GTG: 1817 Large Cent - Grade revealed

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REALGATOR
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edited January 11, 2021 2:38PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Some copper for a change... Guess the grade of this N-6 variety.


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  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Technically a 64 with the look of a 63.

  • JonBrand83
    JonBrand83 Posts: 490 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ironmanl63 said:
    Technically a 64 with the look of a 63.

    Couldn't agree more

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  • trueblood
    trueblood Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭
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    I am in love with this example

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63 RD/BN

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  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very lovely, I'll guess 64, though it's hard to tell the extent of that vertical mark on
    the cheek and behind the eye.

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63RB

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65BN

  • clarkbar04
    clarkbar04 Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63rb

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RB

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  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021 10:24PM
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    That mark behind the eye is telling me to go down a half point ... so 63RB

    Edited to revise ... I looked four more times. I think I was too low. 64RB or 64BN


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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-64 R&B

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  • BigMoose
    BigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
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    64 BN

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  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I forgot to add BRN

  • scotty4449
    scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 RB?

  • Catbert
    Catbert Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    NGC 65, PCGS 64. Both BN.

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  • DollarAfterDollar
    DollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS 65 R/B.

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  • jughead1893
    jughead1893 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64rb

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64BN.

  • Dave99B
    Dave99B Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

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  • lkeigwin
    lkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very pretty. I'll go with 64 RB.
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  • REALGATOR
    REALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Does this change anyone's mind?

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I will say 64RB...but the spots on the reverse concern me for future degradation. Cheers, RickO

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @REALGATOR said:
    Does this change anyone's mind?

    I'll raise my 64RB guess to 64+RB

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I liked it as a 66 to begin with, problem was PCGS doesn't have any that high...
    66RB

  • Desert Moon
    Desert Moon Posts: 6,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am going conservative at 63, no opinion on BN vs RB

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  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought 66 RB first but then felt 65 RB would be more likely, not sure the mark on the coin would effect the grade so much. Very nice coin.
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  • CoinJunkie
    CoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    WAG 65RB.

    I don't really know copper, but I like the look of it.

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  • ThreeCentSilverFL
    ThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62 or 64, nice looking copper.

  • FHC
    FHC Posts: 333 ✭✭✭
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    63 RB

  • OldIndianNutKase
    OldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64RB but could also be 65 RB nice color

  • Nic
    Nic Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    NGC 65 RB

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  • mtnman
    mtnman Posts: 576 ✭✭✭✭
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    63+. R&B

  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65 Brown

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Bump from 63 to 64RB.

  • Crypto
    Crypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64 BN

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  • REALGATOR
    REALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So here's the story: I bought the coin in an old SEGS holder graded MS63 BN. In hand I thought it sure looks properly graded.
    In fact there plenty of properly graded coins in SEGS holders.

    While this coin is not perfect, it looks darn good to me (and everyone else) for 200 year old copper. Well I cracked it out and the sad exception to our opinions occurred in the NGC grading room. So the next question is: What in the photos would leave you to believe this coin is improperly cleaned?

    Thanks for all of the opinions.


  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Maybe they thought the roundish spots on the reverse and the outline in front of libertys head were some sort of residue from cleaning??? Just guessing

    Mr_Spud

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Are you fricking kidding me! Crack & submit to PCGS this time. How the heck can that be? It's 204 years old, its been handled a little bit already. Man that makes me mad and its not even mine, arrrggghhh!

  • scotty4449
    scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yeah, that's a shame. I have gotten really good at spotting cleaned coins but I still sometimes get one back as details cleaned. I wish they would give a very brief description of what/where the cleaning is.

  • CoinJunkie
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    I was kind of wondering what caused the silhouette effect around Liberty. Maybe it's related to a cleaning? Since none of the experts on the board guessed Details, it would seem to merit another shot (or three) at grading. Best of luck!

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  • ironmanl63
    ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That grade actually does not surprise me. The look of the coin is somewhat off to me. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was straight graded. The look is not my cup of tea. Still a nice coin.

  • Coinscratch
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    I can see where the red color starts and stops on face and on the left field etc. But that could have been unusual wear and tear or just rub. I'd too like to know how this assessment is made. I don't don't see no brillo marks.

  • Coinscratch
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    Allan Robertson could have been using it as his ball marker, doesn't mean he cleaned it...

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Try at PCGS.

  • MFeld
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    @CoinscratchFever said:
    I can see where the red color starts and stops on face and on the left field etc. But that could have been unusual wear and tear or just rub. I'd too like to know how this assessment is made. I don't don't see no brillo marks.

    Far more times than not, cleaned coins don’t display “Brillo marks”. And often, they don’t even exhibit hairlines. It’s quite possible that those of us who thought it looked fine in the pictures would have a different opinion in-hand.

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  • Baley
    Baley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This is exactly why I find "unc details, cleaned" to be practically useless by itself in determining net grade/ value.

    There is for example unc details, cleaned net Fine because its harsh, and there is, like this coin, unc MS 64 details, maybe a little cleaned, maybe not, net unc one- point lower MS 63.. which is what it sounds like Segs did in the first place.

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  • ChangeInHistory
    ChangeInHistory Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2021 4:13PM
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    The reverse looks to show some sort of improper rinsing - style spotting.

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