North/South/Central American Coins Thursday, let's see them!

TwoKopeiki · December 18, 2020 8:55AM

@Abuelo said:
@TwoKopeiki described? Looks like an I... nice.

Thanks. No, not described or previously cataloged.

JohnnyCache · December 23, 2020 11:30PM

Picked up this 1746 Mexican One Real the other day. I don't have it in hand yet but the seller's images were more than adequate to determine it's a rare variety. It is also a slight bump up from the one real I already had in my set.

TwoKopeiki · December 23, 2020 11:34PM

Congrats @JohnnyCache - nice catch!

JohnnyCache · December 23, 2020 11:54PM

@TwoKopeiki said:
Congrats @JohnnyCache - nice catch!

Thanks, it was fun to find.

Brad lists this variety as M1-46e in his guide book (previously unlisted) but then also notes on the previous page that this could be what Gilboy was calling M-1-18c in his book.

JohnnyCache · December 24, 2020 1:52PM

cecropiamoth · December 24, 2020 4:00PM

I know most aren't into what I'll call 'mid century modern' Mexico material, but I really dig the 5 Peso commemoratives of 1947-1959 and 10 Peso commemoratives of 1955-1960. While I'm sure there are a lot of coins out there yet to be graded, some of these are hard to find in top grades. Here are two recent 10 Peso NEWPS --

MS66+, PCGS top pop (1/0)

also MS66+, PCGS pop 1/1

Jeff

pruebas · December 24, 2020 9:12PM

@cecropiamoth said:
I know most aren't into what I'll call 'mid century modern' Mexico material, but I really dig the 5 Peso commemoratives of 1947-1959 and 10 Peso commemoratives of 1955-1960. While I'm sure there are a lot of coins out there yet to be graded, some of these are hard to find in top grades. Here are two recent 10 Peso NEWPS --

MS66+, PCGS top pop (1/0)

also MS66+, PCGS pop 1/1

@cecropiamoth those were the bullion coins of their day, so most have been mishandled or melted. Having them in those grades is quite a challenge (as is evident from the pops).

Weiss · December 25, 2020 9:16AM

@cecropiamoth said:
I know most aren't into what I'll call 'mid century modern' Mexico material, but I really dig the 5 Peso commemoratives of 1947-1959 and 10 Peso commemoratives of 1955-1960.

Jeff

Ditto. I think the big crown-sized, higher purity mid-century Mexican pieces are the bomb. And those two are exceptional. I've been lucky to get BU pieces at or near melt for many years now and have stacks of them.

Accidentally left my annual Xmas bonus for the crew at the local Mexican joint (a BU 1940s peso) at home when we were out running errands on Wednesday. So I stopped into the B&M just before close. All he had were libertads, which I reluctantly agreed to buy. Then he ran to the back and pulled this out and offered it to me at melt. Very cool die polish lines radiating up from behind the face on the front, and one of the deepest dish eagles on the reverse that I've ever seen in this typically hammered series. Love the depth of the curl behind his ear, too. The wife and kid decided on Chinese, so they add to the stack

bidask · December 25, 2020 9:42AM

Boosibri · December 25, 2020 10:03AM

@Abuelo said:
@Boosibri I think 58 was rather severe based on the pictures. Nice coin. Really nice.

Upgraded to PCGS 61

cecropiamoth · December 25, 2020 10:05AM

@Weiss

LOL, perhaps some Mexican on New Year's Eve mate?

All goofing around aside, nice 1948 5 Peso @ melt! I don't have stacks of them, but have a small cache of mostly the 1948-Mo .900 fine 5 pesos which are ubiquitous in dealer foreign silver bins. Also some of the .900 fine 1960-Mo 10 pesos although those aren't as commonly seen. Most are high AU coins or lower end uncs as to @pruebas point most have been pretty banged around pretty good over the years mostly being sold as bullion.

What the heck, let's extend Thursday into Christmas Day. Here are two of my favorites from the 5 peso commemorative series (1947-1959) --

MS67, pop 40/4 This one has some neat rim toning, there are usually blast white 67's available, most with those awesome die polish lines.

MS66, pop 76/3. Intense coin. I got this one on eBay from an Australian seller of all things. PCGS held the line on these at MS66 for a very long time. I think mine was a pop 66/0 at the time a 67 finally was graded. :'( There are now two 66+ coins also in the census.

Calling @Abuelo to perhaps show some of his 5 peso commemoratives which as a group are spectacular! That includes the 1959-Mo NGC graded Carranza.

Jeff

Abuelo · December 25, 2020 10:33AM

At the request of @cecropiamoth , who snipe those coins away from me on eBay here is a taste of these coins:

And as requested, last but not least... the Carranza coin:

cecropiamoth · December 25, 2020 10:55AM

Thanks @Abuelo !! Outstanding group!!

LOL...yes, we have done our share off beating each other up at auction!!! I still owe you a PM...try for tonight.

JJ

Weiss · December 25, 2020 11:39AM

@Abuelo , that set is stunning!

Congrats on the high end and pop top collections of these pieces, guys.

The problem with being a box of 20 collector is that I can only rationalize buying these pieces as "bullion"

But they can be awfully pretty bullion.

This one was toward the higher end of the pops when I got it several years back. Almost cameo black & white. But so many have been made in the last 8 or 10 years and I suspect there are several more uncirculated rolls out there.

pruebas · December 25, 2020 12:26PM

@Abuelo those are incredible! I can’t say I’ve ever seen them so mark-free. What a special group.

pruebas · December 25, 2020 12:33PM

@Weiss nice Olympic. Those and the Cuauhtémocs are generally available nicer. I think more care was taken in their manufacture as well.

pruebas · December 25, 2020 12:37PM

Anyone have a high-grade 1949 Onza? Those are also very tough.

I’ve got an older holder (non-prong) toned NGC MS65, but no photo of it to show.

Abuelo · December 25, 2020 12:38PM

@pruebas thank you. There are some pristine coins there.

Abuelo · December 25, 2020 12:39PM

@pruebas, I have but raw, and my photography abilities are depressing.

pruebas · December 25, 2020 12:45PM

@Abuelo said:
@pruebas, I have but raw, and my photography abilities are depressing.

New Years resolution for @Abuelo .... To get the rest of his high-grade moderns slabbed!

I’ve been pulling the nicer ones out of my bullion stash. So far, I’ve gotten (2) PCGS MS65 Ferrocarriles and a bunch of other moderns. I doubt any of the remaining Ferrocarriles will 65. Maybe 64, which is hardly worth slabbing.

Abuelo · December 25, 2020 1:43PM

@pruebas I am too lazy and I was thinking on a submission soon, but the postal service is misbehaving. I am waiting for a book from Sedwick mailed to me last month and several coins bought weeks ago and they are "in transit" not about to risk it now.

Abuelo · December 25, 2020 1:48PM

I noticed I left a few out, sorry, including the 1954 who is supposed to be the hardest one:

This 54 has a great tone and is a top pop on an old NGC holder:

All these 5 and 10 pesos are 65-68 and I think with great eye appeal.

Weiss · December 25, 2020 3:56PM

Guys! You know it's quantity, not quality. Right?

pruebas · December 25, 2020 4:25PM

@Weiss said:
Guys! You know it's quantity, not quality. Right?

OK then. I’ve got 5 PCGS boxes of raw Mexican crowns (~40-45 coins per box). But it’s mostly “junk silver” along with maybe 40 (raw but MS63-64) Ferrocarriles. I had a bunch of Caballitos in there too, but I’ve graded and auctioned them already. (I kept a gorgeous 1913 with PL obverse. PCGS 64+ but it looks nicer.)

Waiting for silver to hit $100 before I unload it all.

Here’s the Cab:

Weiss · December 25, 2020 4:36PM

That Cab is the bomb. I was one of the underbidders on the 1913 Cab on HA yesterday, as well as the 1921 2 peso and the MS66 Railroad 5 peso
I lost on all 15 bids I'd placed

pruebas · December 25, 2020 4:47PM

@Weiss said:
That Cab is the bomb. I was one of the underbidders on the 1913 Cab on HA yesterday, as well as the 1921 2 peso and the MS66 Railroad 5 peso
I lost on all 15 bids I'd placed

Those high-grade Cabs and railroads are doing very well lately! Sorry you lost out, but high prices bring out coins, so there will be more I’m sure.

My 1913/2 specimen is in the NYINC sale. It’s only a 64, but is a nice coin! (Shameless plug.)

The mid-century stuff doesn’t get any love, but they are tough as heck to find nice as @cecropiamoth and @Abuelo know well.

Abuelo · December 25, 2020 5:27PM

@pruebas a 1913/2 MS64 will likely attract a lot on interest. Good luck!

carabonnair · January 14, 2021 10:35PM

Here is a fairly common issue, but possibly a strike-through error on the reverse. What do you think?

Clio · January 15, 2021 5:13AM

I actually have a contribution though I am a day late.

TwoKopeiki · January 15, 2021 6:42AM

@Clio said:

I actually have a contribution though I am a day late.

I'm just shocked its not a Shilling

@carabonnair said:
Here is a fairly common issue, but possibly a strike-through error on the reverse. What do you think?

I assume you're talking about the flat spot on the obverse st 11 o'clock? Could be a strike through. Hard to tell without better images. I would be more concerned with what seems like PVC on the reverse. That green can seriously damage the surfaces and if I were you, I'd put that coin in acetone asap.

Clio · January 15, 2021 7:07AM

@TwoKopeiki said:
I'm just shocked its not a Shilling

It's the size of one

YQQ · January 15, 2021 9:00AM

Just to break the SA posts a bit
here is a 1953 Canadian nickel. It has an issue. But what is it?

YQQ · January 15, 2021 9:10AM

and here is another Dark side beauty

TwoKopeiki · January 15, 2021 10:12AM

@YQQ said:
Just to break the SA posts a bit
here is a 1953 Canadian nickel. It has an issue. But what is it?

Shoulder fold. Near leaf. Is it struck on a silver planchet?

Boosibri · January 15, 2021 10:19AM

YQQ · January 15, 2021 2:51PM

It is called Trail-dies and is an error
see better images

carabonnair · January 15, 2021 10:40PM

@carabonnair said:
Here is a fairly common issue, but possibly a strike-through error on the reverse. What do you think?

[pictures]

I assume you're talking about the flat spot on the obverse st 11 o'clock? Could be a strike through. Hard to tell without better images. I would be more concerned with what seems like PVC on the reverse. That green can seriously damage the surfaces and if I were you, I'd put that coin in acetone asap.

Thanks for your advice. Even though it's probably only worth $2, I gave it an acetone bath. Here's my attempt at better pictures:

Eddi · January 16, 2021 2:21AM

This is the only coin I managed to obtain from the Lissner sale. Peru 4 reales 1855 from the very short lived Pasco mint.

Eddi · January 16, 2021 2:24AM

A common but very nice 1/2 real 1855 from the Lima mint
(above: the example from the Lissner sale, below: my example)

Eddi · January 16, 2021 2:25AM

It seem my picture did not load? here it is again:

pruebas · January 21, 2021 7:34PM

Speaking of the Thursday thread.... It's Thursday! And I haven't posted anything here in a while.

If you have traveled to Mexico recently, you may remember the new mini stainless steel centavos coins. Since 2009, they have been made from the centers of the 1, 2, and 5 Peso coins to keep the costs down. (The centavos are almost worthless, so it's understandable they need to keep costs low in order to continue to mint them.)

Here are the 2008 patterns:

Edited to add: A Peso is worth about 5 US Cents. 10 Centavos would be worth one-half a US Cent.

Abuelo · January 21, 2021 7:41PM

@pruebas those coins should be discontinued.

Abuelo · January 21, 2021 7:48PM

Now that @pruebas opened the door for modern Mexican issues, here we go...

pruebas · January 21, 2021 7:51PM

@Abuelo said:
Now that @pruebas opened the door for modern Mexican issues, here we go...

Very high grade for the issue! Now you need to get all three varieties in equally high grade!

Abuelo · January 21, 2021 7:56PM

@pruebas only missing the high 77, but all the others are 67 and one 68.

ELuis · January 22, 2021 8:03AM

@pruebas said:
Speaking of the Thursday thread.... It's Thursday! And I haven't posted anything here in a while.

I still have a container (plastic bottle 4"x4"x6") filled with a lot of these coins, that I got as change, back on the years they started to circulate, many of the uncirculated ones, have given away for free, many people end up using these coins to fill albums.

i.e:
20 Pesos with Guadalupe Victoria - Bronze
100 Pesos with Carranza - Bronze 1988
5 Centavos Monograma - Bronze 1985
1 Peso Morelos - Nickel 1982
50 Centavos Benito Juarez - Nickel 1987
1 Peso 1986 with Morelos - Nickel smaller new design back on those days.

Among many others, one can sell these by the 'Kilo' - guess that it is time.

Boosibri · January 22, 2021 9:41AM

bidask · January 22, 2021 12:10PM

@Boosibri said:

you buy that heritage auction? nice

Boosibri · January 22, 2021 12:27PM

@bidask said:

@Boosibri said:

you buy that heritage auction? nice

yep!

BustDMs · January 22, 2021 6:39PM

An 8 reale from the Potosi scandal era that is full weight and uncountermarked for devaluation.

North/South/Central American Coins Thursday, let's see them!

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