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REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 11, 2021 2:38PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Some copper for a change... Guess the grade of this N-6 variety.


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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Technically a 64 with the look of a 63.

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    JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ironmanl63 said:
    Technically a 64 with the look of a 63.

    Couldn't agree more

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    truebloodtrueblood Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭

    I am in love with this example

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 7,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 RD/BN

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very lovely, I'll guess 64, though it's hard to tell the extent of that vertical mark on
    the cheek and behind the eye.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63RB

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65BN

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    clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63rb

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64RB

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021 10:24PM

    That mark behind the eye is telling me to go down a half point ... so 63RB

    Edited to revise ... I looked four more times. I think I was too low. 64RB or 64BN


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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-64 R&B

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    BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭

    64 BN

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I forgot to add BRN

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    scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 RB?

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NGC 65, PCGS 64. Both BN.

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 65 R/B.

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    jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64rb

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    goldengolden Posts: 10,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64BN.

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,914 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very pretty. I'll go with 64 RB.
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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does this change anyone's mind?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will say 64RB...but the spots on the reverse concern me for future degradation. Cheers, RickO

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @REALGATOR said:
    Does this change anyone's mind?

    I'll raise my 64RB guess to 64+RB

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I liked it as a 66 to begin with, problem was PCGS doesn't have any that high...
    66RB

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    Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am going conservative at 63, no opinion on BN vs RB

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought 66 RB first but then felt 65 RB would be more likely, not sure the mark on the coin would effect the grade so much. Very nice coin.
    Jim


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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WAG 65RB.

    I don't really know copper, but I like the look of it.

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    ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 or 64, nice looking copper.

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    FHCFHC Posts: 329 ✭✭✭

    63 RB

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    OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64RB but could also be 65 RB nice color

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    NicNic Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NGC 65 RB

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    mtnmanmtnman Posts: 576 ✭✭✭✭

    63+. R&B

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,426 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65 Brown

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bump from 63 to 64RB.

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 BN

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So here's the story: I bought the coin in an old SEGS holder graded MS63 BN. In hand I thought it sure looks properly graded.
    In fact there plenty of properly graded coins in SEGS holders.

    While this coin is not perfect, it looks darn good to me (and everyone else) for 200 year old copper. Well I cracked it out and the sad exception to our opinions occurred in the NGC grading room. So the next question is: What in the photos would leave you to believe this coin is improperly cleaned?

    Thanks for all of the opinions.


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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 7,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe they thought the roundish spots on the reverse and the outline in front of libertys head were some sort of residue from cleaning??? Just guessing

    Mr_Spud

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are you fricking kidding me! Crack & submit to PCGS this time. How the heck can that be? It's 204 years old, its been handled a little bit already. Man that makes me mad and its not even mine, arrrggghhh!

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    scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, that's a shame. I have gotten really good at spotting cleaned coins but I still sometimes get one back as details cleaned. I wish they would give a very brief description of what/where the cleaning is.

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was kind of wondering what caused the silhouette effect around Liberty. Maybe it's related to a cleaning? Since none of the experts on the board guessed Details, it would seem to merit another shot (or three) at grading. Best of luck!

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That grade actually does not surprise me. The look of the coin is somewhat off to me. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was straight graded. The look is not my cup of tea. Still a nice coin.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see where the red color starts and stops on face and on the left field etc. But that could have been unusual wear and tear or just rub. I'd too like to know how this assessment is made. I don't don't see no brillo marks.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Allan Robertson could have been using it as his ball marker, doesn't mean he cleaned it...

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    goldengolden Posts: 10,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Try at PCGS.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinscratchFever said:
    I can see where the red color starts and stops on face and on the left field etc. But that could have been unusual wear and tear or just rub. I'd too like to know how this assessment is made. I don't don't see no brillo marks.

    Far more times than not, cleaned coins don’t display “Brillo marks”. And often, they don’t even exhibit hairlines. It’s quite possible that those of us who thought it looked fine in the pictures would have a different opinion in-hand.

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is exactly why I find "unc details, cleaned" to be practically useless by itself in determining net grade/ value.

    There is for example unc details, cleaned net Fine because its harsh, and there is, like this coin, unc MS 64 details, maybe a little cleaned, maybe not, net unc one- point lower MS 63.. which is what it sounds like Segs did in the first place.

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    ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2021 4:13PM

    The reverse looks to show some sort of improper rinsing - style spotting.

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