @scotty4449 said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    please update the title in the future.i was wringing my hands in anticipation until i just looked through the posts to find your grade. no biggie but had to ask. :)

    Good idea, done!

    saahhhweeet!

    i look forward to the next!

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  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too nice for 61!
    Thus all the 62 guesses 😅

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    I don’t see any wear on the coin and like it a lot at either of those two grades.

    If you don't see any wear why would you say you like it at either grade?

    Mike
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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2022 2:05PM

    @alaura22 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @scotty4449 said:
    Thanks for all the great guesses! I bought this coin in an NGC MS61 holder and it crossed to PCGS AU58. I had expected PCGS would call it a 58, as the luster really is flat, but there isn't much of what I would consider wear either. I think this coin would bounce between 58 and 61 depending on who was looking at.

    Happy Easter!

    I don’t see any wear on the coin and like it a lot at either of those two grades.

    If you don't see any wear why would you say you like it at either grade?

    Because it’s a nice looking coin, regardless of the assigned grade. Maybe I should have said I like it a lot as a 61 and love it as a 58.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't be both an uncirculated coin in an uncirculated holder OR a circulated coin in a AU holder, Shouldn't be both.
    I'm sure a MS65 would really look great in an AU holder as well.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a very nice slider!

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin, great grade!

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